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On people who make it into Oxford, Cambridge, etc, top universities.


Or even American equivalents (Harvard, others) and world ones.

On a basic level, do those people HAVE to be EXTREMELY clever and get all A-s in their school end of year exams and those that finish them with degrees, are they also much better than us normal ones?

Do any of Joe Schmoes, Joe Averages and John Smiths out there with basic IQ levels and naive world views who mostly fail at school or struggle to get average grades even with say rich parents or not even STAND A CHANCE?

Cheers.

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Sure, us average guys (and girls and whatever other genders…) do pretty well if we find work, show up early and are a pleasant presence on the job…A smile and a good word goes a long way toward putting the coworkers and bosses at ease. Funny, I got a decent gig to earn some gasoline and weed money 20 years ago and it turns out I’ve stuck around because I suddenly found a wife, stumbled into a mortgage, wound up with a couple kids running around…All of a sudden this decent gig turns into the retirement scheme, the pension$, the TDA, the various bennies…the life. Just be your best at work, fancy colleges hardly mean shit.

I’ve amassed more wealth and benefits than I would have thought possible 25 years ago, I figured it was jail or poverty for me back back then but I saw an opening and I jumped into it.

I’m a community college and night course sort of guy btw, I paid for these degrees and my New York State license by mowing grass, painting sheds and shoveling snow.

Forget those fancy-boy schools, just find a good gig and work your ass off and be nice to the coworkers.

You can be a big operator at work, just handle yourself well and be kind $$$

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But then Oxford, Cambridge here in UK and Harvard in USA are meant to be like for really ultimate clever students with successes and top marks in all fields etc, so in order to attend a university of that calibre, one must do MORE than simply "pretty well" I believe. Right?

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Unless you want a job in some huge fancy Law Firm or you want to run for Congress absolutely nobody cares where you went to college over here in The States.

I mowed grass all day and took nonsense classes at night in a
sweaty T-shirt and dirty blue jeans…I ‘graduated’ with a 3.9 GPA for my Bachelor degree and 3.7 for my Master’s degree…what a load of nonsense it all was but it was the key to The Kingdom.

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True, but the very main point and gist of this thread are the requirements needed in order to GET in to those universities as they are considered tops of the tops of higher educational establishments. And about people who DO get into them and study there, which isn't everyone at all!

Its not really about getting jobs etc or "who cares what college" one went to if you catch my drift mate.

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You’d need very high grades mate.

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No. Deceit, manipulation and only the 'appearance' of kindness....phony.

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Again you attack without cause, this is more than a pattern with you, it seems like a mental illness.

Just remember the number 9…you know what I mean.

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I know you're a lying, absolute idiot when it comes to that absurd allegation. Who in the fuck are you to even claim to know who my favorite posters are here when I'm hard-pressed to know that number myself?

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9.
It’s true.

9 other polite MC posters that you
suck up to like a thirsty dog, 9 long-term Regs that you think like you…I’m too polite to share names, and I never will, but EVERYONE of note avoids you…PMs about your horrible attitude pour in like I got a leaky roof over here.

Nobody likes you, you are just a mean, cruel and a nasty piece of work!

We have some other creep here, intotothenight or whatever stupid handle he trolls with now…Even that mental patient goofball is preferable to you and your self-important bullshit.

The hard bitter pill you need to swallow is you are a constant, nasty presence on this site and NOBODY likes you.

…Serious talk, you are an old man, you should have figured this out by now.

You are a sad flabby old bum…No Woman or children to bury you, no legacy?
A tiny spider-infested cottage in Bumfuck Kansas is the ‘claim to fame
?’

You are a sad, lonely loser.

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This is such utter bullshit. I don't even interact with that many posters here on the chummy level you claim, much less with what you call "long-term regs", for that to be even remotely true. If I were to think of a "favorite", the only one that immediately comes to mind is GlenEllyn, and she's definitely not the type to be as two-faced and backbiting as you suggest.

As for the rest, it's your usual, sputtering, ranting, regurgitated garbage. For instance, your other obsessive allegation of my living in a "spider infested frozen cabin, hovel, cottage" (make up your mind), based on a couple of innocuous comments I've made about having a healthy wariness of the brown recluse. Most people in my part of the country tend to have that. It's also based on your paranoia of any arachnid you encounter and feel compelled to kill and which you've often posted about. You're a nutcase and should consult your "dude" Jesus about your penchant for fantastical lies.

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I don't even interact with that many posters here on the chummy level you claim, much less with what you call "long-term regs", for that to be even remotely true.

So you don't interact with that many people and yet so many people hate you? That sounds like a you problem.

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A twisted, distorted attempt at logic....your style. The posters I'm aware of that hate me are a select few, the ones I've often referred to as, "a sickening clique."

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If there's any twisted and distorted logic here it's you. You being "aware" of the posters that hate you and the actual number of the posters that hate you are two separate things. It's more than a select few.

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Recently you claimed you didn't hate me but now want to appear as a spokesperson for an alleged large number of posters here who supposedly do. Are you also suggesting you're not a member of that large group? Because then you're really talking out of both sides of your mouth, which is also your style.

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Spokesperson? I can read what people write about you. It's not rocket science.

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Now we're back to square one. It's the "sickening clique" that trash talks me. Big deal. A select few. Yeah it's not rocket science but you still keep trying to appear as some clever debater when you're really just a pretentious joke.

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There is no ‘clique,’ just a bunch of people that are sick of your endless sniping and ‘working class hero’ baloney.
These are mostly good people here, it isn’t the trolls PMing me about what an asshat you are.

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"working class hero baloney"

"I mowed grass all day and took nonsense classes at night in a sweaty T-shirt and dirty blue jeans..."

And then there's the absolutely ludicrous claim that puttering around on your riding mower is what "real macho" is all about. You have a weird fixation with cutting grass and somehow equating that with manliness.

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I actually did that.
I made a good pile of coin doing so lol.

And I puttered around on my sweet little Cub Cadet XT1 today and the yard looks splendid…My wife cooked a nice meal, the kiddos did their chores…it was a good day👍

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What is it with you and that stupid, overused thumbs-up emoji? Do you think you're the emperor in the coliseum?

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Why do you care what I do dummy👎

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Why are we arguing over here folks?

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db20db: "you, you, you, you and you are all morons."

Everyone: "What was that for? What's with your bad attitude?"

db20db: "You guys are a sick clique."

Everyone: "then why are you coming after us?"

db20db: "stop ganging up on me".

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I think he enjoys the attention.
He’s lonely and our ‘clique’ is his only company😥

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Bet that guy probably never made it into a university of those ilks haha, or has he? :)

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He's a strange man.

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But he never went to say Harvard, right?

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9.

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I'll take "numbers db20db can't count up to", Alex.

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That’s what’s so vexing about this turd, he appears to be sort of intelligent yet he can’t help lashing out angrily at passers by…It’s really weird.

I get why he despises me, we have a long and nasty history, but he attacks others just as stridently and with the same venom he spits at me (I deserve it, I have a long term hatred for the guy, that’s no secret, we truly hate each other.)

About two years ago a pretty cool new dude called Tim74 PM’d me about this nutjob db, he says he’s thinking of going elsewhere because of this abusive shitheel …I encouraged him to hang in there and fire back but nope, Tim74 jumped ship…This is all db does, annoy the regs and scares off the promising noobies.

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A few months ago I counted 7 attack on different users within a 10 day span. It's not even trollish behaviour, it's all-out mentally illness.

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I believe it, just look at his posting history, apparently
db thinks we are all ‘hypocrites, dog-pilers, cowards, sycophants, idiots, minions, liars’ and so on…he’s a sad, angry old boy.

I’d feel sorry and be kind to him but he’s just a nasty angry old coot so no dice.

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Nope. Once again, not "all", just a select few, of which you're the ringleader.

And for the record, you've now twice falsely accused me of using the word sycophant, which I know for a fact I never have, but come to think of it, it's very apt.

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The ‘select few’ is quite a good number of posters here cranky pants.

You have said ‘sycophant’ a number of times, are you getting the dementia?

Ringleader? I hold no sway over the numerous posters here that find you a distasteful, mean-spirited jerk.

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Lie. I've never used that word.

But I'll say this.....anyone who claims to be "super-heterosexual" has got to be homophobic and in the closet.

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No, you’ve used ‘sycophant’ several times.
As to ‘super-heterosexual’ I used that phrase as an obvious joke and everyone got it but you, apparently.

Keep squirming like the worm on the hook, you don’t have your good pal and obvious troll called ‘hey’ to back you up like you thought you did last night punk, I tore you both up and don’t forget it.

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You didn't do shit except talk shit.

"We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves." - Eric Hoffer - American philosopher

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You seem like a guy that talks to himself a lot, who else could deal with you 😄

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You admitted that you don't interact with many people here. So your "select few" is actually a lot.

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You're an idiot. You don't make sense.

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It makes perfect sense.

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That made perfect sense stupid, go tell the Nurse your diaper is soiled again.

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Well as I doubt there are any Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard etc graduates here how the hell would we know ?

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I don’t know about undergraduate admissions but I went to Stanford for graduate school. I remember you had to do real well on the GRE and have high grades from your undergraduate work from a university of sufficient standing. What helps a lots (at least for sciences and engineering) was to have prior research lab experience and already be published.

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You went to Stanford for graduate school. What does that mean ?

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From his post it sounds like he was pursuing a Masters in Science degree and likely a PhD after that. Stanford is EXTREMELY hard to get into, so he's probably pretty smart.

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He is. His posting history will attest to that.

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George W Bush graduated from Harvard. Does anybody really think he was a genius? Money gets you into those schools.

Your average Joe without rich parents may have a genius IQ but he goes to a public college.

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I think Littleboots went to Yale like his dad, and that was in the 1960's, but I think those schools have dialed down the "legacy" admissions from that era. I'm sure it still happens, especially in the "Business" school... it's all about rubbing elbows with the kids of other oligarchs...

Littleboots got a B.A. in History from Yale and and MBA from Harvard Business School.

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I'm very skeptical that any Bush kid would have trouble getting in Yale or Harvard in 2022, even if he had below average SAT scores.

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I don't think many people with "basic IQ" levels are getting into elite schools. Some people are just born with really powerful brains. On the flip side, a lot of those same people are deficient in people skills, so if they get into Harvard, graduate from Harvard, they'll get a good job right away, but they won't last long. Unless they're in STEM and are going to be in a laboratory with other people that are the same...

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Thom Yorke of Radiohead band for one went to Oxford.

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In the US at least, some elite schools will let in rich kids who aren't all that smart, if their parents make sufficiently large donations, or they have or had "legacy admissions". That is, if your parent went to that university then you could also go, which led to generation after generation of wealthy families graduating from Ivy League schools even if they weren't that smart.

Getting into Harvard might mean you're smart and hard-working, or it might mean you're rich and well-connected. Getting into MIT or Cal Tech just means you're smart!

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