Wow you're either really "out there", or trolling. Far be it for ME to be defending the gay community, first time for everything, but your theories are really whacked.
They're not theories it's a fact.
The scientific model doesn't assume truth based on claims; queries are put through hypothetical scrutiny and if the facts bear out, they become theories that must be tested.
The burden of proof is on YOU and the other propagandists to prove that people are born gay.
I'm outright telling you there is NO science -- none, zilch, zip -- that coincides with that claim, because every claim that's been tested has not bore out fulfillment of said claim. I already linked to you studies showing there is no gay gene.
• There is ZERO evidence from endocrinology reports showing any signs of gay adrenal glands.
• There is ZERO evidence of gay gene clusters.
• There is ZERO evidence of gay allele strands.
• There is ZERO evidence a gay neurophysiological protein.
Read the peer reviewed studies for yourself if you don't believe me.
Have you ever spoken to a gay person? Most will tell you that they knew they were gay in 1st Grade.
Anecdotal claims are neither fact nor admissible as scientific; which is the problem with people on the Left, completely ignoring fact to believe fiction. I could claim I'm the President of Ecuador, does that make it true?
You can't tell me that their environment has gotten to them already at that young age.
That's literally what the science says:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/
I guess you'll claim that they're BS'ing us so that they can blame their gayness on Genes rather than take personal responsibility.
That's literally what they said in the Christopher Street article. Read it for yourself. As I said, the burden of proof is on you (and your gay allies) to show the hard science where these gay genes are located. So far, they don't exist, there is no science that backs up your claim anywhere.
The fact people peddle this lie with zero scientific backing doesn't bother you at all?
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davebuffalo (3456)
3 years ago
LOL, OK I'll follow up on your references. I am in no way "on the left", nor do I have a single gay ally.
I did know a lesbian named Ally once though. Too bad, because she was smoking hot!
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cyguration (3951)
3 years ago
Cool beans.
Also, you'll find that a lot of the resources will have geneticists and physiologists claiming there's a "genetic component" to homosexuality, but whenever you press them for the details, they go silent.
One scientist boldly claimed homosexuality was not a choice whatsoever, but funnily enough other scientists in the comment section took her to task by asking how an estimated (and not verified) 8% - 25% chance of some random genetic influence removed the choice? No answer from her. You can read the comments for yourself here:
https://theconversation.com/stop-calling-it-a-choice-biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764#comment_2008805
If you try to follow the studies to find out what gene cluster these genes are located in, there are none (You know how they've discovered gene identifiers for things like height, motor skills, neurological development, etc.? Well, no clusters for gay behavioural traits, but scientists insist it exists... somewhere!)
Hilariously enough even some of the alphabet advocates are admitting it's a choice:
•https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160627-i-am-gay-but-i-wasnt-born-this-way
•https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2094099/Cynthia-Nixon-gay-choice-Actress-seeks-clarify-comments-causing-outrage.html
But the real crux of the matter is that ALL sexuality is based on neurotransmitters secreted by a pituitary gland operated by the hypothalamus. Why is this important? because during prenatal development, the hypothalamus has less than 20% of its cell functionality, and isn't formed enough to enable sexual attraction until the limbic system is fully formed AFTER birth:
https://archive.is/wip/ode7j
Ergo, you can't be born gay (or sexually attracted to anything for that matter, since the organ for that cognitive function isn't even properly formed at that stage of development)
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Leodicaprio (6426)
3 years ago
This is what it looks like when the medication runs out.
You actually can be born that way, as your genetics will later determine those cognitive functions and organ being developed.
amazing humans have been lying to themselves about being gay for thousands of years!
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cyguration (3951)
3 years ago
You actually can be born that way, as your genetics will later determine those cognitive functions and organ being developed.
Your cognitive functions are shaped by your sensory organs, which are determined completely by your environment. However, your sensory functions aren't even fully formed during the perinatal stage since the limbic system isn't completely developed (viz., how can you sense anything if the process to which you sense isn't properly functioning yet?).
Ergo, you CANNOT be born with a predisposition before the organ itself is developed, which is why the neurtransmitters CANNOT induce a cognitive pattern before the neurotransmitters themselves exist, which is physiologically impossible since the hypothalamus isn't fully formed.
And again, there are genetic markers for motor skills, height, eyesight, hearing, retentive capacities, and synaptic development, yet there are ZERO genetic markers for homosexuality:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02585-6
Ergo, your genes cannot determine your sexuality if there are no genetic markers for it.
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Here's a little exercise for you, though: try to describe something you find attractive without using any of your five senses.
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Leodicaprio (6426)
3 years ago
this is what happens when you get off your medication in a nutshell.
I can be predisposed to not like mustard. and be a ketchup person. even before I taste them. this doesn't mean I chose to like ketchup.
sir why did you choose to like the food you do? and dislike the ones you dont? that was all a choice
dont worry I know. its the secret gay lifestyle and their agenda! they were around in Ancient Greek convincing people to choose to be gay
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Enigmaticocean77 (2432)
3 years ago
Damn, that's a piss poor rebuttal to all the scientific examples that cyguration presented. Even if you don't agree with what he wrote you're rebuttal makes you look completely inept. The guy (agree with him or not) was actually having a conversation, and twice you mocked him with
"this is what happens when you get off your medication". I'm going to be honest, your responses are what happens when you get triggered, and can't handle a difference of opinion. You mentally revert to a 5 year old and resort to name calling. Real mature.
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Leodicaprio (6426)
3 years ago
He wasnt having any engaging conversation. he posted two opinion pieces by journalists! hardly the definitive authority on modern scientific study.
next he says "But the real crux of the matter is that ALL sexuality is based on neurotransmitters secreted by a pituitary gland operated by the hypothalamus. Why is this important? because during prenatal development, the hypothalamus has less than 20% of its cell functionality, and isn't formed enough to enable sexual attraction until the limbic system is fully formed AFTER birth:"
and what determines how those will developed BEFORE BIRTH. oh right. genetics.
and even if I am completely wrong, that STILL doesn't make his assertion that its a choice true. an assertion he has yet to present a single piece of evidence for!
its the fallacy creationists do all the time. THey say "evolution isn't true therefore creationism is". Well no you have to prove creation is true on its own. showing this other thing isnt true doesnt make the other thing true
"you get triggered, and can't handle a difference of opinion. You mentally revert to a 5 year old"
Please leave mr high and mighty. you would maintain your fake guise of neutrality and superiority better if you weren't such a hypocritical dull witt
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Enigmaticocean77 (2432)
3 years ago
See, more name calling...
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Leodicaprio (6426)
3 years ago
and you 5 minutes ago. ""you get triggered, and can't handle a difference of opinion. You mentally revert to a 5 year old""
your high and mighty schtick is truly pitiful.
its one thing to insult. they arent a big deal im a grown adult so are other on here.
its another to pretend to be some superior moral arbiter while doing the very thing you are chastising others for. truly sir you are a pitiful bag of crap.
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Leodicaprio (6426)
3 years ago
and it gets worse. based off your other replies. its clear you are a biased conservative.
so now not only pretending to be the moral arbiter, but pretending to be neutral with no horse in the race! sir I upgrade you from bag of crap to pile of crap!
this is the problem with you conservatives on here. you all seem to be lying cowards. I guess thats the benefits of internet anonymity. you can all just be lying cowards
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Enigmaticocean77 (2432)
3 years ago
Awesome, keep going. You have such a vast understanding of the English language. Your superior usage of it is mind bending.
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cyguration (3951)
3 years ago
I can be predisposed to not like mustard. and be a ketchup person. even before I taste them. this doesn't mean I chose to like ketchup.
No, you can't... not without taste buds. How can you know how either taste if your taste buds haven't been fully developed?
sir why did you choose to like the food you do? and dislike the ones you dont? that was all a choice
Stimuli. You need to experience it to develop an affinity/aversion.
dont worry I know. its the secret gay lifestyle and their agenda! they were around in Ancient Greek convincing people to choose to be gay
As I stated before, the onus is on you to provide evidence of being born gay (for which there is none). Nothing in endocrinology, nothing in genetics, and certainly not neurophysiology.
It's a sociological phenomenon, impacted by psychological influences. You can read the study yourself right here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026959/
Physiological properties are the basis of behavioural influences, yet there is NO reputable science that indicates any of those somatic systems influence homosexual behaviour at birth.
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