Elliot is not asking anybody for anything.
It's her personal life, not affecting yours in any way.
Stop behaving like a dumb bully, and mind your stuff.
When you have nothing nice to say, you better not say anything at all.
4000% increase in FTM transsexuality over two years with all the health risks associated is affecting plenty of people's lives. Telling people how they must call each other with the penalty of imprisonment is affecting plenty of people's lives.
sharesource?
shareHere's a link for ya (kids can now get on HRT drugs without their parents consent):
Children In California Can Now Make Life-Altering Decisions Without Parents' Knowledge
https://religionunplugged.com/news/2021/10/1/children-in-california-can-now-make-life-altering-decision-without-parents-knowledge
There's a 99% probability that no one will take you seriously if you do not site your source.
sharewhats your source for the 99%? no one will take you seriously if you do not *cite* your source.
sharePeople who demand references are hilarious. If someone writes about this topic in a term paper, thesis, dissertation, or journal article, they're obligated to cite their sources. This is an informal forum, so do you own research.
shareIt is not "hilarious" but vital to stop those who would divide us from disseminating derogatory lies. Most people don't know how to "do their own research" because they are poorly educated.
share"not affecting yours in any way"
Not true at all:
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33529775/amid-protests-pennsylvania-swimmer-lia-thomas-becomes-first-known-transgender-athlete-win-division-national-championship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox
https://adflegal.org/blog/i-was-fastest-girl-connecticut-transgender-athletes-made-it-unfair-fight
SO...YOU'RE A FEMALE ATHLETE?🤔
shareAre you a tranny?
See how stupid your logic sounds?
I AM UNAFFECTED AS ARE YOU...WHINER.
shareIt only matters if YOU are affected? Fucking idiot.
shareTHAT IS ACTUALLY HOW THE WORLD WORKS...SOME GUY IN AUSTRALIA CHOPS HIS BALLS OFF WITH A LUNCH MEAT SLICER...SUCKS FOR HIM...YOU AND I ARE UNAFFECTED...UNLESS WE CHOOSE TO INVOLVE OURSELVES IN THE BUSINESS OF OTHERS AND BEYOND THAT TAKE A HARD STANCE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS...YOU MIGHT BE A JACKASS.🙂
shareUhhh, no. That’s not how sports works. Sports affects other athletes, fans, betters. Ever heard of the steroid scandals?
A man competing in a woman’s sport changes the outcome of the sport.
This affects sports fans.
Moron.
AWW...YOU DID IT.👍🏾
shareHey Kowalski, guess we shouldn't have cared when the Holocaust happened cause it wasn't happening in America, right? People's actions have an affect on others numbskull. I'm so sick of your shit dude.
shareDID YOU JUST EQUATE TRANS RIGHTS WITH THE NAZI GERMANY?...WOW...YOU'RE A SPECIAL KIND OF NUMBSKULL.🙂
shareAre you really so dumb you can't see he threw your (retarded) logic right back in your face?
shareLMAO...DO ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT YOU COME OFF AS ANYTHING BUT DENSE AND MORONIC?
shareI agree with kuatorises
shareOH...I KNOW WHICH PEOPLE HERE AGREE WITH KUNTORISES...YOU ARE REFFERED TO AS "THE OTHERS".
shareThe guy is strictly out to respond to everyone and accumulate as many number points as possible next to his name so he can feel good about himself.
Instead of writing stupid replies to everyone why not write something meaningful?
MEANINGFUL RESPONSES ARE ELICITED BY MEANINGFUL COMMENTS...TRY MAKING A FEW.🍑
share*EFFECT
I AM NOT SICK OF YOUR SHIT...I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE FUCK YOU ARE,CHIPPY BOY.😉
Agreed.
shareJust because I'm not Ukrainian, that doesn't mean I can't criticize Russia even though it doesn't affect me personally.
shareCRITICIZE AWAY...JUST TRY TO AVOID BEING A WHINY LITTLE BITCH LIKE THIS OTHER GUY.😉
shareThe women who competed against the guy in the first link are upset too though.
shareTHE TOPIC IS ELLIOT PAGE...THE ASS WEASEL HIJACKED THE THREAD TO WHINE ABOUT ONE OF THE FEW DEFENDABLE POINTS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE ENTIRE GALAXY OF INTOLERANCE THAT THIS ARMY OF THIMBLE DICKED MORONS LIVE IN.🍭
OFF TOPIC...BUT THE TRANS/SPORTS THING IS A SERIOUS ISSUE AND NEEDS RESOLVING.
"OFF TOPIC...BUT THE TRANS/SPORTS THING IS A SERIOUS ISSUE AND NEEDS RESOLVING."
You got this mad and actually agree with me. 😄😃😀😂🤣😅
I HAVE NOT BEEN MAD AT ALL...I ALSO DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU...WE HAVE A SIMILAR OPINION ON THE SPORTS ASPECT BUT IN AGREEMENT WE ARE NOT.
share"I ALSO DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU"
"WE HAVE A SIMILAR OPINION ON THE SPORTS ASPECT "
LOL!!!
MY APPOLOGIES IF ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE...
WE HAVE SIMILAR OPINIONS...SIMILAR...DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE IN AGREEMENT.
Watching all this backpedaling is great. You made such a stink with the "ArE yOU a FeMAlE AtHLeTE" argument only to actually agree with me. HAHAHAHA!
shareAGAIN I APPOLOGIZE IF ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE...
OTHERWISE YOU ARE JUST STUPID?...IF YOU HAVE READ THIS THREAD YOU WILL SEE I HAVE CLEARLY STATED THAT I AGREE THAT TRANS ATHLETES AND WHERE THEY PLAY IS AN ISSUE AND NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH...YOU WILL ALSO CLEARLY SEE THAT MY ISSUE IS NOT NOR HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT THAT...IT IS ABOUT THE WHINY LITTLE BITCHES RUNNING THEIR FOUL MOUTHS ENDLESSLY ON THE TOPIC.😘
You really think this is gonna have the desired result???
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People are curious, they like oddities. I wouldn't worry about it that much.
The best trans person to consult with right now is Blair White. She (and I use this pronoun lightly, lol) makes a lot of sense about being trans and how to handle others that disagree and those that agree as well. Yes, even people that claim to be trans or in favor of trans rights can be very prejudice against each other. Not everything is black and white, there are gray areas as well.
The problem is that its become a political movement rather than a medical condition. People are acting trans now just to be cool... its kind of lame.
Anyhow, here's an interesting video by Blair. In this video, she breaks down a Dr Phil episode that featured people that are "trans activists" and one person that's not in favor of the trans movement. It's a very good video.
link...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAZjoPaXwt8
Blair Whit doesn't understand that transgenderism is obsolete and a regression. The future is genderqueer/pansexual.
sharelol...
And eventually something will replace genderqueer/pansaxul too.
I just think 'tucutes' are going to be all over the place in the future. Now that it's become trendy to act trans, it's inevitable that we will see the rise of tucute next. lol...
For the most part, people don't care what your sexuality or gender is, they just don't want to be bombarded with it and they don't want to see social norms change that much.
The trans activist are constantly demanding that everyone embrace their delusion and trying to change the language everyone uses and want to be included in women's spaces no matter what. This notion that they are just poor oppressed souls is nonsense. They are the ones doing the opressing.
shareHow are you being oppressed by a trans person?
shareBy being forced to:
- accept their "favorite" pronouns.
- accept a guy in the women's bathroom.
- accept a guy flashing his penis in a women's spa (that has little girls as clients as well)
- accept to watch female sports being trashed by male athletes.
- etc
One thing I don't think people talk enough about is the stats of serious medical diseases being inaccurate. For example: only 0.003% of women can get prostate cancer. For men, it's 1 out of 8 males.
Can you imagine how hard it would be to determine these numbers in the future if trans men claimed to be real men? We would think that prostate cancer is no longer a men's health issue.
You only need to exclude trans people from the survey. Problem solved.
The real problem is the opposite: trans people have medical problems that are often more similar to the gender to which they transitioned, and they can't always get treatment for it easily. For example, cis males rarely have UTI, urinary tract infection, while it's quite common in cis women. UTI is common in trans women post-op too, but some physicians refuse to diagnose it.
But trans people want the concept of gender to be gone. Listen to the first sentence in this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2yUL4prrEsM
If they want gender to not exist, then my point about medical stats is valid.
1. Real trans people don't want the concept of gender to be gone. Real trans people suffer Gender Dysphoria, which is the need to transition to the opposite gender. How do you think a person that feels that need would want genders to be gone?
2. The guy in the video is not a real trans, like 99% of people that mainstream media publicize as trans. They're just GNC or fetishists. This one seems the typical GNC. In a nutshell: a cis dude that wanna have a label that makes him feel special.
- accept their "favorite" pronouns.
- accept a guy in the women's bathroom.
- accept a guy flashing his penis in a women's spa (that has little girls as clients as well)
- accept to watch female sports being trashed by male athletes.
Forcing someone to use specific pronouns is oppression. Calling someone a bigot for not finding trans people attractive is oppression.
shareUmmm, I don't go by my given name. Asking people to call me by my preferred name is NOT me oppressing anyone else.
There is nothing cruel or unjust asking others to use a preferred pronoun.
Calling someone a bigot for not finding trans people attractive is oppression.
Are you so dumb that you can't even read? Read again what I wrote and come back to me, moron.
shareAre you such an asshole that you can't have a conversation with someone without insulting them?
First of all, who someone finds or doesn't find attractive is completely subjective and not something we really have control over. So if you have been called a bigot for not finding someone attractive that is wrong. If you have been called a bigot for making a blanket statement about an entire group of people, that is bigotry.
big·ot·ry
/ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Also, someone calling you a bigot, justified or not, is no more oppression than you calling me a moron. I'm not oppressed by that.
No, I'm not an asshole. You're an idiot. I clearly said "force", but you change it to "ask". Canada passed a law that criminalizes using incorrect pronouns years ago.
shareNOPE...YOU ARE NOT AN ASSHOLE...YOU ARE A GIANT FUCKING DICKHEAD...NO FUCKING TACT OR MANNERS AT ALL...LIKE A FERAL CHILD.
shareBuhuhu, my manners. Just how will you recover. There there hon. Have a popsicle.
shareNOBODY IS OFFENDED BY YOU...YOU'RE LIKE A BRAIN DAMAGED PUPPY...AMUSING FOR A BIT AND THEN JUST KIND OF IRRITATING...THE WAY YOU SPEAK TO AN INTELLIGENT AND FRIENDLY POSTER IS JUST STUPID...LIKE YOURSELF...THANKS FOR THE POPSICLE,BUT I DON'T EAT THESE...I GUESS I'LL STICK IT UP ME ASS.🍭
shareI couldn't care less what you think about my personality. The fact is, I was correct and he was wrong. And Btw. Only idiots type in caps lock.
shareYOU MADE ME SMILE...THE CAPS COMMENT...THE WEAKEST OF ALL RESPONSES.👍🏾🙂
shareNot a he. But thanks for just assuming. So you were wrong there.
I didn't say you were an asshole I asked if you were. I did say ask because no one is forcing you. How are you being forced? By being called out when you don't? That's not force. I simply posted that if you are being called a bigot for something that you haven't done, then that is wrong, but if you are making blanket statements about an entire group of people, then that is bigotry by definition.
Who is forcing me? Canada passed a law in 2017 that requires people to use preferred pronouns or face jail time. Boy you are stupid. And no statement about a group of people are not bigotry if they are true. If I say that Chinese people are shorter than Americans that is not bigotry.
shareI think that perhaps maybe you need to read up on bill C-16 before you call me stupid. First of all there is no mention on pronouns in the criminal code or the human rights act.
Also
Bill C-16’s legislative summary addresses this: “Most human rights complaints pertaining to the provision of services, accommodation, employment or the management of public spaces and facilities are made under provincial human rights laws.”
I would like to ask how many trans people you have come across in person where you refused to call them by their pronouns? Is this a common issue for you?
You might say that Chinese people are shorter than Americans and statistically that may be true, but if you said that all Chinese people are ugly, that isn't true, it's subjective, and that's where the bigotry would come in.
Now since you cannot reply without using insults I am refraining from replying anymore to this post.
Bollocks. The bill infringes on freedom of speech. In fact it is compelled speech.
Yes and therefor calling trans "women" men is not bigotry, because it's not subjective but true.
How is someone forcing me to accept something that I don't want to not oppression?
shareSo is it oppression to have to accept that people are people regardless of skin colour? Was it oppressive to men when suffragettes were wanting to vote and to be referred to as people under the law?
Really, all anyone is asking you to do is to not be a jerk. That's it.
What has skin color to do with transgender???
shareI agree with asom
shareIf someone says 2+2=5, I don't see the harm in correcting them.
shareWhat are you correcting here?
shareThat women aren't men. I get that Ellen feels she's a man, but biologically it's impossible. I don't think she should be made fun of for it or be called a "tranny", the same way I wouldn't make fun of someone for being anorexic or schizophrenic.
If Ellen really believed she has always been a man, then there would literally be nothing to transition to. I can't say that I'm the Prime Minister of Canada and then start a campaign afterwards. If I was Prime Minister, then I should already be in office.
Has Elliot ever said that he is a biological man?
shareShe said she's known she was a man since she was a kid. I don't recall her saying anything about birth. But even if she acknowledges that she was female at birth, that right there is reason enough to say that she is not a real man.
shareNo, he's a trans man
shareYes, but most trans people will say that they are actual men. If they are actual men, then the concept of being trans doesn't exist.
shareSo then it shouldn't bother you.
shareIt's not about it bothering me. It's about getting facts right. If someone claimed to be a vegetarian but they eat meat, I'd question why they would consider themselves a vegetarian.
shareSo you are complaining about something you don't understand and trying to prove someone wrong?
I mean, I don't understand what it would be like to be trans. I know I'm a woman, always have been and always will be. It's never been a question.
You said you don't make fun of other mental illnesses, that's fine. If it is just a mental illness, and the treatment that science recommends is transitioning, does that make it more or less acceptable to you? I don't totally understand the difference between transgender, transsexual, and gender dysphoria, but I accept that they exist and it does me not one iota of harm to use a different pronoun that I'm used to. I mean how many languages gender objects. I mean why are pens feminine and pencils masculine in Spanish? It really doesn't make a difference to my life.
I don't totally understand the difference between transgender, transsexual, and gender dysphoria
So you are complaining about something you don't understand and trying to prove someone wrong?
I mean, I don't understand what it would be like to be trans. I know I'm a woman, always have been and always will be. It's never been a question.
If it is just a mental illness, and the treatment that science recommends is transitioning, does that make it more or less acceptable to you?
Activists are not necessarily trans people.
There is a difference between gender and sex. Gender roles are very real, and they are damaging.
So, I guess what I'm saying is that you aren't a specialist in the field of gender dysphoria, transgenderism, or psychology. So if science said that the best treatment for a schizophrenic would be to just treat them like human beings and let them believe that Napoleon is talking to them, would you disagree? Do you argue with dementia patients?
I guess the point I'm trying to get at is that there is no cure, there's no known treatment right now. There is even debate as to what gender dysphoria is. Right now science is saying that transitioning is the best treatment. I'd rather change calling someone a she to a he, than see them kill themselves because of the way they are feeling.
We can discuss actual transitioning concerns, especially with minors because I think those are very real concerns, and I think there still needs to be discussion about it, but I'm not going to split hairs over pronouns if it will save someone from self harm.
If 100% of doctors say to do it, then I wouldn't disagree and just accept it. But there are a lot of doctors who feel that it's impossible for them to be the gender they transition to. There are doctors coming out saying that other doctors are afraid to state their real opinions in fear that their careers will be over.
shareI think Dr Phil is one of those doctors. I know he's just a TV doctor but I honestly think he's not very fond of the trans movement but won't say anything negative about it because he fears it will cost him his show.
shareDid you see that debate he had with two trans people and Matt Walsh? He was taking their side.
shareI saw it, he almost has to act like he favors trans activism now. I saw another episode where he didn't really act like he believed in transgenderisms and that was about 7 or 8 years ago. A lot has changed since then.
sharein the field of gender dysphoria, transgenderism, or psychology
We can discuss actual transitioning concerns, especially with minors because I think those are very real concerns
Well, tell that to all the activists that shout "trans-women are women" ...
Tell that to the idiots that are going for cervical cancer test because "we need validation that we are women although we are man" and that want to enforce doctors to actually perform the testing.
Trans women who have had a vaginoplasty/bottom surgery with the creation of a neo-cervix are recommended to have paps.
https://www.cancercare.mb.ca/screening/trans
Yeah, I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the ones that haven't even undergone ant kind of surgery an call their dick "my girly penis".
shareI hadn't heard that was an issue, and it's impossible for them to do the screening if they don't have a cervix. So if that really is something that is happening, then I don't even know what to say. If there is no part, it can't be checked out.
shareLMAO...REIN IT IN,CHAMP.😂
shareCelebrities and politicians tell us time and time again that transmen are men and transwoman are woman. If you say they are not you are a TERF or transphobic and a bigot. This happens daily on Twitter and social media.
So we have to accept that a transman in this case is infact a man even though we know they are not. She is a woman who has had plastic surgery to bascially cosplay as a man for reasons only they can answer.
Now if this current movement had kept it as stated "transman/woman" then i think poeple would have been more accepting but that is not what they want. My wife has said many times if she sees a Transman in a womans changing room with my daughters she will tell them to leave. When actually woman say it is wrong then you really should listen. Unfortunatly we have men and transmen now telling woman what it is to be a woman. It is backwards and absurd. Then we also get the white knights (even in this very thread) defending it. I always wonder why.
Anyone can call themselves and identify anyway they want. Have at it. More power to you. But when that persons choices start impacting others then people need to say something.
I actually agree with some of what you are saying. I think that the use of terf is over used and isn't helping helping one. Especially from non trans people.
I would like to ask if your wife is okay with a transwoman in the changing room?
Other than people on social media being asshats on all sides, how are trans people actually having an effect on your life? Do you know any personally?
Actually yes i do. I know 2. Both born men and now woman. One i know by name and know very well and the other is they live on the same street and only spoke in passing.
It affects me because I have a wife and 2 daughters. That should be the end of it.
I do not want my 10 year old daughter getting changed with a man nearby. It is wrong on all levels and really shouldn't need explaining.
I would like to ask if your wife is okay with a transwoman in the changing room?
That is a very ambiguous term. Are we talking post op/pre op. Fake penis. Vagina bascially sewn up.
Most transmen have there breasts removed but are basically still woman and so wouldnt be any different to a woman who has had a double mastectomy so to be honest can't see it being an issue but they wouldn't go into the womans changing rooms. Isn't the point they are men and would go into the mens changing room. That example I doubt would arrise under those circumstances.
I'm just trying to clarify this comment
My wife has said many times if she sees a Transman in a womans changing room with my daughters she will tell them to leave