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I'm glad that is now settled. Very interesting.

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Well, about 10% of what is written in The Bible is verifiable fact. The most recent statistics indicate 53 people mentioned in The Bible, without question, did exist.

There is no empirical basis for anything else in The Bible. Yes, this includes the concept of life after death, Jesus Christ, The Virgin Mary, The Book of Revelation, Noah's Ark, etc.

So, I guess 10% is enough.

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so you are saying noahs ark didnt exist because no one has found a wooden boat that existed over 3000 years ago?

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Hahah, I already know where this is going and I'm not doing it.

Believe whatever it is you believe, one is not here to argue about it.

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I just think its funny that if someone cant see something then they wont believe its real.

So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.”

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Not really, some people need evidence to believe.

Even Jesus Christ - there is not a single shred of contemporary evidence such a man existed.

In my view, his story being based on a person that actually existed is a 50/50.

It's just as likely Paul made up the entire story, as did the 4 writers of the gospels many years later.

And just so you know, when Paul did mention "Jesus" - whomever it was, it was 20 years since his death. This was practically a generation in those days. IOW, it's very possible everyone Paul knew 20 years prior was gone - thus no one could challenge what he wrote. This among many other reasons is why his entire story could have (in reality) existed only in his imagination.

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Noah's Ark is resting on top of Mt Ararat. Fact check it

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Are you being facetious???

Or do you really believe the actual Noah's Ark, the one mentioned in The Bible, does in fact sit atop Mt. Ararat???

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Yes, Noah's Ark does in fact sit on top of Mt Ararat. Google it

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Nope! The question asked was rephrased in a biased way favoring a Christianity answer.

I asked AI 3x and it refused to answer unless I rephrased it in the specific way they wanted which would be biased. When I asked Which religion had the most evidence IN GENERAL, it refused to give me an answer. Total cop-out!

When I Google the question, Buddhism comes up.

Buddhism wins since some of it can be supported by science.

Too much of Christianity never happened liked Noah and the Ark, Moses exodus from Egypt, Adam and Eve, etc.. Many fairytales borrowed from other cultures. The philosophy about treating each other with kindness is great, but practically no one follows it especially those in power.

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"When I Google the question, Buddhism comes up."

Which is an entirely different discussion, make your own thread about that. Nice temper tantrum though.

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Nope! Same discussion. AI doesn't answer the question. Google does.

BTW, you're projecting YOUR temper tantrum onto me, my little grouchy MC chat-buddy. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this fine morn?

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It doesnt change anything in the OP. Thanks for playing.

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The biased OP?

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https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/6738af84b552f53776eafac1/Trump-garnered-the-support-of-a-remarkable-1-in-3-voters-of-color

Thoughts?

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You're trolling. Desperate ploy from you.

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1 in 3. Read it and weep.

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Wow! You're REALLY old or a liar, to say that much of Christianity never happened.

Since you're known to be MC's liar in chief, I'm betting that you're not that old.

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Any mention of Christianity or Jesus drives her nuts. Very much like throwing holy water on Linda Blair.

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"Noah and the Ark, Moses exodus from Egypt, Adam and Eve"

You seriously believe these stories happened? ROTFLMAO!!

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Ooooohh! A fringe kook, LYING leftist who is too "smart" for God. I guess we'll find out, eventually.

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Stories about Noah & the Ark and Adam & Eve originally came from the Babylonians and were adapted by Ancient Hebrews into their own religion.

Moses never happened which is why there is no record of him. Furthermore, Jews were never enslaved in Egypt. Egyptians kept careful records. No slave records. No exodus. Pyramids were NOT made from straw and mud or they wouldn't have lasted for millennia. They were made from limestone.

They're all very nice fairy tale stories.

Use your noodle. All earth's animals are not going to fit on one ark. That's dumb! Do you think Noah traveled to the Americas, Asia, Europe and Africa to collect all animals?

Btw, you're the least Christian person on this site considering your belligerent attitude. What part of the Golden Rule don't you comprehend?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Least Christian, lol! You just proved that you know NOTHING about Christianity. Believe it or not, I pray for you.

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Yes. Believing everything created itself out of nothing for no reason is definitely "using you noodle" and a lot more believable, LOL!!!

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Believing everything created itself out of nothing for no reason


But science does not say that everything that exists came from 'nothing'. It says rather that there is always 'something'. (In fact to say that nothing 'exists' is meaningless if one thinks about it for a second) There is though no logical reason why there cannot be something permanent in nature which can provoke something more. At least, pace Occam it would be the simplest explanation for things and does not require a whole new level of reality to explain things. Also, I think you are confusing 'reason' with 'determination' the latter of which implies a purpose.

Greetings from the reality check desk at Atheist Central.

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I knew you would trot out a version of "the universe/space is eternal", but according to this line of thought, God cannot be eternal. By the way, this "theory" is no where near settled or proven.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2012/04/24/186577/mathematics-of-eternity-prove-the-universe-must-have-had-a-beginning/

Acting like you KNOW, is ridiculous.

FYI, none of your "ideas" exclude the possibility of God.

Reality check, me arse.

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I knew you would trot out a version of "the universe/space is eternal", but according to this line of thought, God cannot be eternal. .. FYI, none of your "ideas" exclude the possibility of God.


Actually by this line of thought a deliberate supernatural, eternal or not, is, well, just not required. (Aquinas' famous Proofs of god can be construed as mostly arguing equally for both notions, for instance.)

By the way, this "theory" is no where near settled or proven.


It is just as logical, settled or proven as the idea of a Creator, a preferred deity, supposed to have the same qualities as the permanent in nature. Is there any reason why one must reject something out of hand that is wholly natural but permanent, over a deliberate supernatural with the same qualities? Evasion will be noted.

Acting like you KNOW, is ridiculous.


All I know is that the same logical arguments can held in favour of both theories, but the one I favour is more simple and wholly natural - and the natural is something we certainly do know exists. Thank you for the link btw, but I am not arguing that the universe per se is eternal, merely a wholly natural, permanent cause of universe(s) is just as arguably, logically speaking, as any preferred supernatural one. And you don't KNOW different, do you?

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Neither of us KNOW and that's my whole point. Respect goes a long way.

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That's good then we both agree. I respect people, who have rights but necessarily their ideas and beliefs, which don't.

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I'm sure you have plenty of ideas that I would vehemently disagree with, but I respect your right to have them.

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The same here. I would march with you, shoulder to shoulder, for your right to freedom of expression and think what you want. But that would not stop me laughing at those ideas at the end of the walk.

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Yahweh never happened. Christ never happened. People who try to take holy texts at face value are only making themselves dumber. That's simply not the way people taught spirituality back then. Every single bit of it is meant to be heavily interpreted.

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And you KNOW this, how?

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Because I interpreted for myself and came up with usable philosophical information. I compared it to the inaccurate historical information you get from taking it literally, and deduced that one interpretation was superior to the other.

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You didn't answer my question. All you did was attempt to justify your OPINION. How do KNOW there is no God? I'll save you the trouble. You don't. It's your OPINION, Nothing more.

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I consider it a fact that the Bible was never meant to be taken literally. Nothing written in it ever happened. Not the 7 day creation, not the flood, not the tower of Babel, not the firebombing of Sodom and Gommorah, not the massacre of the Caananites, not the virgin birth, and not the resurrection. Nothing.

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I consider it a fact that the Bible was never meant to be taken literally.


Says who? Atheist/liberals?

Before you say it, I know some "churches" say such things, but they're not based on anything Biblical.

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Modern Christianity claims Jesus and Yahweh are the same person, that he sacrificed himself to himself as a loophole to circumvent his own rules. That's not based on anything Biblical.

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It actually is. Jesus said many time that He and The Father are one and came to die for the sins of the world.

https://www.christianityeveryday.com/bible-verses-that-say-jesus-is-god/

https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_died_on_the_cross_for_our_sins

Have you read the Bible?

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Literally none of that says Jesus is Yahweh. Lord, God, and Lord God have different meanings.

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"The Father (God) and I are one."

It doesn't get any clearer, but believe what you want.

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You're too ignorant to understand that language comes from cultural differences and not the Tower of Babel?

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Good luck being too "smart" for God.

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I beat him in Chess yesterday.

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LOL!

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Jesus said many time that He and The Father are one and came to die for the sins of the world

“If I bear witness of myself, my testimony is not true” John 5:31

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Don't stop there. Keep reading.

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Thank you I have.

"What does John 5:31 mean?

According to Jewish legal procedure, a person could not testify alone on their own behalf. A creative liar can make up anything. Nor could a single witness establish facts, for the same reason. Rather, in a courtroom setting, two or three witnesses were required"

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Like I said, keep reading.

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Like I said, I have.

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How do KNOW there is no God? I'll save you the trouble. You don't. It's your OPINION,


This is true (and as such the assertion is the dividing line between 'hard' and 'soft' atheism). Of course the same can be said for the faith that your preferred deity exists.

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Like I said, believe what you want, but ridiculing other who don't share your OPINION is the mark of a child.

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A slight diversion from the fact of reasoned disbelief, this and I see you do not dispute my point. I agree that attacking others and not what they say is not productive. But tell me why, exactly, in a free society one should not be able to criticize and yes, even ridicule, religion?

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Whatever helps you sleep at night. Be better.

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Thank you for you not disagreeing with what I said. May your god go with you.

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The bible isnt open to private interpretation. This is one passage that protestants ignore.

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I interpreted the passage about interpreting as meaning to be interpreted.

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The bible isn't open to private interpretation


True enough,

2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.

Says that. But the problem then still arises that, because religious scriptures are made up of words, they do need to be interpreted. Saying that you take it literally tells us nothing unless there is only one way to interpret the words. Usually there are many ways. The most obvious example of that is when we can see Biblical literalists disagreeing with those who see some scripture as more metaphorical or fabulist etc. In fact wars and deaths have happened over competing interpretations,

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Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.


This is regarding moral laws. The bible first and foremost is a guide to salvation for Christians.

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We were not talking about prophecies as such.

As far as moral laws are concerned, I am sure what you say about Christians and their Bibles is correct but it is still true that what the Bible says is often interpreted different ways by different Christians who often justify things by creative exegesis and special pleading. I ought to know, I have often debated such people.

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OK but what specifically is your point?

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Here, it is that one can easily make a case for many indeed making their own interpretation of part of the Bible at least, while because of the nature of much of the text, this ought hardly to come as a surprise.

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Yeah your point is irrelevant to my point. My point was about practicing Christians interpreting moral laws for themself.

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And is there any evidence that they don't? For instance your Christ had strong words about divorce and said nothing about homosexuality. Yet among many believers the former is acceptable while among some the latter is condemned. Or in early days some believers used the Bible to justify slavery.

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"And is there any evidence that they don't?"


You're trying really hard to make an argument for something I'm not supporting. I never said they dont. I said the bible [god's word] does not allow it.

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A good many of your fellow believers then need a good talking to lol

eg

https://www.biblestudywithrandy.com/2015/09/why-do-we-have-to-interpret-the-bible/

And to reach your view don't you have to interpret (understand) what your alleged deity means at the start?

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You think they would listen to me when they wont even listen to their creator? That's rhetorical.

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No I don't. But that is not my problem is it?

Also Biblical Prophecy itself is a vexed issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAChristian/comments/vaa6av/biblical_prophecy_is_not_proof_of_its_divine/

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Then we have the words of

Deut 22:18 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.

which, at the very least assumes that not all prophecies are to be trusted. False prophecies cast doubt on all biblical claims. If one verse in the Bible is wrong, it’s possible for many verses to be wrong. As I say, to get round this. some resort to interpretation: creative exegesis and special pleading. Not a good look.

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You want me to read why some redditors dont believe in God or the bible?

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No, I want you to keep an open mind and recognise the, quite reasonable, objections.

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"at the very least assumes that not all prophecies are to be trusted. False prophecies cast doubt on all biblical claims. If one verse in the Bible is wrong, it’s possible for many verses to be wrong."


LOL. So I should take your word over God's? Be serious.

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See above where I quoted Deut. It is not just me saying that not all prophecies can be trusted. Where does your deity specifically say that all prophecies are to be, anyway? If not, then some prophecies can be interpreted as false.

For instance: John 14:13-14. Jesus promises: “Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” Everyone knows there have been millions of instances where Jesus failed to respond to Christians who asked for things in his name. And the graveyards are full of people who prayed to him for health. You can take my word for that over 'God's'.

Or where your JC rashly promised to return again 'before this generation passes away'. Another failure in what no less a person than C S Lewis interpreted as "the most embarrassing verse in the Bible". That's serious, alright.

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Do you know how many witnesses saw Christ after the resurrection? There were numerous people who saw him alive.

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Numerous people saw Elvis after he died. Numerous people saw 2pac. Numerous people saw aliens. Numerous people saw Bigfoot.

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There were hundreds of people who saw Jesus alive after his death.

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Hundreds of people saw Spider-Man in New York. The comics tell all about it.

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Stop ruining stuff for me.

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You sure showed me.

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I’m still getting over that Elvis is dead 😞

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WHAT WERE THEIR NAMES?

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Brian.

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Wewease Bwian!

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There were hundreds of people who saw Jesus alive after his death.


Well the bible writer would say that, wouldn't he?

Odd how no other contemporary writers, not even the Jewish ones, mentioned this amazing occurrence at all - you would have thought it would have come up. Or, that every first account of the alleged Resurrection, as with all of the miracles, is found in anonymous (the names ascribed to the Gospels are traditional in origin) documents 3 of which stem from an earlier lost source 'Q' and were written to proselytise, literally decades after supposed events - and then, don't even agree with each other? That they are not a primary documents and so by definition just, well, hearsay?

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I was actually surprised to see that the answer here wasn't Buddhism.

Welcome back from your break btw.

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Yeah. The A part is much more important and accurate than the I part in the name.

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I've never seen anyone say that about AI but I really like that. I might have to borrow it sometime. 🙂

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Borrow away. I've probably unconsciously stolen it from someone else anyway. Just like how AI gets its 'creativity', I suppose....

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I wasn't expecting that. Usually people ignore the faith part of religion and get nasty when trying to make it look like all followers are nuts for believing in something you can't see or prove.

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Probably at least 95% of all religious people are good people, they're not nuts.

Unfortunately you do have the extremists (e.g. The 9/11 crew) - these people are nuts.

Indeed it is all faith based. If someone has faith and believes, fine by me.

Only thing one doesn't care for is anyone that tries to push religion on someone else.

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Yeah, if people want to join, they should do so by their own free will, no forcing.

My brother says there's an old Chinese proverb: "Never judge a crowd by the loudest voices. Always judge it by the quietest ones."

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Interesting thread. I asked ChatGPT the question myself and tried to phrase it in a way that minimized potential bias and external factors as much as possible. I also followed up with an additional question. Here are the responses:

ME:
Among the world's religions, which one has the most empirical evidence or data that aligns with or supports its claims, as assessed by the scientific method?

ChatGPT 01-preview:
The relationship between religion and science is complex, as they often address different questions about existence and experience. The scientific method relies on empirical evidence, testability, and reproducibility to understand the natural world. In contrast, religions often deal with metaphysical beliefs, moral values, and spiritual experiences that are not easily subjected to scientific scrutiny.

While some religious traditions make historical or factual claims that can be explored through archaeology or historical research, such investigations typically address specific events or practices rather than validating the overarching spiritual or supernatural claims of a religion. For example, archaeological findings may support the historical existence of certain places or figures mentioned in religious texts, but they do not confirm the divine or miraculous aspects associated with them.

No single religion has been empirically proven or disproven using the scientific method, as the core tenets of faith often involve elements beyond the scope of scientific inquiry. Therefore, it is challenging to assert that one religion has more empirical evidence supporting its claims than others when assessed strictly by scientific standards.

In summary, while certain aspects of religious traditions can be studied and understood through scientific methods, the fundamental beliefs and spiritual claims remain matters of faith rather than empirical evidence.

ME:
Which religion has the most evidence backing it. Just answer with the name of the religion please.

ChatGPT o1-preview:
It is not possible to definitively name one religion as having the most evidence backing it.

Screenshot:
https://imgur.com/a/1ZrrqfJ

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That's really interesting that the AI's response was to critique the premises behind your question rather than provide an answer in the context that you presented the question.

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chatGPT is woke as hell too.

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It is not possible to definitively name one religion as having the most evidence backing it.


Where there is evidence no one talks of faith.

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It's gotta be Hinduism, I get eaten by an orca, then I'm reincarnated as orca poop, and likely some other living things...

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Along with the notion of a cyclical universe that might be confirmed by science if is found that the universe ends as well as begins with the Big Bang.

I'd have picked Hinduism as well, but Buddhism borrowed those concepts while dropping some of the wacky polytheistic stuff (or at least did not emphasize them). Jainism, that was a reform of Hinduism, heavily influenced Buddhism (practices like Buddhists digging up worms so that they aren't hurt while gardening and are consistent in their philosophy of Ahimsa are derived from Jainism), and also contains concepts such as reincarnation, might be my second pick.

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Hinduism has that cool god Ganesh, often depicted as a pink elephant, apparently the patron of intellectuals, bankers, scribes, and authors. I always think he ought to have appeared on Sesame Street.

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Shiva would have made a good Cookie Monster.

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I vote Scientology, since the name is almost the same as science 🧬

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