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I think the majority of the peeps in here think Chauvin should do "some" jail-time for his poorly judged contribution to Floyd's accidental death.
The real debate is just how much time should he have gotten? 20+ seems a little excessive.
The maximum would be 75 years.
shareSo you're okay with a little over a quarter of that?
I've seen people commit worse crimes and get far less. Chauvin was convicted of unintentional murder. He wasn't trying to kill Floyd, he was just making an arrest and perhaps took it a little too far. The real kicker in all this is, if the knee didn't kill Floyd then he walks. And according to some of the new evidence, it looks like Floyd died of an overdose.
So, I don't know.... the whole case is messed up.
If Chauvin was not trying to kill Floyd, then why did he pull him out of the vehicle instead of closing the door and driving him to jail? Why did Chauvin kneel on Floyd for an additional two minutes after they could not find a pulse?
What new evidence? There are new opinions and new viral posts on facebook and other media that depict the 2020 medical examiner's report as something new. But they are all wrong.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/no-change-in-george-floyds-cause-of-death-despite-viral-false-claims/
Tucker Carlson is making those claims too, but as usual, he is lying. Lying is what Carlson does, it is how he makes a living. He would still be lying on Fox, but his lies became an excessive liability for them. https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-new-evidence-derek-chauvin-murder-george-floyd-1836953
The courts recognize that Carlson is a liar and no one would actually believe what he says is true. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye
Even Carlson admits that he lies. https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-new-evidence-derek-chauvin-murder-george-floyd-1836953
New evidence is here - https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/
>>>then why did he pull him out of the vehicle instead of closing the door and driving him to jail?<<<
Floyd was going crazy in the squad car, and was thrashing around and even injured himself in the process. The police have to make an attempt to protect people from themselves. So, they took him out of the car, placed him on the ground and called for paramedics.
>>> Why did Chauvin kneel on Floyd for an additional two minutes after they could not find a pulse?<<<
I don't think he knew Floyd had no pulse at that point, and the crowd was a distraction, the officers didn't know whether or not they were going to get attacked by the on-lookers. Which brings up another point, no one is going to intentionally kill someone with a crowd of people right there recording it. And plus, Chauvin had no motive to kill Floyd, that is usually a pretty big factor if you're going to charge someone with 1st degree murder. Chauvin was convicted of unintentional murder. It's kind of like treating this incident like a traffic accident.
Personally, I wouldn't have kept Floyd in that position for the length of time Chauvin did but I am not fully trained in police procedure either. And I don't have the experience Chauvin had after working as a cop for 20 years. I'm sure he's put hundreds of people in this position and no one has ever died from it.
Hell, I used to get into prone position and let a massage therapist walk on my back and I never died from it...
Here's a few pictures of such things...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fN7h9o0-CDM/maxresdefault.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6faf51e73acfbe71d6412631a074ce0b?rik=hGemTyBguc5zuA&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
Even children do this -
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.eXaiGsTnpovV7eWjIMaxRAHaFW?w=192&h=183&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.7&pid=1.7
And here's a back walking massage on youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAkIC8AiOEE
There is no new evidence in that video. I watched it, just claims with no supporting evidence. If you insist there is new evidence presented i that video, at what time can it be viewed?
The police were not trying to protect Floyd by taking him out of the vehicle and kneeling on him until he died.
Officer Kueng testified that he told Chauvin he could not find a pulse on Floyd. Do you think Kueng lied under oath? https://abcnews.go.com/US/key-takeaways-george-floyd-fatal-arrest-trial-cops/story?id=82927105
I think Chauvin thought he could snuff a person in public on video. What makes you think Chauvin is too nice to do such a thing?
Why are you sure Chauvin knelt on hundreds of people without killing them? Do you have any evidence at all to back up your claim?
I've had my back walked on too, the therapist did not do it for 7 minutes nor did she stay on my back after I stopped responding to anything. The therapist also did not stand directly above my rib cage for an extended period of time, she walked on my back, from the shoulders to the hips. Why are you not showing anyone getting walked on while their hands are cuffed behind their backs?
Did you notice that getting your back walked on is different than standing on the shoulder or neck area?
>>> I watched it,<<<
I doubt you did, the fact that you had to ask why they took Floyd out of the car tells me you never saw it. The arrest video is in that documentary.
>>> there is new evidence presented i that video, at what time can it be viewed?<<<
I know that documentary has a lot of things in it that we already know but for the most part, people like you have not seen it. So for you, it is new. I don't have the time stamp but for the most part, the entire documentary is full of evidence, it even has interviews with Chauvin and another officer that was on the scene. The important part is what was said between the ones conducting the autopsy.
For the most part, there was a cover-up here.
Although, during the trial, the prosecutors made a pretty good argument that Floyd died of asphyxiation, but we know the drugs in his system, combined with his medical history all played a role in his death.
For example.. if you charge at me with a knife and I pick up a rock and throw it at you and it hits you in the head and you die, should I get charged with murder?
Or what if two guys get into a fight in a bar and one guy lands a heavy blow to the other and he falls then hits his head on a lamp post, bleeds out and dies, should the guy that landed the blow get charged with murder?
The problem we have here is Chauvin was making an arrest, he didn't know what kind of health condition Floyd was in, nor is he under any obligation to gather that information. Officers hear the ole' "I can't breathe" all the time from different suspects. No one wants to get arrested, people will say anything to get out of it. As demonstrated in the documentary, Floyd used every excuse in the book to avoid going to jail.
>>>I think Chauvin thought he could snuff a person in public on video.<<<
So not only are you an armchair detective, you're a mind reader and a clairvoyant that just "knows these things".
The next time I need advice, I will ask you for sure.
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Sticks you are wasting your time with this bot and/or idiot. He's literally had this same argument with a dozen people myself included. Basically he'll tell you Chauvin committed a calculated murder for no apparent reason because he held Floyd down for 2 minutes after he had already died.
I asked ranb why it matters that Chauvin restrained the man if he was already dead, and he said had he let him go two minutes earlier he could have given Floyd CPR and saved his life. Batshit logic to the extreme.
>>>Sticks you are wasting your time with this bot <<<
I know, I've had this conversation with ranb a few times. This might be the last time I talk to him, his posts are quite ridiculous.
>>>he'll tell you Chauvin committed a calculated murder for no apparent reason<<
I think that's the biggest problem with this case, too many people think it was cold blooded murder, and while it does look really bad when you watch the last 10 minutes or so of the arrest video, you change the way you think about it when you watch the full video. At least, a normal person would, but I'm not sure about ranb. lol...
Regardless of how you feel about law enforcement, they have a dangerous job, I wouldn't want to do it, but I know that without it, crime would be 100x worse. Unfortunately, situations like this are going to come up and they're going to come up more often because of the anti-police rhetoric people have been spewing out lately.
Their job is going to be even more difficult, thanks to people like ranb.
>>>are you sure Chauvin knelt on hundreds of people without killing them? <<<
Quote from article on this topic -
***Our findings are important,” Kroll told Force Science News, “because North American officers control and restrain agitated and resistant subjects in the prone position over half a million times each year. Subjects end up being proned out in about 60 per cent of physical force encounters – without a death or serious injury resulting.***
https://www.police1.com/use-of-force/articles/new-study-more-evidence-against-the-myth-of-restraint-asphyxia-fZq4miR8WYclWnGx/#:~:text=%E2%80%9COur%20findings%20are%20important%2C%E2%80%9D%20Kroll%20told%20Force%20Science,%E2%80%93%20without%20a%20death%20or%20serious%20injury%20resulting.%E2%80%9D
I watched it, they could have just shut the door and drove away. Safer than kneeling on him on the road.
The video is full of empty claims that lack support. You can't even be bothered to list a single one that is worth anything.
Your scenarios are not the same. Floyd was hand cuffed and helpless on the ground while Chauvin knelt on him.
Chauvin was told Floyd did not have a pulse, Chauvin likely knew Floyd was passed out and no longer moving, but he knelt on him for another two minutes. That is very damning.
How many of those times did a police officer kneel on a person for two minutes after they could not find a pulse? Two times? Zero times?
If it was routine that the police knelt on perps who did not have a pulse and then died at the scene, then it is probable that Chauvin would not even have been arrested. But it is not like that at all.
>>>they could have just shut the door and drove away.<<<
I am trying very hard not to rip you to shreds over this. But you are just wrong. They can't drive away when someone is injuring themselves in the back of their car. They have to make an attempt to prevent this.
>>>Your scenarios are not the same.<<
They're examples of scenarios that don't involve intent. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. They're very similar to the Chauvin case. He wasn't there to kill a man, he wasn't trying to kill a man, he wasn't using the prone position to kill a man, he wasn't even putting his knee on the neck/shoulder area to kill a man.
Contrary to ranb's belief system, cops have civil rights in these situations too, and they deserve fair trials if accused of misconduct. You seem to think they should have skipped the trial, disregarded evidence, and treated him as a hardened criminal from the get go, then throw him in jail for the rest of his life without any chance of an appeal.
The legal system really doesn't work that way in the United States.
>>>Chauvin was told Floyd did not have a pulse,<<<
Like I've said before, it's questionable behavior to continue kneeling on someone that has no pulse, but you nor I can say what Chauvin was thinking at that moment. We can't read minds....
>>>If it was routine that the police knelt on perps who did not have a pulse<<<
Once again, the odds of someone dying in that position are extremely low, Chauvin was probably worried that Floyd might have regained his pulse and then go on a rampage and attack the officers and the on-lookers. I mean, it's logical when you think about it, Floyd bruised and bloodied Chauvin's knee for over 9 minutes. Why would he not get violent and attack the officers? That's the thing about this case, we seem to forget that an officer's knee has to be kept in good condition because they often have to chase criminals that run from them.
Don't you know anything?
Floyd was well over the fatality threshold.
From line one of Floyd's Toxicology report:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
“Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.”
According to the deposition of a former Hennepin County prosecutor, the county’s medical examiner told her in a phone call that there "were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation."share
Did you miss the part in your quote that said "have been associated"? Nothing in that report said that Floyd's 11 ng/ml was certainly fatal.
Why is it that the fanatical Chauvin supporters fail to recognize that chronic users of certain drugs can build up resistance to them and require higher doses to injure or kill themselves? https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/36/3/182/887968?login=false
Almost everyone else knows this, but Chauvin worshipers are determined to remain ignorant.
7 is fatal, he had 11 plus a cocktail of other substances with a list of preexisting health conditions.
shareWhat is your evidence that 7 ng/ml is always fatal? You have none. If it was always fatal, then Chauvin would have been found not guilty. Even the defense did not claim 11 ng/ml was always fatal.
What is it with "internet lawyers and doctors" on this forum? They all think they have special knowledge that even Chauvin's defense team lacked. But they kept it a secret until after Chauvin was convicted and later plead guilty in court on a related case.
Were you trying to screw Chauvin over by keeping this stuff from his defense team?
Floyd died from on OD, all of us with common sense knew this and it has now been confirmed.
Chauvin was railroaded.
Is saying "Floyd died of an over dose" three or more times supposed to be a magical invocation that somehow invokes the "not guilty fairy" into making everything right again?
What is your confirmation that Floyd overdosed? Why did you not inform the Chauvin defense of your evidence so they could present it at trial? Because you have nothing and think all of the people here who agree with you are idiots.
Why did you let Chauvin plead guilty at his civil trial when you had this alleged proof of an overdose?
What is your confirmation that Floyd overdosed?
The autopsy report and court documents.
Why did you not inform the Chauvin defense of your evidence so they could present it at trial?
I just told you that it was recently confirmed. share
I don't believe you know what you are talking about. Link to them. I have read the autopsy reports by the country examiner, it does not say a drug overdose killed Floyd.
Just because you tell me something was confirmed does not make it true. How about you back your claims with something other than your word?
So there an actual policy that says the police cannot drive an injured person to jail or a hospital? I think you're making this up.
You think Chauvin did not mean to kill Floyd, I think you're naive.
I know the police have civil rights. Chauvin was indicted, put on trial, found guilty and sent to prison. He was tried again and plead guilty. What did the state do wrong?
I have never claimed that the state should have skipped the trial and put him in prison. That is just one more thing you're making up.
Has a person who lost their pulse while handcuffed and face down on the ground while a police officer knelt on them ever managed to go on a rampage? This is just another one of your sick fantasies to justify the brutal treatment of Floyd by Chauvin that lead to his death.
Show us a photo of Chauvin's bruised and bloodied knee? It was introduced as evidence in trial?
One thing I do know is that you would rather make up stuff than speak the truth.
>>>Show us a photo of Chauvin's bruised and bloodied knee?<<<
Here's Derek Chauvin's knee after his encounter with George Floyd, this cannot be tolerated ---
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.42ad3384cfaf2b72b803c0385899380a?rik=mxLxRE2gBkOTLw&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
Chauvin used to be an adventurer like you but then he took a neck to the knee.
That appears to be a generic image on the internet from 2019. Try harder. https://tineye.com/search/c9dcfd8dbdf0bf256184c232fd7a57a4a764ca19?sort=score&order=desc&page=1
You really think everyone here is stupid enough to believe your crap?
LOL!! whatever, dude....
shareRanb is like a broken NPC wired to lie, deny, and gaslight.
shareDo you have any proof that is a photo of Chauvin's leg taken in 2019 a year prior to Floyd's death?
shareWhy do continue to beg for proof or links when you are going to continue doubling down on more lies and gaslighting?!
shareAdmit it. You have no proof of your claims as usual. You are a retard.
shareI know I'm foolish to ask you for evidence to support the claims you know are lies, but that is how I operate. You should be providing proof any time you make a claim. It makes it easier for everyone here.
share"It makes it easier for everyone here."
...it makes it easier for leftoids and clowns to double down on more lies and gaslighting.
Only leftist liars beg for internet scriptures.
So what if I claimed that you planned Floyd's murder with Chauvin, then escaped the attention of the media and police? Would your friends just blindly accept that claim and not demand that I prove it with some sort of evidence?
I don't think you would like that. You might even ask me to prove it or retract the claim. But that is not what you're preaching now.
You behave like your scripture is; "No white police officer should be charged for killing a black criminal on drugs who is accused of a crime".
Internet Scriptures = links to MSM, Factcheckers, Articles
Whatever claims any leftoid makes does not require confirmation because 9/10, they are lying and others can easily research their claims without having to beg them for it.
"Floyd bruised and bloodied Chauvin's knee for over 9 minutes."
Wtf? Lol. Please be trolling.
[–] stickman38 (2671) 3 hours ago
Once again, the odds of someone dying in that position are extremely low, Chauvin was probably worried that Floyd might have regained his pulse and then go on a rampage and attack ....
A person cannot be elevated to sainthood if they are not injured in the process of dispensing justice to those they crush under their knees.
They say poor Chauvin had to keep kneeling on Floyd for two minutes after Officer Kueng told him Floyd had no pulse he could detect. He "had to" because all too often these corpses "suddenly spring to life and go on a rampage" while back cuffed.
You might think that no one could possibly believe this is true. It is not true, but some people will try to convince you anyway. share
>>> He "had to because all too often these corpses suddenly spring to life and go on a rampage<<<
I do recall a few people making this claim shortly after the incident happened. I brushed it off as trolling but then again, people are naive enough to believe anything.
Who were these morons making this claim and why were you foolish enough to believe them and repeat their claim?
share>>>Wtf? Lol. Please be trolling.<<<
lol... I just wanted to see what ranb's reaction would be to this one.
Looks like he took that statement serious. hahaha... naive as he is, I find him to be kinda funny.
A year would have been fine.
shareSoooo, you like Chauvin then?
Okay, cool, but nobody cares about that nor your absent sex life.
yeah it's pathetic how they ride his dick so hard, can't load the MOVIEchat homepage without seeing his annoying face, either that or trump's
shareOnly people that jerk off thinking about their mom use the term "incel" without irony.
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