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Accused of sexual assault by two women he'd had relationships with.


One occurred about two years ago, and is still being investigated by New Zealand police. The other is coming from a woman he had a relationship with twenty years ago.

Gaiman claims the woman making the more recent claims might be suffering from some form of false memory syndrome. Most of the articles mention that there is testimony and text messages from her friends supporting her story. They weren't there, so I would guess they are testifying about things she told them at the time. I'm not sure that would be admissible in court (hearsay?). Perhaps they could testify about her emotional state at the time. Legally, that might have some relevance.

He also denies the older accusation and points out that she seems to have regret over their relationship. That sounds to me like he believes she's upset that he ended the relationship, and the accusation could be some sort of revenge.

Of course, the first priority should be making sure the survivors get all the support they need.

Politically, Gaiman is pretty far to the left. He aligns with the crowd that believes that women simply do not make false accusations about such things. I don't have any direct quotes from him on the subject, though, don't know what he's said about similar cases in the past. His current stance is that women might lie in certain ultra rare instances (like his), anyway.

https://www.avclub.com/neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault-1851576240

Daily Mail: Tortoise reported that she sent Mr Gaiman numerous text and video messages in which she explicitly said she had consented during their sexual encounters, and also said she loved him and was grateful to him.

The woman told the podcast: 'At the end of it he made me feel like it was consensual, but it wasn't consensual.' She added: 'He sort of lured me if you will into his psychological labyrinth. So it was not straightforward at all.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13598325/The-Sandman-Good-Omens-author-Neil-Gaiman-denies-allegations-sexually-abusive-behaviour-against-two-women-consensual-relationships.html

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I was just reading about this.

This particular line stands out:-

The woman told the podcast: 'At the end of it he made me feel like it was consensual, but it wasn't consensual.' She added: 'He sort of lured me if you will into his psychological labyrinth. So it was not straightforward at all.'


As does this one from the second woman, describing events of over twenty years ago:-

She said: 'I never wanted any of the stuff he did to me, including the more violent stuff. But I did consent to it.'

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Twenty years after the fact and she admits to giving consent?

Why the fuck are we even talking about this shit?

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Yeah, kind of what I was thinking - but it's more than just that. She's just publicly hanging him out to dry and attempting to cancel him I guess (?) but in the same breath saying it was consensual. I just don't know how you can get away with that so freely...

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"Why the fuck are we even talking about this shit?"

My bet is that these are two dumb, childless, middle-age cows who are embittered that time has made its mark on their wrinkled faces and are looking for a quick payout from the one man of any renown they ever knew.

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He was in a position of power, so they could not give consent.

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I once read online that women talk about sex like something that just happens to them, as if they have basically zero free will or agency.

Bizarre comments like the two you posted really remind of that. They're admitting to consent. The first one claims she was tricked by some psychological mastermind into thinking she consented when she really didn't??? Whilst the other says she did consent but didn't want to do any of the stuff (then why did you consent???).

Imagine consenting then 20 years later retracting said consent.

Women!!

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Imagine consenting then 20 years later retracting said consent.

Yeah, that's the scary thing if things are allowed to continue down that path.

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it just aint that fucking simple or black and white
lookup "coersion"
and then "manipulation"

There are women who literally have the living daylights beaten out of them by abusive husbands and they will make excuses for them and forgive them , at least he first few times.

does that make it ok in your book ?

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Could be manipulation.

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Do you mean from him or the women? Or both?

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From him. Could be from them too, but I'm referring to them saying it was consensual. People agree to things by manipulation or fear if they say no.

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So Neil Gaiman is a hypnotist? He should stop being a writer but a teacher, everyone wants to learn how to hypnotize someone to consent to sex. He can be richer than Elon Musk! I believe the CIA and FBI have great interest in it, imagining you can make someone do anything you want, even sex!

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, Gaiman is pretty far to the left. He aligns with the crowd that believes that women simply do not make false accusations about such things.

Interesting that "wether women should be believed or not" is a left / right issue

Its another one of those totally-unrelated-to-politics issues that apparently you have to be instructed on your position on the subject by the color u vote for. A bit like Black Lives Mattering. or whether Climate Change exists.

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That's not true. There's a high correlation between the pound-me-too people and political inclinations. Most definitely almost every idiot passing around #MeToo and #IBelieveHer hashtags years ago were self-proclaimed liberals and, in the USA, Democratic Party voters. Republicans play their identity politics games as well, but not in this realm.

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It's because due to the nature of these crimes/accusations it's often a mans word against a womans. Thus it has become majorly backed by feminists, who are often 'left wing'. They #BelieveAllWomen. They are siding on a gender basis here whilst 'right wing' people are more likely to take a more nuanced approach to these sorts of accusations, sometimes giving the man the benefit of the doubt or rightfully questioning the womans accusation.

For #MeToo proponents, the womans word is all the proof they need. It's a dangerous game allowing one persons accusation to be 100% accepted without question. They operate with a women are flawless belief system, as if the entire gender of women have never told a lie in the history of mankind.

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I think both sides sterotype the other to the extreme in that way
never believe a woman
always believe a woman

Does anyone actually hold either of those opinions?

"They #BelieveAllWomen"
Do they ? OR are they just saying "Lets investigate as far as you can in a case like this"

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I believe Gaiman was on team believe all women all the time, though I'm not totally certain. Anyway, he seems to have come around to the idea that in certain very rare instances, it is possible a woman could be not totally truthful when making these kinds of accusations.

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'he seems to have come around to the idea that in certain very rare instances, it is possible a woman could be not totally truthful when making these kinds of accusation.'

I bet he has!

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