You should see his wife
...ok she's about 45 but still...really really hot.
I guess being a mediocre guitarist with 2 or 3 good songs really pays off.
...ok she's about 45 but still...really really hot.
I guess being a mediocre guitarist with 2 or 3 good songs really pays off.
You must know absolutely nothing about guitar. Like him or not, Ted Nugent is a phenomenal guitar player.
shareNo he's not. Joe Walsh is (with The James Gang), Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Beck, Van Halen and even Zappa is. Nugent...not so much.
shareDo you play guitar?
shareYes.
Am I any good? No. But I can distinguish between good, very good (Ted) and great guitarists.
I do like him and his political stances. But not a big fan of his music anymore. I did buy one of his albums while in H.S. back in the 70s. (I don't remember the name of it it was so long ago)
I went into a record store in 1979 to buy his album "Cat Scratch Fever" but it wasn't available so I bought VH1. Van Halen is the only band in which I bought all of their albums when they were released. Up until DLR quit. Stopped liking their music with Hager singing. Became over produced.
Am I any good? No. But I can distinguish between good, very good (Ted) and great guitarists.
has anyone ever said to an aspiring guitarist. "you should check out Ted Nugent"
shareHe's medicre among the group of famous guitarists.
Very good when you mix in the rest of us.
I've completely botched this one.
You have to get more granular than that. Ted has very good technique for his day, but his writing and choices are weak. And some of those other guitarists are more famous for reasons that go beyond their playing -- like the bands they were in, or the songs they wrote. Without The Eagles, Walsh would have a much smaller profile, similar to Ted's. And Zappa wrote interesting compositions, but he doesn't have the facility Ted or most of the others had. Neither does Beck.
shareI invite you to listen to the first 2 or 3 songs of James Gang Live album on Youtube. Walsh was at his best at that time.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion so it would be a waste of time to argue about the others.
I'm talking about fame, not the peak of his playing. Joe Walsh would suffer the same lower level of notoriety had he not played for The Eagles after The James Gang. Part of the picture here comes from more people being aware of you. Ted didn't play for The Eagles, Led Zeppelin, Cream, or Van Halen. He'd be viewed differently had ever been part of a bigger group, with better songs, that sold more records. Instead, he's the highlight of a smaller group (The Amboy Dukes, before going solo), just like Walsh had been pre-Eagles. Ted can play, he just can't write. And nothing sounded like Stranglehold in 1975.
shareI liked the one song I heard that he did with Damn Yankees.
shareJust to add, I remember hearing a story Ted Nugent told on hearing a young Eddie Van Halen for the first time. Van Halen was the opening band somewhere in the early 1980's and Nugent heard "a sound come from a electric guitar that I never heard before"..he went to investigate and witnessed a very young Eddie Van Halen warming up for the show. Nugent was completely floored by the new sound and the young guitarist skills.
shareWhen I first heard Van Halen I thru my cheap speakers in my pickup truck it all sounded like noise. Especially "Eruption".
shareNot that one has anything to do with the other but I was with you until you lost all credibility when you aligned yourself with Nugget politically. I never trust anyone who is out of touch with reality.
shareAnd you lost all credibility when you decided that political affiliation has anything to do with someone’s ability or talent when it comes to playing a musical instrument.
shareReading comprehension isn't your strong suit I see.
shareWhat I see is you writing that someone lost credibility to judge a guitar player’s talent when they aligned with him politically. Because you said “not that one has anything to do with the other” doesn’t really change the fact that you were “with him”, when the original discussion was that the OP didn’t think Nugent was a good guitar player, and that he “lost all credibility” once he said he supported some of Nugent’s politics.
What am I missing?
Oh well, darn.
shareYou don't need to play yourself to realize Ted knows how to rock. It comes through with every nerve shattering note he hits.
shareI wouldn't call him mediocore. He was simply a basic blues rock guy. There's nothing wrong with that. He was good at that simple style. He had some good pentatonic licks, a good sense of time, and a good (albeit) wide vibrato. Not everyone can be as good as one of the four Kings (B.B, Albert, Freddie and Earl) Hendrix, Page (even if he's sloppy asf) Gilmore, Mclaughlin, Metheny, or Holdsworth. Those guys are god-like geniuses.
shareNugent could probably play a Page solo cleaner than Page himself could. Page could produce and write great stuff (riffs in particular) -- but even on some studio recordings, he's a fumble finger on those fast runs. Beck and Gilmore stayed in their respective lanes.
shareI don't doubt that. LOL. Page was/and still is an icon though, and as sloppy as he is, he is still considered one of the best (by many) in the blues rock idiom.
shareI love him and Led Zeppelin, but I don't hide my feelings on his flaws. I guess others rationalize it under the "rock n roll clause" where attitude and feeling is enough where technique fails. When I hear the Heartbreaker solo, I cringe while most Zep fans swoon. It sounds like me trying to play fast as a young teen, after recording it on cassette, then eagerly playing it back, only to find out how bad I still am.
shareI think the one song Heartbreaker is the only example of him playing sloppy.
shareI think the one song Heartbreaker is the only example of him playing sloppy.
shareI was going to mention the Heartbreaker solo being a sloppy mess, but I figured that that goes without saying. I think that most people who love that solo are either non-musicians or amateur musicians. Buddy Guy is another all time great that falls into the same slop category as Page. They both had/have great feel, but there are A LOT of rough edges when they play fast. Still, Page's song writing creativity, and Buddy's voice make up for their lack of finesse in regard to fret-board dexterity.
An interesting tidbit that some may not be aware of is that Page actually took lessons from Jazz-fusion Icon John Mclaughlin. If you listen to one of Mclaughlin's early recordings- a song called "Hearts and Flowers", you can actually hear what is probably the Heartbreaker's solo break's most famous riff (the one that moves in minor thirds during the solo break) played by Mclaughlin cleanly, and on an acoustic guitar. It's not exactly the same. It's a more of variation, but it is very close, and course it's technically clean.
Here's a link to the song. The lick that I am referring to occurs around the 58 second mark. Mclaughlin moved it back a half step as opposed to Page's moving it up a minor third. Mclaughlin's take is much faster, and much cleaner than Page's. LOL. Page is still an icon though. So, all is good :) Two of my favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gN-AiOB3v8
Yeah, Buddy Guy's technique gets a pass b/c of the blues "feeling" thing -- but I find him hard to listen to now, and impossible to listen to him live as an older man. Like many of that ilk, his career has been buoyed by a largely white audience who don't know what they're listening to.
shareNah, that's just the most famous, naked, and in your face one. Die hard Zep fans (and Page) think it captures rock's essence, warts and rough edges -- so they love it. But musicians from other genres, or those who expand beyond rock/power blues, hear things differently.
shareIf it's the one I'm finding, she's 60. I'm impressed they've been married for 30+ years. I guess his past of adopting an underage girl so he could take her away from home and have sex with her wasn't a red flag for her. Or the alleged sex with even younger girls. And the song about wanting to have sex with a 13 year old girl.
shareShe's actually almost 60.
shareWhat a disappointing thread ...no links to pics of hot ~60 y/o wife.
Here's an interview that she and Ted did back in 2000 ...gilf for sure.
https://youtu.be/0iA76GrMV7w?t=210
She's 60 and looks 45. That says a lot.
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