And I'm all for men's rights and against this ridiculous notion that women never lie about sexual abuse or domestic violence.
But this just doesn't pass the smell test. She couldn't have invented all that testimony. It looked legit to me and Depp's lawyers used badgering and legal gimmicks to confuse her.
This is another case of wealth and celebrity privilege trumping justice.
Some of it was probably true. Which is the reason they both were deemed responsible. She was just more responsible. She was not an innocent party. That much is evident.
shareSure, in most disputes between a married couple there is fault on both sides.
Fools are saying her is career is over and I hope that's not true. But Depp does have industry clout.
Well he does have more clout. I think his career is going to recover somewhat now. Amber though will be judged on that column she wrote. She will be looked as the woman who got Johnny Kicked off of two Lucrative and popular franchises. For all of Depps Faults.(his drug and drinking problem) He did enjoy doing those two franchises. There are several videos of him in character entertaining kids on his own time.
shareI don't think either of them won by airing all their dirty laundry in public.
Seriously, why don't these self-entitled creeps ever STFU?
Johnny certainly is better off, though that allegation will never go away for people such as yourself. How can he shut up when someone is defaming him and he has lost work over it? I think many can relate in clearing one's name especially in their profession.
Last if you're so triggered over it, this forum is the last place you should be. You seem pretty invested over the matter, lol.
Lol. If Depp makes a good movie I'll go see it. This stuff matters nada to me. My main problem with this charade is that it was televised at all.
shareSeriously, does your brain even have synapses?
JD lost everything before the trial. Now that the truth is out and a LOT of people like him again there is chance he will be back on stage.
No. Depp was deemed responsible for defamation, because his lawyer carelessly accused Heard and her friends of trying to stage a hoax for the police. He was not found in any way guilty of the alleged abuse, because as it turns out Heard had zero proof to show of it ever actually taking place.
shareYou find it difficult to believe. But it's not a belief thing. It's a proof (or lack of) thing. She lied, she pretended to cry, she contradicted herself. It was a mess.
shareLegally she couldn't prove the abuse. I just suspect knowing human nature that there were two sides to the abuse in that marriage. And men are bigger and stronger than women.
shareTo me, height and weight comparisons don't mean anything here.
A small woman can still punch or hit a man (like she admitted on the recording). It doesn't mean the man will necessarily retaliate. Now if both exchange punches as in a boxing match... of course the advantage goes to the man. But that rarely is the case in a DV dynamics.
Verbal abuse is also a facet of domestic violence. The (false?) accusations and the defamation can be an extension of that.
One doesn't need to be bigger and stronger to crap on the bed of his/her partner. Domestic violence has lots of ways to express itself.
Knowing human nature also... I know some women, probably because they are smaller and weaker than men, will use every other way to hurt them if that's what they want to do.
Also, very rare are the metoo cases where no one else came forward before or after a star has been denounced. Amber Heard is the first and last person to ever accuse Johnny Depp of domestic and sexual violence. And he's had LOTS of girlfriends. Most of them have nothing but good things to say of him. Are they all lying to cover him? Even Ellen Barkin, on the witness stand, who was visibly bitter about him, said he never raised an hand on her.
All this makes you wonder after a while.
Emotional abuse nor verbal abuse favor "bigger" or "stronger".
shareOne of her claims was that she had a broken nose which she never provided medical records for and supposedly covered it with make-up. A bruise can be hidden. A broken nose is a bit hard to believe.
shareLOL. . .you sound like someone who's never had their nose broken.
shareSo when you broke your nose, you went around wearing make up?
shareI've broken it twice. First time, went to the ER and waited about two hours. Finally a first year resident came out, glanced me over, then told me to go home and come back in a few days when my nose became "more sticky" (???).
I came back, and the explanation was that my nose had to "set more" before they "re-set" it. Shrug. Another first year resident took a metal two-pronged instrument, placed it in my nostrils, and moved my nose around until he thought it looked reasonable. Put a soft cast on my face and told me to go home and be careful.
The second time I broke my nose, I went into the bathroom of the gym, looked in the mirror, and moved it as carefully as I could back to where it looked right. Went home, and was careful for a couple weeks.
I didn't wear makeup either time.
So then we agree her story doesn’t add up.
shareIf that's what you got from my post, it's not gonna be useful to try to explain basic logic to you. Good luck in life.
shareWell let’s see. You went to the hospital, thus there are medical records. People go to the hospital for that sort of thing ESPECIALLY if you’re a pampered Hollywood actress whose career is partially based on looks. Goes double if you are actively gathering evidence of an abusive husband. The fact she never went to the hospital is suspect. There are far more serious injuries and one doesn’t have to go to the ER or anything but in her case, it makes no sense that she didn’t.
Additionally, you mentioned how your nose had to be reset, meaning it was probably misshapen. I imagine some swelling and maybe broken skin was also involved? Not the kind of thing that becomes invisible with a little make up. Another reason her story was bullshit.
So yes, you just proved that I was correct even if you don’t realize it.
Impressive how much stupid you packed into one reply. Not gonna waste my time going point by point, but briefly: NO, there were no "medical records" the second time I broke my nose. Lots of blood, but no broken skin Either time; minimal swelling. A normal functioning human could extrapolate from there, but again: it's clear the effort would be wasted on you. Finally: the things you find "suspect" say more about your general paucity of knowledge than any legit suspicion.
Again: best of luck to you, as you careen through your blissful journey.
You went to the hospital the FIRST time, though, doofus. That’s why there are medical records of you going to the hospital. Just because you didn’t go to the ER the second time around, it doesn't make that shit go away. I assume you don't have a drug-addicted husband smashing your face in all the tine so getting receipts wouldn’t be important either.
And again, you are not a pampered Hollywood princess, although you do act like one.
Honest reply:
1) "Doofus" made me laugh. . .in the middle of all this
2) It seems like not only have you never broken your nose, you've never been to an ER
3) Therefore you don't know how "medical records" work
4) Abused/abuser relationships COMMONLY have no "receipts". . .again, for multiple reasons
5) Most importantly: I'M NOT SIDING WITH EITHER OF THEM. What you lot don't seem to understand is that we'll simply Never Know. And pointing to something like her behavior after a (purported) broken nose is absurd. Because there as COUNTLESS ways that could've gone.
Some of which I've explained.
I love how it took you three days to figure out a response. Anyway, I have never broken my nose (weird flex that you keep talking about this like it's the pinnacle of human achievement to have had multiple broken noses and that anyone who hasn't is some lesser being) but I have been to the ER and have had surgeries and other medical matters. Guess what? I can provide proof of those things happening. So yes, I am aware of medical records. Keep in mind, Depp's lawyers also know how this works which is why they brought this up.
As for the Amber's status as an abuse victim "never getting receipts", that's just false. This is a girl who grabbed the camera any time Johnny fell asleep on the couch after one too many drinks. She was constantly trying to get proof of abuse. You're telling me she never thought "Hey, it might be good if I can verify my broken nose"? Hell, a fucking photo would have sufficed. She took a photo of a small bruise on her cheek which has since been proven to be photoshopped but she never got a pic of that broken nose? And, once again, this is a rich, spoiled Hollywood actress who can A) afford to go to the hospital despite America's shit healthcare system and B) needs to stay hot in order to get work so getting her face smashed in could be detrimental to her ability to continue making movies. She's gonna go to the hospital if something happens to her face if for no other reason than her enjoyment of getting paid.
Finally, once more, all she did was slap make-up on a broken nose to hide it. Even your internet-tough guy story involved you resetting your nose. She never did, according to her testimony (and in fact, someone down below posted the full video where she also thought she had a concussion... and that's definitely something hospital-worthy). She just put on some make-up and went to a talk show looking like this: https://greenlemon.me/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Amber-Heard-grilled-for-fresh-pictures-after-alleged-abuse-4-1024x540.jpg
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shareYou're trying to convince us you can cover up a broken nose with makeup?
share" then told me to go home and come back in a few days when my nose became "more sticky"
"took a metal two-pronged instrument, placed it in my nostrils, and moved my nose around until he thought it looked reasonable. Put a soft cast on my face and told me to go home and be careful."
So you do realize that the first time no make up would cover that???
And do you sincerely think that Amber, who recorder every fucking thing, would miss the opportunity to go to the hospital with a broken nose??? And that she would fix her nose in the bathroom?? An actress that makes money based on how she looks???
"So you do realize that the first time no make up would cover that???"
I initially thought you were trolling, but now I see you really Are challenged. Let me slow it down for you even further: THAT'S WHY I GAVE TWO EXAMPLES. The treatment, reaction, cosmetics, and perception for them were Vastly Different. For NUMEROUS reasons.
A thinking person could extrapolate from there, but. . .sigh. Sometimes I forget that they'll let Anyone use the interwebs. Ah well.
Yes idiot, and you extrapolate that Amber didn't go to the hospital with a broken nose BECAUSE you didn't the second time when you broke yours.
Do you have her medical history to know many times she had a broken nose??
You are an imbecile that thinks that because YOU didn't go to the doctor the second time then EVIDENTLY she, an actress that makes money based on how that nose looks, didn't go either to the doctor.
That's your fucking imbecile argument, imbecile.
she also slipped and said "bruise kit".
shareYou sound like someone who isn't a Hollywood actress.
shareWell, that's accurate.
shareWell yeah, it's extremely obvious. The idea that a Hollywood actress would set her own nose and not go to the hospital is laughable.
And she didn’t even mention resetting it herself as far as I know. She just slapped some make-up on it then went on live TV the next day.
shareThere's enough that points to her lying about this.
shareTo be clear: I'm not saying she's telling the truth. I'm just speaking to the (mistaken) notion that she HAS to be lying, because the scenario she suggests is so ridiculous. It's not. And people who insist it is, as I've explained, simply don't know what they're talking about. Because, to repeat: they haven't been there/done that.
shareAgain, you're trying to compare your own situation to that of a Hollywood actress (with a rather petite nose).
I do not KNOW if she's lying, but I think the chance she is, is higher than 90%.
I'm a woman who has fractured (not even broken) her nose twice and I went to the doctor. In both cases it was very noticeable as well.
"Again, you're trying to compare your own situation. . ."
No, I'm not. Read more carefully, or ask someone better at thinking than you to explain what I wrote.
"I do not KNOW if she's lying, but I think the chance she is, is higher than 90%."
What you "think" has no bearing on what I'm saying. And your random "90%" figure, while amusing, is completely indefensible. Facts don't care about your feelings.
"I'm a woman who has fractured (not even broken) her nose twice and I went to the doctor. In both cases it was very noticeable as well."
The cherry on top. You dismiss my example, then add in your own, and (hilariously) don't see how BOTH actually address what I'm (quite simply, actually) explaining.
You can go.
Dear god, you are an absolute idiot who fails to comprehend the very simple point I was making. You dismissed AP's comment solely based on your own experience as someone who has had their nose broken. I responded that based on MY experience as a woman and someone who did NOT set their nose on their own, that AP actually does have a very good point. She either went to the hospital or she didn't and set her nose herself like you did, which actually IS absolutely ridiculous.
Now please leave, because you're taking down the average IQ in this thread.
Um. . .no. Hilariously, you're too stupid to know just how stupid you are.
YOU fail to comprehend. I made the excruciatingly simple observation that the previous poster's assumption was wrong, because there are All Types Of Reactions to broken noses. As an illustration, I cited two in my own experience.
You then decided to tilt your head back and bray irrelevant nonsense about your gender, and differing experiences. Blissfully unaware that you were making my same point.
Breathtaking stupidity. Like I said: you can go. While amusing, you really are embarrassing yourself.
My point is that AP had a point with their comment, so your lame-ass reply to them made no sense...just like that lame-ass rant you just posted...
shareYou have no point. I've explained why multiple times, yet comprehension eludes you. My reply (rant? LOL) is simple enough for thinking people. No surprise you're having trouble w/it, as your bleating replies reveal. Please do Not Breed.
shareHey, bottom line you are an idiot to compare your situation with hers ...
shareNo, you're an idiot because you can't grasp that I'm Not Comparing Them. It must be exhausting for you trying to find the doorknob every morning. . .
shareBut that's EXACTLY what you are doing idiot.
you compare your situation to hers to try to somehow prove that she didn't go to the doctor with a broken nose because you didn't. It's fucking stupid.
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shareIt looked legit to you?
Even a casual observer could recognise how bad her acting was during large parts of her testimony. That's before you get to the other stuff like the lack of evidence.
All these comments about her "bad acting" are more about one's personal animosity towards somebody than reality.
shareTo me your denial of reality is more about your personal sympathy for Amber just because she is a woman and animosity towards the man because ... well, he is a man therefore guilty.
Typical leftists attitude/ideology.
Amber is not going to read your posts, think you are her white knight, contact you, etc. Get real.
shareThere's no two sides here. She pooped in his bed. 'Nuff said. I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy. She's getting off light. She should be guillotined. A courtroom trial is too civilized for her. She and Johnny should have rather settled this through trial by combat.
shareThose were not human feces. Amazing how can something be repeated ad nauseum and become truth.
share¿Cómo es que las heces de perro son una mejora con respecto a las heces humanas?
shareThat shit was bigger than the dog they had.
Depp: “They’re teacup Yorkies. They weigh about 4 pounds each,” he said. “I lived with those dogs. I picked up their funk. It was not the dogs.”
Do you have any proof btw?
https://guardian.ng/life/amber-heard-describes-poop-as-a-horrible-practical-joke-gone-wrong/
Feces as big as their dogs yet not human huh?
shareYou've seen it?
sharehttps://pagesix.com/2020/07/14/the-poop-that-ruined-johnny-depp-and-amber-heards-marriage
shareI don't read tabloids.
shareThere's pictures of it on tons of different sites and on YouTube from video of the actual testimony. I just posted the first one that popped up. If you're really interested in seeing it you have a plethora of different ways to see it if you really truly are interested in it (which I don't think you are).
shareYou know. As I read more things. As things come to light. I might be with you.
shareI'm not a big fan of Depp but it sure looked like Amber was caught lying several times, plus her actions of writing that Washington Post Op-ed AND saying she was donating money when she absolutely did not..these are things that will almost always sway a jury against the defendant.
I'll also add that presenting that sneak cam video of Depp slamming kitchen counter doors made her look like really slimy, that alone might have sealed her fate.
I don't know exactly what happened here, and I'm also going to say that I'm not sure that you are serious with this post. I'm sure Amber lied about some things. I dislike her very much and think that she damaged the MeToo movement for other victims. She has a history of violence herself. She testified to hitting Depp. No arguments there.
But.... what I find amazing is how Depp's history of not so great behaviour is just ignored. He has been arrested at least 3 times for violent behaviour; assault, damaging property, and threatening assault. People dismissed Ellen Barkin as a jaded ex, but her testimony was not out of character for what he was known for being like at the time. She also didn't claim that he hit her.
He also has another lawsuit coming up next month due to violent behaviour on set. So while Heard may have damaged his reputation, I think Johnny has done quite well damaging it himself.
Yes, Depp isn't an angel, he really seems like a bloated, drugged/drunk, pretentious man child. I won't go so far to say he got what he deserved but he did get exactly what I would expect when a rich celeb in his 50's is stupid enough to marry a late 20's woman. Not a lot of intelligent conversations with that pair I'll tel ya!
shareYou are correct, JD is no angel, but what was discussed here was if he did hit her or not, not his other actions.
I said I thought she lied. But I don't know that he never hit her.
shareWe don't know either.
But based on what we know and the evidence (and we know she is a liar ... ) it is more probable that he never hit her.
None of his other girlfriends have ever said that he hit them. You would think that if anybody would it would be Vanessa Paradis as she was with him the longest and he left her for Amber. Not even a betrayal of that magnitude got her to say that he hit her. The worst that any female that I've seen say about him is that old hagbag Ellen Barkin. She comes off as bitter because he stopped fucking her. And the only thing she could say was that while he was having an argument with "his people", NOT with her, that he threw a wine bottle across the room that landed in her vicinity. That's all she could say. Why bother at all? Bitter hagbag, that's why.
shareHe has been arrested at least 3 times for violent behaviour; assault, damaging property, and threatening assault. People dismissed Ellen Barkin as a jaded ex, but her testimony was not out of character for what he was known for being like at the time. She also didn't claim that he hit her.
I think the issue is that Depp has a tendency to lash out when he is intoxicated. Now, I honestly don't know if Depp hit Amber. Do I think that he may have thrown things at her and they may have hit her? Perhaps. Perhaps not. All I'm saying i that Depp is being painted like a saint, when I don't think he is at all. I think that his past partners who have defended him, didn't have that experience. I don't think they lied. They may have been more suited to Johnny's personality and not set him off. A couple of his exes have said that he was very controlling. That actually works for some people so some of his partners may not have had an issue with that. He may have struck Amber after she hit him? I do not think she is innocent. I think she abused him. I think she did cut his finger. I am just saying that I do not think that Depp is just a poor victim. I think that there are more male victims of domestic abuse out there than we want to admit. I just think in this case that they both abused each other.
shareThe thing is that Depp didn’t try to paint himself as a saint. He embraced his sins and that made him more credible.
And, in the end, we need to go with the evidence. The evidence virtually contradicted all of Heard’s allegations and virtually confirmed all of Depp’s allegations.
Depp is not a saint, but he didn’t abuse Heard. No one is a Saint anyways. You can be a flawed human being and still be a victim.
Abuse is not just hitting someone though. Being controlling is abuse. Throwing things or even hitting a wall can be abuse. It is also absolutely possible to have 2 abusers in a relationship. I say this because like I have said, I do believe that Amber abused Johnny.
And I'm not saying that Depp didn't deserve the 10 million that he got, as I don't think that he should have lost work because of a private matter between him and his wife. So I have no issue with him winning that, but I'm sorry, I don't think Depp is a nice guy at all, and while I don't know for sure what he did or didn't do in that marriage, I don't think that he is all that innocent when it comes to Amber.