So Musk can no longer support Democrats
He says they're now a party of division and hate. Who is he trying to fool. White/Republican/Christians are the most hateful group of people I've come across. Extremely angry at the world.
shareI think conservatives are more "in your face" full of hate, but liberals are very much more strategically full of hate.
shareIs this a joke? Did you forget to put an /s at the end?
How are conservatives “in your face”? And while I won’t deny liberals can be strategic with their hate, how can you say they weren’t very “in your face” with their clear hatred of straight white people? Or calling anyone they don’t agree with every “-ist” in the book?
By "in your face" I mean more obvious. Things like KKK and Muslim bans.
To get a better understanding of how I feel about liberal racism, check out my response on this thread I wrote yesterday:
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/62830d074af0052efa15515c/The-Stupidity-of-the-Left?reply=6285a6d6cab44414a2336798
Weren't/aren't the KKK the Democrats? Fact is islamic countries are extremely violent?
shareInitially yes, the KKK was formed by the Democrats.
shareThey KKK are still Leftists, even if Democrats currently and publicly denounce them. They can't get that POC vote if they admit they're still racists. Your post on liberal racism seems to be on the right track, but there's more to it.
I'm wondering what made you think conservatives in general are hateful, and obvious about it, when that actually applies to liberals. When they don't use the "is because" argument, they just outright say they hate white people, straight people, and/or men. In addition to that, they'll also hate on POCs and LGBTs that don't go with their narrative, and will even use slurs, despite pretending to champion for them because in the end, they're still the racist bigots they were centuries ago. They're just more "strategic" about it, sometimes.
they just outright say they hate white people, straight people, and/or men.
I don't think they outright say it. They use it by claiming historical contexts. So instead of saying they hate white people, they'll try to sugarcoat it by saying you can't be racist to white people because of slavery. They'll say they don't hate men, but instead will say men should be accountable for their actions. Both of those examples are generalizations, but they try to play it off as if they're doing the right thing.
Conservatives will show up to events with confederation flags. You have the KKK and groups like Proud Boys who will openly say racist things.
On the other hand, Antifa will claim that their violence is to stop Nazisim. I mean, even their name (anti-fascist) is worded in a way where if you are against them, then that means that you're pro-fascist. That's what I mean when I say they are more strategic with their racism and ignorance. share
I don't think they outright say it.
Oh they outright say it too. I've seen more than enough tweets and Facebook posts where they blatantly say they hate straight white people and want them to die. After years of claiming historical contexts and sugarcoating, they've stopped caring about nuance and bluntly admit their hatred.
Conservatives will show up to events with confederation flags. You have the KKK and groups like Proud Boys who will openly say racist things.
As we said before, the KKK are liberals, the confederates too. They just don't have the (open) support of the Democrats at this time. As for the Proud Boys, based on what I've read, they're an odd bunch to say the least, but their members are of different races and have mostly clashed with Antifa which, as you've admitted, isn't the virtuous group it claims to be. Saying that they're alt-right or racist is a stretch.
I won't pretend all conservatives are saints, but most if not all of the hatred and bigotry that keeps getting reported have come from liberals. As someone who's not straight or white, I'd rather live among conservatives than liberals. More often than not, I've seen conservatives show far more tolerance than liberals. share
I'm not American so maybe my experience is different than yours. American left and right wing politics are pretty crazy there.
share"the KKK are liberals, the confederates too"
lol completely ridiculous.
The KKK and Confederates are right-wing lunatics, just like the rest of the Democrats and Republicans. There is no left-wing party in the United States. The democrats possibly being slightly to the left of the Republican party does not make them left-wing, they are still right-wing lunatics.
Lol no bud, there are left and right wing parties. The republicans have become complacent spineless cowards who won’t stand up for themselves, which is probably why Trump was such a shock and wake-up call for them, an ex-democrat was able to be a better replican than they’ve been in decades. He was actually able to speak to and understand conservatives.
The democrats, however, and many of their liberal followers, have have completely lost their minds. They have no respect for history or science, and have gone so far to the left that even the KKK, confederates, and Nazis look right-wing in comparison. It’s no surprise that Trump switched over, he was fleeing a sinking ship.
Nothing you said disputed my point; the Democrat and Republican parties are both right-wing parties. This is not a subjective opinion.
Pretending to "Woke" does not make the democrats a left wing party. It makes them fools. Possibly bigger fools than republicans. Regardless, they are both very far right-wing parties.
Except disputed your point when I literally said the Dems and Libs “have gone so far to the left”, you can actually see it on TV and social media. They’ve tripled down on the socialist and divisive rhetoric, how much more left-wing do they need to be for you to see it?
Unless you have proof to the contrary, then as it stands, there is a left-wing (Democrat) and a right-wing (Republican) party. Their beliefs and practices are what set them apart, the difference between the two is night and day. This is not a subjective opinion.
Nope. Both parties are right wing. Democrats pretend to be left wing but they’re not. You saying they’re left-wing doesn’t make them left-wing. Words don’t make anyone or anything left-wing. Actions speak as louder than words, and their actions are right wing. Bill Clinton turned the democrat party into a right-wing party in the 90s with his right-wing policies like tough on crime 3 strikes BS and cutting social programs. The democrats have been right-wing ever since. The democrats are right-wing. ObamaCare, the ONLY thing democrats have been able to “get done” in the past 20 years, was a right-wing healthcare plan started by Richard Nixon and the heritage foundation.
The democrats are objectively a right-wing party.
Just because they MIGHT be to the left of the republicans does not make them left-wing.
The democrats are objectively a right-wing party.
Nope, Democrats are left-wing, everything from their beliefs to their practices to their rhetoric is undeniably left-wing. They've fully embraced socialism and even praised Castro when he died. If Obamacare was based on a conservative healthcare plan, it's no surprise that Democrats butchered it beyond recognition and forced its carcass onto American citizens since they never cared for people's health. You saying they're right-wing doesn't make them right-wing. They haven't changed much, if at all, since the Civil War, they've always created hate groups to keep the country divided. If anything about them changed, it's who they target for their hate. First it was blacks, now it's whites. First they hated women, now they hate men. First they hated gays, now they hate straights. First it was the KKK, now it's BLM, with Antifa added as a bonus. They've hated right-wingers for freeing their slaves and giving women rights, and they've tried to gaslight and censor them ever since. And now they're becoming more and more open about grooming children every year.
The democrats are objectively a left-wing party.
Just because Bill Clinton had one or two policies that MIGHT have been right-leaning, that does not make them right-wing.
The democrats are objectively a left-wing party.
There was nothing of substance in your reply. Repeating what I say like a complete fool does not support your baseless claims or arguments. It just proves you have no ground to stand and demonstrates your poor reasoning and critical thinking skills.
"everything from their beliefs to their practices to their rhetoric is undeniably left-wing." - I've already stated, words do not matter, actions do. Rhetoric does not make them left-wing, but their actions (read:policies) do make them right-wing.
"Obamacare was based on a conservative healthcare plan, it's no surprise that Democrats butchered it beyond recognition"
Obamacare was not butchered from a right-wing plan. It was designed and implemented as a right wing plan. Right-wing President Richard Nixon and right-wing think tank the heritage foundation designed the right-wing healthcare plan we now call ObamaCare, and it was not butchered. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.
"Just because Bill Clinton had one or two policies that MIGHT have been right-leaning, that does not make them right-wing."
Yes it does. That's exactly what it does. Passing right-wing policies while cutting existing left-wing policies literally makes them a right-wing party.
"They've hated right-wingers for freeing their slaves and giving women rights"
You're either being purposefully obtuse, or you're fantastically stupid. Republicans were the ones that pushed for the supreme court to strip away women's rights. It's been in the news lately. Maybe you've read about it?
"They've fully embraced socialism"
Can you give me three examples of socialist policies the democrats have successfully passed and implemented since the 1990s?
You can't.
Obviously, neither of us are going to convince the other, and I'm sure we both have better things to do with our time. That being said, I'll let you have the last word and wish you well, as this will be my final reply.
I'll let you have the last word
Aww, aren't you sweet.
There was nothing of substance in your reply.
Buddy, if I had any more of it, I'd be arrested for substance abuse.
I gave you several real-world examples of typical leftist behavior from the Democrats that goes back centuries, and still goes on today. So unless I somehow missed the Democrats become anti big government, pro American values, pro family values, pro Christianity, pro equality, and pro 2nd amendment among other major issues, then there's no way in hell they can be considered right-wing, not in this reality. At best Clinton had a moment of clarity, but it's likely he just compromised to fight another day.
No women's rights were taken, they can still do whatever they want with their bodies and to their bodies, even in red states. If you're talking about abortion, that was never a women's rights/health issue, especially since we live in a leftist clown world where men can also get pregnant and gender is apparently a social construct. Fetuses are considered living beings and their rights to life were protected. Exceptions can be made for abortion, but only in rare extreme scenarios.
As for Obamacare, at best it was loosely based on an idea from the Heritage Foundation, an idea that isn't even original to the Foundation, but otherwise there was no program or blueprint or anything like that that would end up becoming Obamacare. No matter what Obama and others have said, Obamacare is entirely a Democrat baby, and their attempt at having universal healthcare, which is itself a classic bait-and-switch trap of socialism.
Speaking of, Obamacare and raising the minimum wage are two examples off the top of my head of socialist programs/policies implemented by the Dems. Medicare and medicaid are two more examples, and those date back to the 60s.
With that said, you wished me well, so I shall do the same with you 🤝 Until the next inevitable political discussion 👋🏻 share
Dude YouTube , TikTok style video on YouTube and Facebook is all republicans, YouTube they try to be the sensible one when they point out the flaws of liberal movements
It’s a lost battle anyway you look at it for liberal movements
Dude, which universe do you live in? 😆
They’re run by liberals, and they censor or shadowban people that aren’t liberal, forcing them to rely on alternate sites just to keep some of their revenue, only for those alternate sites to be branded as nazi dens.
It’s a lost battle any way you look at it for centrists and conservatives.
For you maybe, but let’s be real the corporations are full of shit to some degree you just see it different than me
shareIt’s the truth, bro 🤷🏼♂️ The entire system favors liberals. It’s super obvious, so there’s no need to play coy.
shareI’m not really into arguing politics anymore so I don’t act stupid, I’m just going the other way for the “real “ underdogs because this country is screwed anyway you look at it and I got no more time for same boring talking points
share“Same boring talking points” 😄 you’re one to talk.
Username checks out. Bye 👋🏻
Ok man you’ll see they will praising me as the next artist of a generation while you’re time is up back in the dark ages, it’s all part of my evil plan to be the most sought after artsy fartsy poopy pants who the women will be throwing themselves at me and the gays too.
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