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Right or wrong he's made a point

posted 2 months ago by moviechatterer (16326)
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never mind wether he's a marxist revolutionary or hyper neocon whatever the fuck , theres 100 other threads discussing that
Also forget about wether he was justified , or a hero or a terrorist ,
he did what he did for a reason , and that reason is:

The USA's healthcare system is a piece of shit isnt it?
or is it?
discuss

One of the comments i read under a story about this guy was from someone who had their insurance claim for cancer treatment denied because "The cancer hadnt spread enough yet" What kind of first would country would send a letter like that out?

[–] DancingintheDark (1807) 2 months ago

It’s flawed but it’s not shit, visit any third world country for a prolonged period of time and one begins to see the forest for the trees.

[–] MiyagiDoMAGA (1658) 2 months ago

Hitler made a point too. I guess that's what really matters here.

[–] FootOfDavros (8712) 2 months ago

I agree that the politics angle is stupid as, despite what clowns on either side think they're getting out of it, both sides ultimately serve the same system and that system is greed.

So did he make a point? Not sure. Will what he did affect change? I'm not so sure...

I think it's probably better just to view him as the manifest symptom rather than any cause. The more the greedy try to steal from the system, the more the system will attempt to adjust itself. So will this dude cause these companies to start paying out more or not?

I guess not and therefore we'll see things like this happen again. Who knows maybe more forceful - like a bomb at one of their HQs.

[–] BKB (11315) 2 months ago

If the U.S Health care System is shit, then what does this say about Obamacare??

[–] fc31 (6137) 2 months ago

From what I understand Obamacare was to put more people on health insurance, has nothing to do with health insurance company denying payout.

[–] yvesyves (714) 2 months ago

Isn't that part of American culture and mindset, and how America was built? Try to make as much money and accumulate as much possible while taking advantage of poorer people poorer "groups" than you or the group/community you are part of, then since you have power and money kind of find ways to make laws to make it all legal, and keep growing and accumulating wealth.

Dumb comparison but like in the old West someone would try to come in and steal from the man who made a lot of money taking advantage of miserable people working for him, or take revenge on that wealthy man because he felt he was wronged or abused by him, like this guy who shot the CEO who had yearly income of over $10 million.

PS: i am absolutely not a leftist or democrat, i am far right conservative

[–] [deleted] 2 months ago

No, US healthcare is not a piece of shit.

Insurance is equated as Healthcare. It's not.

What the murderer did was wrong.

[–] moviechatterer (16326) 2 months ago

Insurance is equated as Healthcare. It's not.

Tomayto Tomahto

You need the insurance to access the medical care , therefore insurance is a part of the healthcare system.
So you have a system much like the motor insurance system where the providers of the finance do whatever they can to get out of paying up in the event of a claim.

[–] [deleted] 2 months ago

Actually, many people access Healthcare without insurance. The requirement to have insurance was lifted. You'd be surprised how fast the bill dropped the moment you say your not using insurance.

[–] fc31 (6137) 2 months ago

Actually from what I understand without insurance you pay full price, instead of a wholesale price health provider negotiated with insurance company.

For most people if you don't have health insurance you can't afford health care.

[–] [deleted] 2 months ago

That factually incorrect. Many prices are raised when insurance is involved. They have a bigger pool to draw from. When pricing to the individual, it's far cheaper. You're just so used to the insurance 3rd party payer system to see it.

By law, you don't need insurance and you just need to pay up front or have an agreed upon payment plan after an incident.

[–] fc31 (6137) 2 months ago

Are you actually telling me Obamacare is because Obama saw people without insurance had it too well, he just could not stand people having a good time, wanted to ruin their party?

Are you actually saying people who have insurance are the suckers?

[–] [deleted] 2 months ago

Obama was a massive scam that increased insurance costs and forced people to buy into private business. It's corporatism. Obama got massive kickbacks on his campaign after that. Never think a politician has your best interest in minds. These guys are all jackasses and liars.

The people most hurt by it were low income people. I remember doing their taxes through VITA and being relieved once the Obama care taxation was taken off.

The reality is, insurance is a 3rd party payer system. Like college with student loans, it separates the buyer from the supplier and keeps prices hidden.

So yes, people who view it as Healthcare are suckers. Do some research and spent time away from propaganda. I've paid for my wife's surgeries outside of our insurance because it allowed us to get the best doctors. Insurance can help but it's not Healthcare and it's not necessary. If more people got rid of insurance, pay clinics, hospitals, and doctors directly, you'd see a big reduction in costs. Hospitals may even list their prices.

I swear people are too indoctrinated by news and social media. Learn something without the internet from time to time.

[–] liscarkat (19418) 2 months ago

"Right or wrong", as if laying in wait for a guy and shooting him in the back is an act of debatable morality.

[–] strntz (12773) 2 months ago

When a person has no innate foundation of morality, anything can be debated.

[–] FilmBuff (7436) 2 months ago

Before Obamacare it was a good system. It's far worse now, but still the best healthcare system in the world.

[–] moviechatterer (16326) 2 months ago

best in the world!? Thats a stretch surely?

According to this page
https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/

Its fallen from Number #11 in 2022
to Number #69 in 2024
(although those two figures are from different reports)

Or 38th in these survey
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world

[–] JBran (1803) 2 months ago

Best healthcare system in the world?

Probably the worst one of the developed countries.

https://fortune.com/well/article/us-health-care-system-ranks-worst-commonwealth-fund-survey/