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He used to be tough. What happened to him?


Now he's promoting veganism, global warming, attacking Trump and playing a interior decorator in the new Terminator

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Ha! I love that he disappoints you by not being as myopic as you believe everyone on the right should be.

Maybe it’s not Arnie who has the personality disorder here.

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Arnold lost his manhood as his testosterone dropped due to age.

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I don’t think so, I think he’s just more complex than you believed him to be when he was playing a cyborg in the 80s and 90s.

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He changes his views the way the wind blows. He has no principles. Typical elitist like Hillary Clinton.

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Does he though? I’m not sure about the vegan thing but I know he’s always been environmentally aware and has never been shy on his thoughts about Trump. I did think it was strange that he replaced Don Don on The Apprentice, I would have thought his disdain for the man would have made him not want to associate himself with him like that in the public conscience.

Still, I think if you look at the facts, politically he has always veered to the centre-right. I don’t see what his tough guy movie persona has to do with that in any case. It sounds like you’re complaining that he’s not acting how YOU think he should more than anything else.

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He's an elitist. He has disdain for the average citizen.

"As for authoritarianism, I'm all for it. 95% of people need to be told what to do, and how to behave" - Arnold

No wonder he supported George W. and praised Hitler.

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Like I said, he’s complex. I certainly don’t agree with all his views but I respect him for not pandering to a simplistic idea that all republicans need to have an unchangeable set of ethics and opinions.

I find it a bit rich that you of all people are admonishing him by mentioning Hitler when, with all due respect, your own attitudes that you share quite frequently align more closely to the Führer’s than any other person on this forum.

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I was never an admirer of Hitler. I don't know what you are talking about.

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Cool, cool. The constant anti-homo and questionable race related comments must have given me the wrong impression. Didn’t realise you were more a Harriet Tubman kinda guy. My bad.

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There is nothing wrong with opposing an insane society which glorifies homosexuality and is destroying the Western civilization and the White race with mass low IQ third world & incompatible cultures immigration. Nothing to do with Hitler.

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Hmm, I dunno man, sounds like it’s in a similar baseballstadion

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Yeah because that's how the leftist media and education system has brainwashed you.

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I like to think I’ve had the same ideals my whole life, and I dare say it’s a longer life than yours, so
I would argue that I’m not a product of your new, scary leftodemomonster agenda. Anywho, I feel this conversation is veering into too-worn territory and neither of us has a snowball in hell’s of changing the other’s mind so I’ll bid you a fond hasta la vista, baby 👋

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I don't know how old you are, but the left has dominated the media, education and entertainment industry for over 60 years, so I doubt your age is an argument for immunity.

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He was part-paid for T2 with a Harrier Jumpjet plane...constantly smokes cigars....and drives around in a hummer (alongside a fleet of other fuel-guzzlers) whilst preaching about the environment to others.

He's a fucking hypocrite (if you don't know what one is....try looking it up in a dictionary....or a mirror?)

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What exactly makes me a hypocrite, buttinski?

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Championing a fellow hypocrite for being (Quote) "environmentally aware"

When he clearly isn't.

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Firstly smeagal, I wasn’t championing him for being environmentally aware, I simply stated that his public comments show that he believes he is. Secondly, that doesn’t make me a hypocrite since I made no comment about my own views on the environment. That’s like me assuming that you live in a cave where you eat fish heads and stroke your precious ring.

Wait, okay then, we’re even.

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so much toxic masculinity, macho guy.

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I don't see the relevance of any of the points you mention. He's been a climate advocate for many years, and he's been critical of Trump since Trump started his ridiculous campaign. And while it certainly doesn't take a tough guy to attack Trump after all he's done, you'd have to be pretty weak not to.

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Trump's campaign wasn't ridiculous. It was based on completely legitimate grievances such as tolerance for illegal immigration and the cost if it, outsourcing of jobs, the concentration of power in the political establishment etc. Trump didn't keep his promises, but that's irrelevant as Arnold attacked him before he became president.

Arnold was always an elitist scumbag praising people like Hitler, hanging out with people like Warren Buffet and Lord Rothschild while having contempt for the average citizen.

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Trump's campaign wasn't ridiculous. It was based on completely legitimate grievances such as tolerance for illegal immigration and the cost if it

Which was a complete fabrication. There was no tolerance for illegal immigration, Trump just said there was. And you believed him. Hillary also ran a campaign on stricter border security, and that's where that idiotic wall came from: Trump had to up the ante. "Yeah? Well, I'm gonna build a friggin' WALL, you can't top that, can you?"

A wall, by the way, which would never affect the flow of illegals, because most illegals come in through legal check points.

outsourcing of jobs,

Which increased under Trump.

the concentration of power in the political establishment etc.

Which Trump only concentrated more by ensuring his goddamn FAMILY held key positions in the administration. "Drain the swamp" was such a ridiculous blowhard campaign premise - all slogan, no substance. But people want to be deceived.

Trump didn't keep his promises, but that's irrelevant as Arnold attacked him before he became president.

It was actually Trump who attacked Arnold first, and for no reason other than to fan his own ego. I'm not aware of any attack Arnold has made, however, which hasn't been on point.

Oh, there's one, though. After January 6th, Arnie likened the coup attempt to Kristallnacht - that's ridiculous. A comparison that makes no sense at all. However, it was eerily similar to Hitler's failed Beerhall Putsch.

Arnold was always an elitist scumbag praising people like Hitler,

Except he hasn't, though. I think I know what your source is, but go on.

hanging out with people like Warren Buffet and Lord Rothschild while having contempt for the average citizen.

You are probably not aware, but the Rothschilds are Jewish - which is quite incongruent with your previous insinuation that Arnold is a nazi.

Also, contempt for the average citizen? Where'd you get that?

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There was no tolerance for illegal immigration, Trump just said there was


Ever heard of sanctuary cities? Hillary and Obama were against illegal immigration way back in 2008 before they changed their tune. You're totally wrong on that one.

Which increased under Trump.


I never said Trump was sincere. I only said the movement behind him was legit. Look at my original post.

Which Trump only concentrated more by ensuring his goddamn FAMILY held key positions in the administration. "Drain the swamp" was such a ridiculous blowhard campaign premise - all slogan, no substance. But people want to be deceived.



Same anaswer as before.

It was actually Trump who attacked Arnold first, and for no reason other than to fan his own ego. I'm not aware of any attack Arnold has made, however, which hasn't been on point.


I clearly remember Arnold making an anti Trump Youtube video before Trump became president.

Except he hasn't, though. I think I know what your source is, but go on


He has. He said Hitler was great leader and a great public speaker, but that he did not like what he did with his power. Arnold is an authoritarian.

"As for authoritarianism, I'm all for it. 95% of the people need to be told what to do and how to behave" - Arnold

You are probably not aware, but the Rothschilds are Jewish - which is quite incongruent with your previous insinuation that Arnold is a Nazi.


I never said he was a Nazi. (He couldn't be that and be successful in Hollywood). I said he was authoritarian and elitist. The plot to make him governor came from Warren Buffet and Lord Rothschild.

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Ever heard of sanctuary cities?

Which have zero to do with border security.

I never said Trump was sincere. I only said the movement behind him was legit. Look at my original post.

When Trump was campaigning, illegal immigration was at an all time low. Trump played on the irrational fears of right wing nut-jobs, exaggerating dangers of policies he opposed and exaggerating the benefits of the policies he proposed. His entire campaign was a sham, with extremely few legitimate concerns. This is essentially what he campaigned on:

Obama policies bad!
Foreigners bad!

That's pretty much it. Trump was a populist without any actual politics himself. He made note on the concerns of his base, and capitalised on it - essentially saying "YOU guys have got it exactly right! YOU have correctly identified what's wrong with the country and what needs fixing. I have made the exact same observations myself, and I will be your guy."

That's why you will hear Trumpists fawning over him saying "he tells it like it is" - when what they should be saying, if they were intellectually honest, is "he says what I want to hear".

I clearly remember Arnold making an anti Trump Youtube video before Trump became president.

Perhaps he did. But if he did, he would attack Trump's qualifications and policies - and what's wrong with that? Trump was the one to start with personal attacks.

He has. He said Hitler was great leader and a great public speaker, but that he did not like what he did with his power. Arnold is an authoritarian.

Not quite. Here's what he actually said: "I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for his way of getting to the people and so on. But I didn't admire him for what he did with it." Nothing in there which is pro-authoritarian. Hell, there's nothing in your version of the quote which is pro-authoritarian.

Your second quote is also tampered with:

"As for authoritarianism, I'm all for it. 95% of the people need to be told what to do and how to behave."

No, that's not what he said. Here's what he actually said:

"My relationship to power and authority is that I'm all for it. People need somebody to watch over them. Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave."

See the difference? If you don't, why did you feel the need to alter the quote?

I never said he was a Nazi.

I never said you did. I said you insinuated it - which you totally did.

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Which have zero to do with border security.


Not true. The fact that illegals know they will not be persecuted in sanctuary cities INCENTIVIZES them to cross the border. Boy you are stupid.

Trump played on the irrational fears of right wing nut-jobs, exaggerating....


Nonsense. It was only low compared to previous years, in absolute terms it was still high. Illegal immigration has tremendous negative economic, crime, political and cultural consequences for the country. In no other country in the world illegal immigration is tolerated and there is such thing as sanctuary cities. It's FUCKING ILLEGAL DUDE! There shouldn't even be a debate about this. Politicians who tolerate illegal immigration are traitors. Period.

Not to mention the fact that the entire ruling American class has betrayed American people by outsourcing their jobs, sending them to foreign wars for Israel and big corporations and replaced their labour with cheap immigrants that dilute their wages, have 8 children and commit crime. If it was any other country the working class revolt would have started a long time sooner. Trump movement was perfectly legitimate.

Populist politicians exist in every country and they almost NEVER win elections. If they do, it's usually an indication that the elite has lost touch with ordinary citizens. Even liberals Chris Matthews admitted there was some justification behind Trump the night he won.


No, that's not what he said. Here's what he actually said:

"My relationship to power and authority is that I'm all for it. People need somebody to watch over them. Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave."

See the difference? If you don't, why did you feel the need to alter the quote?


I did not alter the quote, I was paraphrasing it. It's the same thing. In what world is saying that 95% of people need to be told what to do isn't controversial and authoritarian??

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dementia

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He got old and fat and was discovered having slept with a housekeeper years ago.

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