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Jordan Peterson hits back at director Olivia Wilde over 'this insane man' comments

posted 2 years ago by Satan2016 (26200)
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Some studio gave this woman $20m for this? https://moviechat.org/tt10731256/Dont-Worry-Darling

https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-jordan-peterson-hits-back-at-director-olivia-wilde-over-this-insane-man-comments

In the movie, which debuts Monday at the Venice International Film Festival, Chris Pine plays the villain, who sets up an idyllic 1950s company town called Victory.

Pine’s villain, Wilde said in a recent Q&A with Interview magazine, is based on Peterson, who she calls “this insane man.”

“We based that character on this insane man, Jordan Peterson, who is this pseudo-intellectual hero to the incel community,” said Wilde.In the interview, Wilde described incels as “disenfranchised, mostly white men, who believe they are entitled to sex from women.”

“They believe that society has now robbed them — that the idea of feminism is working against nature, and that we must be put back into the correct place,” Wilde said. “But this guy Jordan Peterson is someone that legitimizes certain aspects of their movement because he’s a former professor, he’s an author, he wears a suit, so they feel like this is a real philosophy that should be taken seriously.”

In his statement, Peterson hits back at Wilde’s criticisms.

”I am, currently — just to set the record straight — professor emeritus at the University of Toronto, which among those not pseudo-intellectual themselves still constitutes professor and member there of a department of psychology which is in the top 15 such departments worldwide,” Peterson said.

In regards to the criticism from Wilde that he’s an inspiration to the incel community, Peterson writes that these men are “unsuccessful enough in the dating market to remain involuntarily celibate, and which might be regarded in this context as the kind of derogatory slur compassionate progressives claim to eschew.” He says he is “pretty damn pleased” that some of these young men have found “solace” in his work.

“Many of the young men whom the progressive and cancel-culture-facilitating mad woke mob (which contains no shortage of bitter, self-righteous, victimhood-brandishing, virtue-signalling, accusatory and even outright demented mean-girl feminists) have shamed and tortured into cowering for ever daring to manifest a single masculine attribute have turned to my work and found some solace therein,” Peterson continues.

He adds that he as “repeatedly and very publicly” told young men and women that they should “think very hard about their own personal shortcomings and not the evil of the opposite sex, and that they should in consequence strive to amend themselves in the very ways that would make them attractive.”

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 2 years ago

I hate Jordan Peterson too but lmao what is this. Why is there so much random drama and gossip about this movie?

I just wanna see Flossie in a new movie. Chris Pine's cool too.

Is any of this even in the movie, or is Olivia making it up as she goes along like JK Rowling?

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

She really is quite stupid.

[–] jcnyclv (1633) 2 years ago

Yep

[–] Philhelm (517) 2 years ago

The "incel" retort has become annoying. Same with the "Show me you don't X without telling me you don't X" quip. Find some new material, people!

Returning to "incels," what kills me is that the left will crusade for every claim of disenfranchisement, real or imagined, while dog-piling people who are often social outcasts. A bona fide incel probably suffers from some sort of physical or mental issue that prevents them from making meaningful romantic connections (which I would argue is a basic human need to live a fulfilling life). Most of it may be socially related, but it could also be related to a physical or mental disability. It's like making fun of someone for being poor, or having a wheelchair.

[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

It's already a massive misnomer anyway as it's a portmanteau of "involuntarily celibate" and celibacy is voluntarily abstaining from sex or marriage. It's like saying someone is a married bachelor, retarded.

[–] 123Guy (7840) 2 years ago

I don't even accept a term incel. it's all nothing more than natural selection.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 2 years ago

A bona fide incel probably suffers from some sort of physical or mental issue that prevents them from making meaningful romantic connections

When people say incel, they're usually talking about genuinely shitty people are celibate because they're genuinely shitty people. Not exactly sure why you'd be going on the defense here.

It's not cool to excuse people's behavior by just saying "oh, they just have mental issues". We already got so many ppl who avoid responsibility by playing the mental illness card.

[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

Are you racist? Some incels are black you know.

[–] Philhelm (517) 2 years ago

Most of the people I've met who I would suspect would be "incels" didn't appear to be bad people, just socially awkward or otherwise unattractive to women. There are a ton of shitty people who aren't incels though. As an anecdote, I knew an attractive female (work-related) who was married to a man previously convicted of forcible rape of an 11-year-old girl. He was handsome though, so got a pass instead of a bullet.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 2 years ago

Most of the people I've met who I would suspect would be "incels" didn't appear to be bad people, just socially awkward or otherwise unattractive to women

That's why I pointed out that socially awkward people are not usually what people refer to as being incels, at least, not in this derogatory manner. I'm aware what the portmanteau is derived from, but in practice, that's how it's used (there's a historical reason for that, but not gonna get into it here). For instance, no one's gonna say Steve Urkel was an incel.

And yes...no one is suggesting that there aren't shitty people who aren't incels lol. You don't even need an anecdote to declare that. Everyone knows that there bad people who have sex. Everyone knows that some ppl are able to get by and avoid punishment because of their advantages in life.

When incel is being used as a derogatory insult, it's not an attempt to disenfranchise the Screeches of the world. It's a condemnation of the Elliot Rodgers of the world. Sure, we can talk about his mental disorders, and all that sort of thing. And trust me, I am one of the first people you'll that will have sympathy for even the most evil of people. But I strongly believe that ultimately, he is responsible for the crimes that he committed.

If it is wrong to make fun, sure, I'll take that. Insulting people is obviously not an okay thing that we all happen to do unfortunately. But I think you're exaggerating a bit when you say "It's like making fun of someone for being poor, or having a wheelchair." No, people are making fun of people that seem to be Elliot Rodgers in the making. Maybe that's inappropriate too. Obviously we should help them, or send them to therapy or whwatever. But they're not good people. That's the point.

[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

If what you're saying is accurate then that seems like a genius idea, lets all provoke the potential mass shooters of society and push them further to the fringes! What could go wrong?

It's bullshit anyway because it gets thrown around as an insult much as "nazi" or "bigot" or all of the other thought termination cliché accusations, usually to people's political opposition. And it gets thrown at what you describe as the Screeches, usually by the very same people who profess to hate "punching down"

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 2 years ago

Shrugs. You make a fair criticism. I just felt the other poster's tone was a bit...missing the mark. Like, maybe I'm wrong here. But I don't think he's right. Like, I think "Returning to "incels," what kills me is that the left will crusade for every claim of disenfranchisement...Most of it may be socially related, but it could also be related to a physical or mental disability. It's like making fun of someone for being poor, or having a wheelchair" is a strawman. I don't think he's doing it on purpose. He (and you) both seem very earnest here. I think it's just a miscommunication...especially cause:

It's bullshit anyway because it gets thrown around as an insult much as "nazi" or "bigot" or all of the other thought termination cliché accusations, usually to people's political opposition.

I do agree. There's a lot of buzzwords that have lost their meaning through widespread, colloquial usage. Like the word "toxic" or "gaslight". BUT, I don't want to eliminate these words entirely even though their definitions have been perverted.

[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

I think if we were able to somehow magically know the amount of "Screeches" and the amount of "Rodgers" in the world, the "Rodgers" would be far outnumbered by the "Screeches" by orders of magnitude. Most people don't have it in them to indiscriminately start killing. I don't necessarily think Philhelm's argument is a strawman as the majority of actual "incels" (my god I really hate that word!) will fall into the Screech category, and many of those are people with disabilities. I really see it as a form of bullying myself. No person who is truly just looking to be loved idolises a psycho like Rodgers yet they get lumped in with him.
Agreed very much on your last point though.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 2 years ago

Fair enough on the bullying point. Regarding the magnitude issue, my reference to Eliot Rodger wasn't an attempt to simplify the situation as just being Rodger vs Screech.

I guess I'm coming from this angle is cause, imo lol, I was a normal incel. And all the incels I'd known were all normal people far the most part. But I never saw the rhetoric as being potentially offensive. I know one guy who would have been offended, but quite frankly, he's also a bit disgusting lol. He's no Rodger. But he's no Screech. He's got some rage and some hate and insecurity issues that he's got to figure out.

But still, I see what you both are saying. Perhaps I'm not as kind towards ppl of the like as I should be. I like him and consider him one of my friends, but I can't stand some of these aspects of his personality and worldview. Maybe my lack of sympathy is because I just can't stand some of it, and I want to distance myself from it. I never blamed other ppl, or the culture, or whatever for my celibacy ya know. So maybe that's why I've ended up perpetuating such negativity.

[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

Just to clarify, I don't see people throwing the term as an insult to be bullying, just the genuine people who can't find love getting lumped in with mass murderers.
There is definitely bitter people who blame all of their failing on others and there's real unlucky guys who have say a deformity or some kind of abnormality, and then guys like you describe who kind of falls in the middle. I guess "inceldom" is really a spectrum. Anyway I keep using the word even though it's stupid, how can you involuntarily voluntarily abstain from something??? I think that's probably my biggest gripe in all of this!
Good chatting anyway, glad you didn't take offense at my initial banter. I must admit I do like to provoke sometimes, it's a flaw.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 2 years ago

I don't see people throwing the term as an insult to be bullying, just the genuine people who can't find love getting lumped in with mass murderers.

Ah....okay. Yeah. You're right. That makes a whole lot more sense now why you'd be reacting the way you do. Actually, these two entire conversations may be testament to how problematic the word is right now if there's all this lack of clarity as to what we're describing. And lol yeah, I never realized the grammatical absurdity of it until you brought it up to the other guy. But...I'm pretty sure it was the toxic incels that came up with that term to describe themselves. Maybe it's a warped way of like...asserting both personal agency and helplessness simultaneously. Or they just didn't know what the word meant.

I didn't take offense at your initial banter about black incels; I just didn't understand it. And then I saw your username, and I'm like wait, is he one of those ppl who's always bumping Karate Kid Pt 3 to trending by talking about random shit. So I just kinda ignored it. XD Anywho, nice talking to you too. Cheers! Have a good weekend.

[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

Oh I was being absurd, it was just an ironic accusation of racism in the way some people can find racism in absolutely anything. I wasn't being serious, I suppose that can certainly contribute to miscommunication sometimes too so again, another flaw lol.
Just ftr I've never actually posted in the KK3 threads despite the username. I poked my head in there to read one time and got rather confused, seems they have a culture all of their own there that's carried over from the IMDB days!
Cya around.

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 2 years ago

Not familiar with Peterson but this quote seems like genuine wisdom:

"He adds that he as “repeatedly and very publicly” told young men and women that they should “think very hard about their own personal shortcomings and not the evil of the opposite sex, and that they should in consequence strive to amend themselves in the very ways that would make them attractive.”

Wilde has always been a bit off. I would like to see a debate. Let them both reveal themselves.

[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

He is a smart man and has always been very big on personal responsibility, in fact I think that's why he gets a lot of flak from those who value being a victim in every situation. He also has no issues calling out those on the left which no doubt contributes to the flak he receives.
Another quote of his I liked -
"Many of the young men whom the progressive and cancel-culture-facilitating mad woke mob (which contains no shortage of bitter, self-righteous, victimhood-brandishing, virtue-signalling, accusatory and even outright demented mean-girl feminists) have shamed and tortured into cowering for ever daring to manifest a single masculine attribute have turned to my work and found some solace therein."

[–] snepts (11123) 2 years ago

I'd say this quote is ridiculous and irresponsible coming from someone who purports to be an academic. Sounds like more flim-flam from the conservative side to whip up indignation over a non-existent issue.
But it's giving him the notoriety he seeks, so some might consider that smart.