I am getting better.
Don't worry folks it would all be alright in the end.
shareIts not worth me being put off I agree but I just feel so empty and embarrassed. And I paid a bit of a price for it all unnecessarily too. For wanting to satisfy my curiosity.
I am also truly not sure that those people online had the right to consider that scene from the movie it and give me a hard time for questioning it, and calling someone else who disagrees bad.
They also missed the point big time with me NOT going on about the reality of the neighbouring subject, I just wanted to give it a rest, whilst this other one also caused a bit of mystery around me, and I treated it more like a movie trope than any real life serious or otherwise social issue, much to the DISMAY of SOME.
These people don't know you. Folk will say anything from the safety of their chair.
I'm pretty good at ignoring people, however, the main reason for me not being on social media is because it makes me feel shit about myself. Everyone is showing you their "perfect" life. So, I just don't use it.
If the site you mention makes you feel this way then don't go back there.
Hope you figure it out.
You are wasting your time - he won’t listen to you, he won’t learn from his mistakes and then in a few days time he’ll come on here and moan about the same things again.
shareIts more complex and complicated than that.
I also think at least one user there missed the point and he may even have been wrong about that scene being gender reversal "rape" and that one guy who disagrees is bad, I just feel embarrassed for myself in the situation.
Also I am not a bad person by any means, just a guy who at the time got confused and carried away in a cinematic fashion and OK I guess I asked wrong people for help here or there.
Its not even "that subject" anymore that matters. Or even all the film stuff in general...
I just feel empty by having been overexposed to certain bits of argumentative intensity and underexposed to calm, polite and helpful explanations. The fact that in that scene it was a pretty and vulnerable young girl who was also accused of being an instigator of a wrongful deed or maybe it was NOT it kinda threw me off track and this SURPRISE I haven't spelled to people OUT.
It was years ago, but I also feel embarrassed. I was also banned from there, but its a long story, but those messages remain. Sorry for how it all turned out ultimately.
On a totally different aspect, internet aside.
I have recently been wondering quite a lot about the meaning of life and my place in the world. But without having any de-facto real life ambitions along the way.
I wanted people sometimes to spoil and indulge me, but within limits of course. I often acted and spoke in mysterious ways, English not being my first language, and I wondered why the world is as it is. Even bad deeds I wanted to look at philosophically but alright...
And I actually wanted folks to tell me everything is alright. Understanding here, assuredness there.
Also, I truly kinda feel bad in a sense that, yes it is just a movie and to each their own, one guy claimed he thought it was it and that despite the ambiguity of that scene and the differences compared to common examples, "the matter" is undebatable. What's funny, in general I actually do agree but oh God...
And despite me putting effort into perhaps being convinced and calmed down etc, he was very direct and blunt and called someone who disagrees "bad".
I'm not being flippant here: have you ever consulted with a medic about the possibility that you're suffering from OCD or Generalised Anxiety Disorder? This inability to let go of trivial moments when you felt shame in the past could be a symptom of either (or indeed a couple of other disorders). If you're frequently in distress about such things, if it's having a negative impact on your day-to-day life, it might be worth having a word about a potential diagnosis.
I guess I'll have to. But it will take time, I am also a little financially lost these days. Not enough money.
shareAren't you living in the UK? NHS, matey. Make a GP appointment and tell them what you're going through. They'll be able to help you far better than a bunch of schmucks on a film site message board.
sharePlus, this situation of mine is unique in a sense that, for arguably one of my few cases in life ever, I felt worried and emptied for what someone else may have done in a fictional movie and if it is to be considered it but I also even at the time felt a sense of mystery and anxiety around it.
But what also got me upset was this - at no point did that one guy or someone close arguably told me to let it go and not worry, besides it being a movie and all that, and that perhaps well, a scene like this, slightly less than usual and ambiguous, may not have been it and many even agreed that he actually did consent to the act its just at the start he said no, but the way that scene was filmed and with many people these days deeply believing "no means no" its easy to understand why it MAY be considered it.
But the sheer bluntness of that guy etc, even 5 years later, put me off. I also talked a lot about it because the hype of it at the time on message boards was getting to me.
And I didn't spell it out. But one of the points I wondered a little was even IF that scene can be considered it legally and morally, if it really is still bad or almost as bad as traditional examples, given how the man apparently didn't suffer much in it if at all. But that one user did not even REMOTELY consider such possibilities of a debate.
And this is why I got upset today!
I just wish he for instance told me to relax and calm down and maybe even agree to watch the movie and think about it carefully.
After all, its also a little or if not, even in fictional scenarios, taboo and unfair like that to consider a chick a, you know, and maybe it totally wasn't it so... And of course its different if it was a guy etc, but again, I simply didn't want to spell it out at the time.
But for my uneasiness and uncertainty, I paid a bit of a price. Again, its the SITUATION overall that caused me to feel upset today.
May I just point out that there is no such thing as gender reversal sexual assault. I'm not reading your whole thread because it's a rabbit hole that I have no desire to go down. But to say the words gender reversal sexual assault...it's just offensive. It's offensive to men, because you are saying that only they should be capable of sexual assault and we know that isn't true. It also implies that it is different. Like a male victim from a female assailant cannot, or should not be viewed in the same way as a female victim of a male assailant. Sexual assault and rape, are just that. They are sexual assault and rape. Men can be raped by women. Men can be raped by men. Women can be raped by women. Women can be raped by man.
Please help, thanks.
It was gender reversal or if it was it in a sense that in it the woman seemed to be the perpetrator and the man a victim, that's all, its a description, not offense.
And also, I really wasn't sure if that scene was it. Yes I know all that stuff sslssg and also - I REALLY DO NOT WANT to become subject heavy.
Not to mention, I HATE rapists in general, they make my blood boil. But it usually involves male perpetrators whom I just gotten used to despise. And in that sense, I don't just look at it from victim's point of view.
And again, in that film, I simply wasn't sure if that scene was it and felt it wasn't.
And I actually wanted to look sometimes at that women by men aspect on its own as for own, I actually did wonder what it was like if I was in a situation and was a victim from it but other examples I also got used and could not imagine, hence I used that term and I saw it used too.
Plus, I also wondered if we should treat female offenders differently in a sense than their male counterparts. Both by law and morals and in other cases.
And even if what I say can sometimes be a little insensitive to victims, sorry, but overall THIS TOPIC IS TOO MUCH FOR ME AND I FOR ONE WOULD RATHER STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
THE POINT IS - THE OVERALL SITUATION ONLINE made me feel bad in general and THIS is what I need help for.
I also sometimes wondered philosophically about other forms of violence too and I didn't just want to feel as if sexual violence is the only kind that is bad, wrong, hurtful etc, different as it is.
Not to mention, in my family it was often a taboo topic to talk about, and I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW!!!
Plus, I also wondered if we should treat female offenders differently in a sense than their male counterparts. Both by law and morals and in other cases.
I wasn't simply sure if that scene from a movie was it, OK, please, let's NOT go there. And as I said before, this topic is too much for me and I don't want to discuss it here.
PLUS - OK maybe you're right but its just it made me wonder sometimes. Because women for one are not usually known to be perpetrators here. And it just got me wondering about it in that way when I saw it in the movies because I also got used to an enormous amount of revenge themed films here where for instance if the perpetrator was male, he would be violently killed or maimed for such act in vengeance, for one, but OK let's not go there.
"Thoughts like this are why men are so afraid to come forward."
That may indeed be partially true, but I feel like there's more to it than that, and its also perhaps a problem with law and society, but no offense mate, you've gone into this topic WAY TOO MUCH than I could bare, and many of these things I have always generally considered under harsh reality and no offense but I didn't want to discuss it in detail and become so subject heavy.
After all, many rape victims IN GENERAL are afraid to report the matters to the police as well, yeah its sad I know.
And I was actually thinking about something else here including mainly if that scene from Nymphomaniac was even it.
Plus, in real life those men also don't seek revenge against say their female assailants either but in cases where the male one is, you also see it.
The point really was being that I was a little unsure if that scene from the film was it but felt maybe it wasn't and I was not the only one.
You seem a lot more typical and rational than me in wanting to discuss the matter in general, I am a little too cautious and weary to approach it but that's me.
SO PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS THREAD SUBJECT HEAVY. And don't give me lectures on it here EITHER.
shareYou posted on a public forum. I have always been kind to you. Yes I have suggested that you get help and I will continue to. But you don't get to dictate how people respond to what you type.
shareOK I won't but still... And the point is different, plus as I said before, this topic was not the main point. And those other examples I actually know about too well and if seen in films for instance they would NOT cause a sense of mystery to me in any way, shape or form, point is I know.
shareBy the way, I will seek help yes. Also, because I really generally do despise the perpetrators here and its also a painful topic in general, and I know those things too, I am sorry but I am NOT the best person to talk about the subject rationally. It makes me angry for one too, speak better to someone else, you won't get anything out of me here.
And in the case of that one movie and one scene - again, I simply not sure was if it was it, but many believed it not to be.
The point is, I just got terribly upset today in front of family whilst feeling a sense of emptiness and embarrassment over past moments in life including internet.
But OK I will seek help.
Oh and murder and other forms of violence are wrong too, but OK, LET'S MOVE ON PLEASE.
You are way too patient for this.
shareI told you he wouldn’t listen.
shareSeriously, none of you guys who have been here a long time think this guy is trolling? You are all convinced he is for real?
shareDefinite Troll.
shareI dunno ,
I think he's real ,with some issues . probly needs help . but here's not really where to get it .
Either that or he's an "AI" , he makes about as much sense where I imagine the current level of "AI" is.
I have decided to put him on Ignore (a first for me) - life’s too short for this circus.
shareI just do that manually ,
when i see he's the thread starter i dont click it ,
when i see a reply of his longer than 2 sentences i know it will be incomprehensible so dont attempt to read it .
Although your way stops the multiple threads clogging up the gd board , so you get more real topic on one screen .
Earlier today though he posted a short readable clear thread about the tvTropes website . I was astonished .
His constant flooding of the boards annoys me - looking forward to calm waters.
shareWhy do longtime posters keep humoring him? I don't get it.
shareI know, and I do want to point out that after I stopped responding when he said leave me alone he did reply 5 more times.
shareYou’re wasting your time.
shareIt might not mean a great deal of anything nowadays to a lot of people, but also when it often let's say, just for example, involved male perpetrators as such, in movies, I have often learned to see, and they also WERE portrayed that way for the most part, as EVIL VILLAINS. And this made me think and have thoughts provoked in me as well. But OK I don't further want to go there, and sorry I shouted too, its just, again, I didn't want to make THIS thread subject heavy no matter the reality, including the use of one term, and yes I know a lot about it, but, OK...
share(Silently speaking - its a generally overall taboo subject for me, but I wondered if one scene from the film was even it, but was unsure, and on the internet, people didn't quite provide the responses I was looking for and may even have got it wrong, harsh reality of the matter overall and general nature of victimhood understood, not denied, but for brief argument's sake, notwithstanding. And if it was one of those other examples with male perpetrator, even if the scene may have been ambiguous, it wouldn't cause in me a sense of surprise, mystery and desperation and a desire for understanding as well as calmness and whatnot.)
I ALSO ruminated here on OTHER stuff like various bits and pieces of disciplinary authority I have experienced that I found spirit crushing a little bit. And for not understanding the world. And for having embarrassing moments in life.
And I simply myself wanted to come out clean and with my respectable reputation intact or at best, left alone.
P.S. Again, I respect the issues of victimhood and whatnot. But in SOME cases, I looked at certain matters or even their aspects from the point of view of general existence, perpetrators, laws and morals including that scene which also happened to be ambiguous, and let's not get too picky as for one, I also described it that way to show that it isn't one of those traditional examples where mostly it is the male perpetrator etc. And it also got me thinking about stuff a lot in various other ways too. Hence why I sometimes was picky to choose what, when and how to talk about things, general overall (and often harsh and sad) reality of the matter, or OTHER matters too, notwithstanding.
Dude! Turn off the computer, go outside, take a walk in the park. Look at the trees, listen to the birds, look at the bee butts sticking out of flowers. Talk to a stranger, and don't talk about yourself, ask them about themselves. Listen.
Nothing on the internet is real.