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Misconceptions in films set in the past


Is there anything that Hollywood continually gets wrong in films set in previous times?

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I just watched Peggy Sue Got Married (86) a few weeks ago. Kathleen Turner's character was inexplicably transported back in time to 1960.

Francis Ford Coppola directed it (which is why I watched the film..Vibrant colors!)

All of the cars shown in that time period seemed brand new, none had any rust.

I haven't seen them awhile, but I'll bet American Graffiti (73) and Back to the Future (85) made the same error.

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Slight tangent:
Ironically, I had misconceptions about the past due to film and photography when I was 5 or 6 (1988/1989).

I totally thought "color" gradually became a thing prior to "black/white". Like a baby tree that grows and in many years would stand mighty tall with thick branches and lively leaves; I thought the same about "color". In '88, I thought things were much better and more colorful and so much more in focus, judging from my family photos and current films/tv shows of the time.

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Not folllowing you, here.

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My bad, I must have written this when my night meds were kicking in. haha

Yeah, when I was little I thought everything in the past was black and white because of old pictures I had seen. I also looked at more recent photos (prior to my birth), which were in color but faded. Then my little five-year-old mind compared all those photos to recent polaroid pictures, and I could see a progression of color and detail. Thus my conclusion was that the world used to be absent of color.

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LOL. That's sort of what I thought but wasn't sure. Its funny the notions we have at that 4-5 year old age. At that time, I thought cartoons were sort of their own alternate reality - that if you went to Disneyland, you would actually be able to interact with the 2-D cartoons somehow, remember seeing people dressed in the costumes and being very disappointed. When I think back, I tend to believe my thinking was more conventional & ordered, at that age, but this one simple memory reminds me that there were a lot of gaps in understanding yet to be filled in the young brain.

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At that age, I thought Godzilla was actually destroying Tokyo, and killing thousands with every step!

Which is why we don't let kids that age even walk across the street without adult supervision.

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Usually they try and impose social standards of the time the film was made on the era the film is set in.

Hairstyles are often wrong.

Probably doesn't happen now due to CGI but in the past military equipment in war films was usually "played" by stand in equipment. Sometimes they looked similar, sometimes not so much. In the second Iron Eagle film from the 80's they use the iconic American F4 Phantom II to stand in for Russian Migs! I mean, I know they couldn't get actual Migs but at least don't use a well known American plane.

I can't recall the film now but they used a British Wessex helicopter which they dressed up to look a little like a Russian Hind gunship helicopter.

In some films battle scenes can either look way too modern despite being set in the Middle Ages or they can look like they are from the past even if set in current times or Sci Fi, ahem Star Wars, the battle scenes look like WW2 dogfights. In Empire Strikes Back you get a trench warfare scenario and Return of the Jedi the battle on Endor looks like Vietnam Guerilla tactics.

Sometimes it can be funny.

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Revisionism is probably the biggest one. Attitudes largely accepted unquestioningly at the time are usually lampooned by 'the hero', who is completely immune from the culture of their age. In better films, that non-conformity will be presented as a process of illumination based upon challenging experiences.

It gets down to cartoons vs art.

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Yes that can also be annoying when the hero is more like a tourist from the future who critiques what they are seeing and starts to make friends and allies with those who are downtrodden.

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Yeah...or when the protagonist who is like a tourist from the future starts getting wise with people from the time the movie is set in.

Fine in a movie about time travel...terrible in historical fiction.

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Or how people from whatever time the traveler goes to are at the most bemused by this person but never really perturbed. In some periods of history, anything that would be seen as strange would be killed!

There is a show called "Outlander" where a British woman from WW2 goes back to the Scottish 1700's. Even in WW2 she is more like a modern woman but when she goes back in time she mouths off frequently and although she often suffers for it, she also gets away with it given the time period where she would simply be beaten into submission or burned as a witch.

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I just looked up The Final Countdown (1980) because I remember the Japanese Zeros weren’t actual Zeros (they were North American T-6 Texans) but I was reading as for the modern aircraft that the Navy gave the studio lots of access to the USS Nimitz.

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T6 Texan's got used a lot in films to play enemy aircraft. The US Navy also gave a lot of access for Top Gun where the enemy aircraft were the same aircraft that the Aggressor Sqn uses during training the F5 Tiger, except they painted it black which changed it's appearance a great deal.

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I remember watching a Mythbusters episode about the scene from "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" where Indy shoves a flagpole into the front wheel of a motorcycle driven by a Nazi soldier, and the thing goes flying. Turns out they weren't even using a 1940s motorcycle! It was a 1980s one "dressed up" to look like it belonged in the 1940s!

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I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me. You would think a 1940's or even 50's motorcycle wouldn't have been too hard to find back then.

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The existence of firearms is often completely ignored in movies set in, say, the 1400s.

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Women's hairstyles and makeup - it was especially bad in the 50's and 60's

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I thought the look in the 50s was quite timeless & chic - for both men & women. Then came the bouffants.

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The beehive?

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Oh definitely! The 80s could also be considered a bad "hair" decade as far as historical films went, because you saw anachronistic 80s perms all over the place, despite the style not existing before the 1970s.

The 50s and 60s were also great offenders in the female underwear dept. Didn't seem to matter what time period the film took place, the women wore bullet bras and corsets all the way under their costumes.

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LOL - so right about the bullet bras in films - especially some westerns - that was terrible.

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Another revisionist thing but generally speaking women weren't able to defeat men in hand to hand combat using weapons they probably weren't even able to lift at all or for very long.

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It would make more sense if the woman was clever and used tricks and smaller, lighter weapons used for distance, rather than facing the guy directly in combat. The guns, bows, arrows, and crossbows might make sense, but martial arts and heavy hand-to-hand weapons often do not, particularly claymore swords.

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Range weapons would make more sense as it doesn't matter how strong the user is, only how accurate they can shoot. The other thing they like to do now is have entire armies of female warriors, like in the Vikings TV shows. There may have been some Shield Maidens in Viking times but I very much doubt there were whole legions of them acting as special forces the way they like to depict them.

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It does get ridiculous after a while. I can admit there are some women strong and athletic enough to make footsoldiers, but the problem is, even in today's modern world, there are very few of them among female fighters as a whole. Most female soldiers do support work and long-distance fighting, rather than the heavy-duty ground fighting.

It would make more sense to have one or two mixed in with the men, because a few female vikings did fight, but they were unusual in that time period.

One thing they don't want to admit from that ridiculous "Woman King" film is that all-female regiment of warriors for the Dahomey tribe got their asses kicked by WHITE FRENCH MEN WITH BAYONETS in real life. So they aren't as badass as Hollywood wants you to think.

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Yes, the female Viking warriors would have fought alongside their men. In the TV shows they like to have them segregated as per modern Woke sensibilities and to highlight their virtue, ie "look we have all these female warriors!"

They also don't like to admit that the Dohemy tribe were the ones selling their own and other blacks as slaves. They even had a "Slave Walk" where they would make the slaves walk around until they forgot who they were. Economically the tribe started to suffer when the ahem WHITE ENGLISH decided slavery was wrong and banned the practice.

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Lingo and colloquialisms are often not period correct.

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Yeah, using the word "okay" in Pirates of the Caribbean was particularly dumb.

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Modern-style casual or romantic sex, in eras where birth control wasn't available. Yes, casual sex happened in those days, but not without fear of pregnancy.

"Game of Thrones" was the one show that got that right, when the straight men chuckled with each other about casual sex, they'd say "Put a baby in her, man", or chuckle about bastard children.

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