Even if it was a rightwing operative, it's still the responsibility of those on set to check the props. Better yet as The Rock has vowed to do, have no more real guns on movie sets.
The NRA is smirking now because they think their opponent is being brought down.
But it's the NRA who is falling fast.
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/attorney-rust-armorer-suggests-sabotage-baldwin-set-2021-11-03/
Just as easily could have been Left wing sabotage. "Famous actor kills woman on set with gun." This provides more support for a gun ban.
share"This provides more support for a gun ban."
This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. At most they could justify banning the use of guns on sets in favor of mock ups.
Most, if not all shootings have nothing to do with the second amendment, but that didn’t stop the left from bringing it up anyway.
Now that it’s one of their own, they’re playing the sympathy card as much as possible. When it fails, then maybe they’ll mention the second amendment and why guns should be banned, not just on movie sets, but everywhere other than the military.
Sadly for the armorer, she has hired a worthless attorney that is more focused on getting publicity than he is on protecting his client. She has nothing to gain from any statement and throwing out some ridiculous conspiracy theory does nothing to help her. In the statement he threw out there he claims she is unable to tell the difference between a live round and a dummy round since the theory by the attorney is that someone managed to put some real bullets in with the dummy rounds... But if anyone would bother to watch any of the numerous youtube videos where they show the difference between a dummy and live round it is not some complicated process. You could teach a 5th grade kid to do perfectly. Take a bullet, see if it has a bullet sticking out of the end of it, now shake it and see if it rattles, and has a hole in the bottom of the cartridge... if yes then it's a dummy if not it's live. Not hard to do but the attorney's statement makes it out that the armorer was too incompetent to do this.
share"Take a bullet, see if it has a bullet sticking out of the end of it, now shake it and see if it rattles, and has a hole in the bottom of the cartridge..."
You can't hear the powder moving around when you shake a live cartridge, or at least I've never been able to, and I doubt very highly that anyone can. And with cartridges that were originally designed for black powder, and are loaded with black powder, there's no room for the powder to move around after you seat the bullet anyway, because the case is filled to the top with black powder and then compressed when the bullet is seated.
In any case, all you have to do is look at the primer. With a properly-made dummy cartridge, the primer should have a hole drilled in it, which leaves no doubt that it's a dead primer (or, you could also just have no primer at all, i.e., an empty primer pocket). You could just use a normal spent primer which will have a dent in it, but that's not as safe as drilling a hole in a spent primer, because primers, especially hard military primers, can have a light dent in them yet still be live. In fact, that happens as a byproduct of design in certain guns which have a free-floating firing pin, like AR-15/M16 family rifles, i.e., a round that gets chambered under the full force of the bolt, but not fired, will have a light dent in the primer.
Live cartridge = casing, live primer, powder, bullet
Dummy cartridge = casing, dead primer or no primer at all, bullet (no powder)
Blank cartridge = casing, live primer, powder (no bullet)
You shake the cartridge because a dummy bullet will have a bb inside of it. They put the bb's inside dummy cartridges for the sole purpose of making it easy to tell them from live bullets simply from shaking them. You'll also find that they have no primer in most of them. When they do have a primer in them (only when used for close up camera shots, the hole will be drilled in the side of the cartridge.
You don't sound like you've really had any experience with dummy rounds.
dummys rattle? thats funny
(cos dummys and rattles are both baby's toys in the uk)
Also if one were to believe that clearly bullshit conspiracy theory of sabotage then surely the conspirator would have removed the rattle?
"a dummy bullet will have a bb inside of it."
Not necessarily.
"They put the bb's inside dummy cartridges for the sole purpose of making it easy to tell them from live bullets simply from shaking them."
That's entirely superfluous, since all you have to do is look at the primer.
"You'll also find that they have no primer in most of them."
As I said, you can use a normal spent primer, a primer with a hole drilled through it, or no primer at all. In all cases you can tell that it's not a live primer and therefore it can't possibly be a live round.
"When they do have a primer in them (only when used for close up camera shots, the hole will be drilled in the side of the cartridge."
Using a live primer in a dummy cartridge a bad idea even with a hole drilled in the side of the casing, since in a tight chamber the hole wouldn't be able to freely vent gases, and you'd have a squib load on your hands. A squib of that type isn't dangerous in and of itself, but it can lock up a revolver (due to the bullet stopping and being stuck between the chamber and the forcing cone), and if it doesn't lock up the gun (such as would be the case if the bullet makes it past the forcing cone, or if the gun isn't a revolver) and someone then fires a blank in it, you have the equivalent of a live round on your hands (which is exactly how Brandon Lee was killed).
"You don't sound like you've really had any experience with dummy rounds."
That's comically ironic, coming from someone who calls cartridges "bullets", and "learned" about dummy rounds watching YouTube videos. On the other hand, I've made dummy rounds. I didn't put a BB in them because the lack of a primer makes it blatantly obvious that it's not, and couldn't even possibly be, a live round. And since there's no universal law of nature that ensures that a BB gets put into the casing of a dummy round, relying on the shake-to-hear-a-rattle method would be asinine. Again, just look at the primer (or lack thereof).
The only dummies I'm sure you've made is yourself. You clearly have no clue and if you are making dummy rounds it certainly isn't for movie in Hollywood as they wouldn't use some idiot that didn't provide the safest dummy possible which would have BBs inside. And if you are making a dummy for close up work you need to either use an inert primer or a spent one that has been punch back out... using one with a hole in it doesn't look real in a close up. But I doubt some idiot like you would understand that.
share"The only dummies I'm sure you've made is yourself."
Comical Irony Alert, coming from the moron who thinks he knows stuff because he watched some YouTube videos, and who thinks a cartridge is called a "bullet". I particularly like this "gem":
"Take a bullet, see if it has a bullet sticking out of the end of it"
A bullet sticking out of a bullet? LOL at that, and LOL at you too, you know, while I'm at it. Also, your laughable attempt at a crystal ball reading is dismissed, Miss Cleo.
"You clearly have no clue"
Comical Irony Alert: Part II
"and if you are making dummy rounds it certainly isn't for movie in Hollywood"
I never said they were for a movie of any kind, simpleton. And making a dummy round isn't exactly rocket science. If you start with fired brass all you have to do is run it through the resizing die which has a rod in the center of it which pushes out the spent primer. Then you set a bullet onto the case mouth and press it in with the bullet seating die. It's quicker than making a live cartridge since you don't need to add a primer and measure and add powder. If you want to start with a live cartridge you can either use a kinetic bullet puller, or you can put it in your press without any die, pull the lever down to raise the cartridge up through the hole for the die, clamp vise grips to the bullet, and then raise the lever to separate the case from the bullet, though the vise grips mar up the bullet, unlike a kinetic bullet puller.
"as they wouldn't use some idiot"
Comical Irony Alert: Part III
"that didn't provide the safest dummy possible which would have BBs inside."
I already explained why a BB inside is utterly superfluous, clodpate. Again, all you have to do is look at the primer. Putting a BB inside is like writing "white" and "black" on the white and black keys of a piano.
"And if you are making a dummy for close up work you need to either use an inert primer or a spent one that has been punch back out..."
You didn't say anything about inert primers in your previous post, you said "primer" (and primers are live by default), and like I said, it's a bad idea to use a live primer in a dummy cartridge, even with a hole drilled in the side of the case.
"using one with a hole in it doesn't look real in a close up."
Thank you, Captain Obvious. And there's no good reason to ever use a primer that even looks like a live primer, since once it's in a dummy cartridge there's no way to confirm that it's inert, and that can lead to accidents. For closeups you can show a front angle of the cartridges, or if you want to show the back, use an inert primer in an empty case (no powder or bullet), and use a camera angle or situation that avoids revealing the lack of a bullet. For example, a common view of the backs of cartridges in movies is a swung-out, loaded cylinder of a revolver. For that you don't need bullets in the cases because they wouldn't be visible anyway.
"But I doubt some idiot like you would understand that."
Comical Irony Alert: Part IV, coming from someone who has obviously never reloaded cartridges in his life.
Your yapping is pointless. You've been shown to be wrong... but hey keep babbling and maybe you'll convince yourself you have a clue. For the record I was reloading before youtube even existed, I never said I learned anything from youtube only that YOU might learn something by watching some video, but clearly you're too stupid to understand what someone writes so I doubt you'll be able to learn anything from watching a video either.
share"Your yapping is pointless."
Comical Irony Alert: Part V
"You've been shown to be wrong..."
Your non sequitur (of the delusional fantasy variety) is dismissed, Slow Doug.
"but hey keep babbling and maybe you'll convince yourself you have a clue."
Comical Irony Alert: Part VI
"For the record I was reloading before youtube even existed"
That's a blatant load of horseshit. Anyone who reloads knows what a bullet is, obviously. Remember when you said, "Take a bullet, see if it has a bullet sticking out of the end of it"? Still LOL at that.
"I never said I learned anything from youtube only that YOU might learn something by watching some video, but clearly you're too stupid to understand what someone writes so I doubt you'll be able to learn anything from watching a video either."
Comical Irony Alert: Part VII
Also, your non sequitur is dismissed. And since nothing in your post is an actual argument, nor does anything in your post address, let alone refute, anything I've said, your tacit concession on the whole matter is noted.
Right-wing sabotage? Nah, just a bunch of self-righteous lefties paying the price for their stupidity.
shareStill on her to check each bullet just as how you would treat a gun as always loaded.
shareThere was a second shooter! I can't reveal his name, but DJT.
shareNot sabotage, just gross negligence.
shareNothing stopped Baldwin from hiring NRA or USCCA safety instructors. The only organizations to promote gun safety and awareness.
shareAnybody who suggests "rightwing sabotage" is an imbecile or a liar. Probably both.
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