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The Holocaust wasn't very tolerant. Neither was The Spanish Inquisition.
shareThe Holocaust wasn't carried out in the name of Christianity. It's perpetrators happened to be from a Christian society, but their motives were not religious. The same can't be said of radical Muslims and their terrorist representatives.
As for the Inquisition, it was several centuries ago and has no bearing on Christianity today.
If we're patient, in around the year 2500, the rad muzzies ought to be about as civilized as we are today. In a somewhat related note, how bad would it have been if British colonists (and even earlier Christians) had access to automatic weaponry and planes and such.
shareThat is a very valid argument. How does Christianity not accountable for inquisitions and crusades? Was that a beta version of Christianity? Did God release an update?
No, inquisition and crusades were raw, literal Christianity. Only after most of the church's influence was taken away did humanity start moving forward.
Wow... I can tell that you really hate Christianity and Islam.
What did anybody do to you to make you hate while religions that much?
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Nothing in the world has ever divided the human race more than religion.
The most dangerous and destructive virus.
You seem to forget that many people get comfort and solace from their faith.
During this pandemic, my mother and I have also gotten a lot of help from deacons from my mother's church.
Please explain how that is that wrong.
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Right... You're making four mistakes here.
1: Islam has more than a billion followers all over the world. It is not far to assume that all these people are the same.
2: Even if there was proof that all Muslims were terrorists, it would be wrong to forbid other religions.
3: How would it be fair to confiscate people's holy books? Did you never hear about the concept of religious freedom?
4: It is really not true that religion is the only reason for war. It is much more complicated than that.
It is not wrong, it is a misplaced and misguided irrational faith. People of "reason" are capable of having faith in, but not limited to: (oneself, others, nature, life, objects, science, etc.). Many people from different cultures, religions, and throughout history, have placed their faith and beliefs in different gods/deities/myths which they also claim brings them comfort and solace simply because they convince themselves of it. It is a coping and psychological mechanism for things that they do not understand and for their irrational fears. Faith in the imaginary does not make them more real, valuable, or worthy than having faith in yourself, others, and nature. Faith in the imaginary will always be a 50/50-chance just like having faith in an actual living person or any object.
Children for example, take a comfort object, transitional object, or security blanket which they use to provide them psychological comfort, especially in unusual or unique situations, or at bedtime. These comfort objects may take the form of a blanket, a stuffed animal, or a favorite toy which provide them with the same comfort and solace that adults receive from placing their faith in the imaginary.
You don't realize that stating that everybody else's faith is "irrational" and "misguided" is arrogant?
shareNo, not their faith, but the object in which they place their faith.
I have faith, however, I do not have faith in something imaginary in order to bring me solace, comfort, and peace. By the way, that is not everybody, as there are millions that think and believe as I do which does not make us any more or less important or valuable than all those that choose to have faith in one of the many different deities.
I have known religious persons that placed their faith in different deities and stated that everyone else that did not believe in "their deity" was a false faith and eternally condemned...now that is arrogance.
If I can chime in politely for a moment, I understand where you are both coming from. linuxlad, I agree with you that religions on the whole have caused much division in the world and are responsible for some appalling human atrocities. On the other hand, my own mother is a woman of faith who doesn't attend church because she supports any of those destructive elements. She is a quiet, kind, compassionate lady who finds a sense of solace and community in her church activities (nothing extreme here, we're talking cake bake sales, catering for funerals and the like, certainly no suicide bombing). Also, I reject that there is an inherent lack of intelligence in people who believe. Many churches in many religions wouldn't accept me for simply being who I am, but there is never a moment of question with my mum. Never once. Even when I made it clear to her that I don't share her religious views and don't believe in any one God. She is smart enough to know that her Bible should be read in context of the time it was written and can reconcile her more progressive personal values with her wish to live her life giving to others and with the thought that there is an afterlife where she will one day be reunited with my father. That doesn't make her dumb or gullible or irrational. It makes her someone I admire and love very much.
In short, I think there needs to be A LOT more give and take from both sides in this argument. Tolerance and understanding is the key, at least that's what I think.
Excuses, excuses!
shareYou’re the one making excuses you are trying to excuse hate and murder with hate and murder
share"Is it because Christians are more tolerant and peaceful than Muslims?"
Holocaust, slavery, KKK, inquisition, genocide, migrant children torture, recent mass killings, witch burnings, Tulsa, George Floyd, Matthew Shepard .
The pot calling the kettle black.
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None are from Christians.
You trying ti imply that those were Christian entities makes you look foolish.
Nobody is talking about "entities" except you.
"Is it because Christians are more tolerant and peaceful than Muslims?"
Evil acts committed by Christians show the OPs comment isn't true.
and the Spanish Inquisition wasn't about Christianity, but Spanish Conquest. Jesus was a turn-the-other cheek love thy neighbor hippie that never preached spread the word by the sword. Not one word about that in the Bible. Muhamed however (to the extent we know there was a Muhamed), *did* preach spreading the word by the sword, and the punishment meted out to this French teacher in the name of Islam is exactly what the text of the Quran calls for
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/17/teacher-decapitated-in-paris-named-as-samuel-paty-47
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Neither was 9/11
shareU.S was in the middle east stealing oil. Iranian government overthrow, Iraq government war and overthrow, U.S. helped to fund and create the Taliban with its proxy war in Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia paid the U.S. back by providing most of the hijackers.
shareConspiracy theories and excuses. But of course why would I expect someone who defends BLM to start taking a stand against terrorism now. Also it sounds a lot like you are trying to justify 9/11.
Also you are now engaging in a non sequitur the discussion was why is it ok to mock one imaginary figure but not the other. The inquisition has nothing to do with it, the reason is one group will blow you up if you do while the other won’t , it’s terrorism
Only a racist believes Black lives don't matter.
I suggest you open a history book since you don't know any. U.S. funded the Taliban, genius.
Only a racist would condone a terror organization who shouts “shoot the white folk”, “get ready to fcking die” and blocks the entrance to a hospital so that two wounded cops can’t be taken in. It’s pretty cowardly of you to hide behind a slogan and a fabricated allegation of racism to justify looting, rioting and murder. You are beyond pathetic
Also strawman I never said That and we funded them to fight the Soviets not to suicide bomb us. Also regardless of what we did or didn’t do it’s a non sequitur, we didn’t tell them to murder anyone who mocks their imaginary prophet, and you worship a similar imaginary figure, you’re just as deluded as the Muslims. Regardless that doesn’t justify mass murder as you are attempting to nor does it justify murder for mocking an imaginary religious figure
You sure do love terror organizations (BLM, taliban, etc)
"we funded them to fight the Soviets "
The U.S. funded religious extremists who hated all Westerners. Of course, they were going to eventually attack us! They attack and kill Shiites, too.
BTW, the U.S. is once again helping the Taliban in Afghanistan. The U.S. will never never learn.
"you worship a similar imaginary figure,"
Link?
I reiterate, only a racist believes people who fight for racial justice and equality are terrorists.
We didn’t fund them to cause 9/11 Your conspiracy theory is dismissed.
BLM isn’t fighting injustice (their cause is mostly a fabrication) they are looking for excuses to riot , loot and murder people. They are no better than the KKK. You are a sick person for defending them.
"We didn’t fund them to cause 9/11"
Yet they did, anyway! And the U.S. government continues to help the Taliban now.
Yes, racists like yourself stereotype people who support justice and equality. Meanwhile, you support your "Proud Boys" and other riffraff who drive cars into peaceful demonstrators.
Unless we knew they were going to do 9/11 then your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.
BLM isn't about justice and equality, it's an excuse to riot and murder innocent people. I'll ask again do you give a damn about the death of David Dorn? Of course you don't because you're a racist hiding behind justice and equality but in reality you only care about black lives if you can exploit them for cheap political points. How does murdering a police captain, a 1 year old in a stroller, looting Macy's and burning buildings promote "justice and equality"??? Hell their spokesman said on Martha McCallum that he would "burn the country down" until the police were defunded, that is the very definition of terrorism.
Yes, it does! The Taliban was abusive and oppressive in Afghanistan long before 9/11. They were arresting and beating people for smiling in public! I complained about them for that, oppressing women, destroying the historical Buddha statues and assassinating Massoud who the U.S. should have been supporting since he was pro-democracy.
BTW, I blame the Soviets for 9/11 and Islamic terrorism because they started this domino effect by overthowing Afghanistan's leader and invading the country.
You hate black people. Enough said.
You are clearly the one who hates black people, you only care about them when you can use them to hurt the president you’re a very sick person. No one had any clue Islamic terrorists would suicide bomb us your case is dismissed
Edit: BLM is just as bad as Al Qaeda, the only difference is Al Qaeda has been more successful
Of course, they knew! 9/11 was the second attack on the World Trade Center! Government officials knew terrorists would return which is why defense preparations by NYC government and private companies were made. Shortly before 9/11, intelligence agencies received warnings about an imminent attack, but lazy Bush was on vacation repeatedly at that time so leadership and coordination were nonexistent on the federal level.
"BLM is just as bad"
Because you're a racist.
Please show me proof the government knew 9/11 was going to happen, so far all you have are empty speculation and conspiracy theories and I am not going to entertain them.
So it's racist to be against rioting, looting, arson and murder (many of the victims were black themselves???). "Racist" is just a buzzword to you, it's a last ditch effort when you can't debate the facts, you are one pathetic little man. Hell BLM blocked the entrance to a hospital so that an ambulance carrying two wounded cops couldn't get in, that is attempted murder right there. And of course they were chanting "We hope you die"
Google is your friend, lazy lima bean.
shareGot it, you can't defend your position. I accept your concession. Now go back to your basement safe space.
shareYou're lazy and racist.
shareYou're deluded, racist and a terrorism sympathizer
shareI want equality and justice for ALL Americans!
You're the crybaby racist boohooing about BLM, triggered lazy lima bean.
No, you want to burn the country down for cheap political points, you couldn't care less about any past or current injustices, black lives are just pawns in your political agenda.
So it's being a crybaby to be against burning buildings, looting, and murder?
Since you brought up the Holocaust, I suggest you read this and be educated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany
The Nazis went after Christians (Catholics) as well as Jews. If there had been Muslims in Nazi Germany, they would've gone after them, too.
I'm not surprised. There are Protestants who don't believe Catholics are Christian. The KKK used to be anti-Catholic and held rallies against them. General acceptance is relatively recent, but anti-Catholic bias and prejudices still exist.
shareKEELAI seems racist.
shareThe Third Reich was founded on all sorts of esoteric mumbo-jumbo. Christianity/Catholicism cannot be blamed for the holocaust.
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