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It's not that she's a lesbian

posted 5 months ago by leader (1962)
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It's not because she's a lesbian that her fall was so simply executed. Poc celebrities and especially women do get cancelled for far less, if we're going to go about it from an identity politics standpoint. That kindness stuff was the ONE angle she had going on for basically three decades. She's not funny, it's not like she was this crazy charismatic host either, I'd say she could get pretty awkward a lot which is why they started spamming the show with games and challenges for the guests. Nothing about her was particularly entertaining aside from the fact she'd built this smiley persona. When that finally crumbled, she was just............there. Yeah, she went through a lot of **** in the 90's as a lesbian and once was one of the few prominent queer people on the mainstream but what did she actually contribute to the overall conversation about queer rights post 2010? A white rich liberal lesbian cozying up with George Bush publicly is not the victim she thinks she is.

[–] Corbell (10995) 5 months ago

And by "cozing up with", you mean being civil to in public instead of having some weird type of meltdown and making a complete ass of herself?

THAT is her sin?

[–] jacotodd47 (1843) 5 months ago

ALways thought she was a phony. The entire "coming out" business in the 1990s, to me, wasn't about creating public awareness, being proud, or making a statement. It was really about garnering publicity in the hope of getting ratings for her failing show ("Ellen" I believe it was called).

[–] DoctorThirteen (13995) 5 months ago

Whenever these Hollywood types do anything the first thing I think is money.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14411) 3 months ago

I read an interview given to one of her male friends that talked about what she and Portia (her wife) were like soon after they were married. He said that they were all over each other, so much so that it got ridiculous, even by Hollywood couple standards back in the day. He said there was one party the two of them attended soon after their wedding, where they were so into each other that people were yelling at them to get a room, and he almost wanted to get out a fire hose. I think we can guess what that marriage was based on, and it wasn't true love at all. That, and after just a few years, Portia divorced Ellen and went off with a man, which tells you a lot about what kind of a relationship they had. She probably got sick of Ellen's phoniness too, and she saw it years before everyone else did.

[–] Jinx (3726) 3 months ago

She always he a 'mean' vibe to her which was totally counter to her kindness message. She was one of those hosts who seemed to enjoy making her guests feel uncomfortable by making jokes at their own expense. She wasn't ever funny to me either, I agree.

My best friend is a gay guy and I've always been a queer advocate and ally but that doesn't mean I just blindly support anyone who's gay. Though I do feel like her exposure and familiarity with her show made people in general more comfortable with the idea of homosexuals, that doesn't make her a good person. Over all, her being a tyrant to her staff has given people who hate gays a lot of fuel for their fire.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14411) 3 months ago

Well, it's very telling when the woman she publicly married and showed affection to (and it was very over-the-top with Portia, from what eyewitnesses said), after just a few years, dumps her for a man. Or stories about her either being very cruel to lower level people at the studio, or neglecting people on set who were being harassed and bullied behind the scenes. Throwing her weight around and controlling who looked at her or talked to her didn't help things.

I guess being gay isn't a shield anymore in Hollyweird, seeing as it's so mainstream now.

[–] leader (1962) 3 months ago

> Or stories about her either being very cruel to lower level people at the studio, or neglecting people on set who were being harassed and bullied behind the scenes

She was not being mean to others. This is something a lot of people mixed up. Members of her upper management staff were and she just didn't intervene, but she herself didn't participate in the workplace bullying. Big difference.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14411) 3 months ago

Okay, but she still insisted on controlling whether people she considered beneath her could look at or even speak to her, which for some reason, becomes a common problem among older Hollywood Divas; and yes, she did nothing to stop workplace bullying in her own studio, because frankly, she didn't care.