We are allowing CHILDREN to decide what sex they want to be, EVEN BEFORE they experienced sexual activity?
We are letting CHILDREN,
with "minds not fully developed",
too young to comprehend or halfway understand sex,
too young to have/experience sexual activity,
too young to vote,
too young to join military,
too young to smoke, drink, or go to R rated movies,
too young to move out of their parents house,
too young to have responsibility over their own life and rely on parents LEGALLY,
decide what their SEX is and CHOOSE to get an operation changing it?
I just want to make sure I understand the issue correctly.
Did I sum it up right?
The erasure of parental authority is critically important to the far left, as loyalty to the family cannot outweigh loyalty to the State. See how quickly this turns into politics?
how does this make sense to ANY moron, though?
We don't let kids do all kinds of things bad for them, but cut off their pecker or swap their vag BEFORE they even get to experience it as is?? it's inhumane. let alone hypocritical about not letting children do things they are not adult enough to comprehend. how fucking stupid do people have to be to not see that??
First of all, the youngest reassignment surgery in the world was at 16.
Second, a person can't just choose to change their sex and go and get surgery the next day. There are many psychological evaluations, and a person has to live as that sex for 2 years in the USA before they can get surgery.
Puberty blockers aren't generally used and a person can't take puberty blockers until they have reached puberty. Hormone therapies in almost all cases are not allowed until the person wanting to transition are 16.
The age for surgery in the US is 18. In Canada, top surgery can be done at 16.
Dressing for the gender one prefers is not the same as having surgery. Identifying as one's preferred gender is not the same as surgery.
Now as I recall from our conversation about Prince Andrew, you had no issues with 17 year olds being able to prostitute themselves, so why would you have an issue about them making other decisions about their body?
so many twists in your Andrew sentence, not even going to bother addressing it.
Decisions? just a couple of reasons that have been in place around the globe for a while now.
reread my original post. here I'll help:
with "minds not fully developed",
too young to comprehend or halfway understand sex,
too young to have/experience sexual activity,
too young to vote,
too young to join military,
too young to smoke, drink, or go to R rated movies,
too young to move out of their parents house,
too young to have responsibility over their own life and rely on parents LEGALLY,
so what are people whining about some new Texas law supposedly against trans kids surgery?
Again, children under the age of 18 in the USofA can't get surgery. I am good with that.
so what are people whining about some new Texas law supposedly against trans kids surgery?
I really don't understand what this sentence means.
I think the law is bullshit. Any parent who is supporting their child, and taking them for any sort of gender affirming care is abuse??? Fuck that. If the doctors, psychologists, and psychiatrists deem that a child should be receiving medication to be who they are, then who are you, or the government to say that that is abuse? The endocrine society has guidelines as to what age these drugs should be used for. They have studied this, while the governor of Texas has not.
You are saying that a mind is not fully developed. Fine, but minds of teenagers usually have an idea of who they are as people. They can drop out of school at 16. Teenagers can comprehend sex. Especially by the age of 16. Teenagers are not too young to have or experience sexual activity according to you.
in my youth, when we were all under age, I knew PLENTY of wo.... GIRLS who were after sex: 14, 15, 16, and 17 year olds (when i was this age too) and many would have jumped at the chance of banging someone rich or famous. NOT SAYING RIGHT OR WRONG HERE, just saying how it really is.
So why is it suddenly wrong here if you are not saying it is right or wrong there?
Are you okay with the suicide attempt rates of trans teens being 42%? Even higher when you include non binary teens? Yet what about the fact that in places where just using preferred pronouns is respected that number drops by 50%. A parent who supports their child by using pronouns, and takes them for blockers or hormone therapies when their doctor's feel that they are old enough (they do have to be prescribed) is not abuse.
Suicide, yes, go for it. That's also a normal part of human life whether we like it or not. If their brain is so ducked up suicide sounds like an answer, then so be it. There's a reason the normal majority will never kowtow to this stupidity is because it will never fly in reality.... majority bowing to tiny insane minority. Get them some mental health help, but don't make us all bend to insane ways. Naturally, that is never going to happen.
Pronouns are garbage. This is only two sexes, regardless of what stupid people choose to make up. Always has been that way, always will be that way. Their unacceptence of this fact, is not our problem. It's theirs.
Your dragging other unrelated arguments into this one is deflecting what this one is saying: we don't let kids do all this other stuff, but we'll allow them personal sex assessment. Simple hypocrisy.
Let's enable ALL mental illness instead of fixing it while we are at it.
Agreed? :)
So your stance is that people should just kill themselves? Okay. I am putting you on ignore now so I never have to make the mistake of conversing with you.
sslssg, I salute you for your posts here. You have done yeoman work in confronting a poster who has the intellectual depth of a puddle of cat piss and is clearly an attention whore. I suspect his next topic will be, “If there is a God, why do bad things happen?” Please enjoy the daylights out of the Ignore button. I surely do!
clearly, that person lacked the realistic understanding of how the real world operates outside their boundaries of wishing to take on all the worlds problems and fix them their ways.
sorry, sista, bad things happen in the world even if you WISH they didn't. :)
I would think 41% suicide rate is a clear indicator that you are fucked up in a non-helpful way, not in a way that everyone else needs to bend over and enable you to continue being a mental mess.
Read on, Kane, and enjoy, if you like to think not inside a box of conformity. some are scared of the truths found on the outside. :)
there's a lot of people that hide from the scary truths in life.
find your tribe and enjoy.
but dont tell us how the majority should run things. we are majority for a reason: natural selection.
I thought this was going to be a troll post, but you're right. How can we set boundaries for children to do those things you listed, but allow them to change their gender because it's what they feel? I think it's concerning that parents can't have a say on the matter about their own child.
If there was a kid who felt depressed and started cutting themselves, the parents would take them to a doctor. But if a child felt like they were another gender and wanted to cut themselves to be that gender, the parents can't intervene. It's such backward logic because people will be scared of being called transphobic.
yeah, I don't see that being Transphobic, I see it called being a parent.
If someone outside of you tells your kid "Hey, try these drugs they are great!" you intervene and stop that.
If someone tells them, "Hey, get in my car and we'll play a fun secret game" you intervene.
If someone shows your kid naughty porn, you stop that.
...throws fire at your kids, you stop them.
... tried teaching your kid something you don't believe in, you stop them.
... getting into r rated movie you stop them.....
but someone says, "Hey you can be the other sex" you can't do anything?
I don't/won't have children, but this is just silly. how do parents allow this insanity in their neighborhood?
CHILDREN CAN NOT HAVE SURGERY...THEY CAN THINK AND DECLARE ALL THEY LIKE...NO SURGERY UNTIL THEY ARE 18 AND EVEN THEN THERE ARE CONDITIONS...IT TAKES YEARS.
Buy alcohol.
Buy tobacco products.
Go to a casino.
Book a hotel room.
Rent a car.
Smoke pot where it's legal.
Get your pilot's license.
Get a concealed weapons license.
Adopt a child.
Become an Uber driver.
Things you can do between 18 and 21:
Vote.
Decide you were born the wrong sex and have your balls cut off.
this is hilarious, because I personally know a guy who lets his younger child decide what he thinks he is. so, YES, kids are allowed to choose these days.
"The truth is that there has been an extreme rise in adolescents, especially girls, believing they are transgender. UK NHS referral data shows a 4000% increase in pediatric gender service referrals (not a typo). So-called “gender dysphoria”, which was once a very rare diagnosis that described mostly prepubescent boys and adult men, is now most commonly diagnosed in teenage girls. Activists will argue that these explosive numbers are a result of increased societal acceptance, and that at long last trans people are coming out of hiding and living as their authentic selves. If this were true, one might expect to see comparable rates of transgender identity across all age groups and between both sexes, but its disproportionately adolescent females feeling that warm and fuzzy inclusive acceptance. " https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name?utm_source=url
"one might expect to see comparable rates of transgender identity across all age groups and between both sexes, but its disproportionately adolescent females"
yeah, seems kind of ....oh I dont know.... INSTAGRAM like :D. just another dumb, short term fad that will be replaced by Twilight Pokemon Pog Spinners or something next year
i would say we should be very careful on this topic, cuz, like all things in life, it's extremely complicated.
and it's extremely sensitive and touchy as an area of course.
as laid out in that article, there have been cases of gender dysphoria identified for a long time. until the very recent past they were rare, they were mostly in males, the behaviors were seen at a very young age (pre-teens) and generally those males 'grew out of it' and many of them became gay men. some did transition and live their lives as women, and if that's what they needed, then great. that shoudl be supported.
but the fact that we are seeing cases more in teen girls, and in particular in teen girls who to that point in their life often hadn't shown any kind of gender confusion, suggests we're looking at something very different here.
some are callng it a social contagion. that seems like a slightly antagonistic way of saying it, but it may be getting at a truth of what's happening here.
i'm not sure that we're doing teen girls, who suddenly declare themselves to be trans with no apparent history of that, any favours by supporting them in that belief. in at least some of these cases, we may be looking at adolescents having a particularly tough puberty, getting unwanted sexual attention as often happens for teen girls, & seeing this possibility promoted through social media as an outlet, a potential escape.
some have made a comparison to anorexia, and that's another comparison that might be contentious but it might be very appropriate in some cases.
seriously, with all due respect, I want to say we have pointlessly OVER complicated these matters.
we need to be less sensitive, call out the insanity and put it back in its place.
handling everything with kid gloves recently is exactly what is causing our biggest problems: "OoOOOoh someone might be offended by something". Yes, we're all getting offended by stupid people making up dumbshit rules about things that make zero sense in reality.
Maybe if parents stepped up, while putting their foot down, we wouldn't have this pile of easily offended, entitled, pussified, "Gender-confused", spineless wimps we see trying to call the cry baby police about every tiny little thing.
While we all have our paranoid, cancel fest, of not offending anyone and banning everything, any other country with two balls and a couple guns, will just step in and enslave everyone. because we're big pussies, worrying about which bathroom to use, instead of know what makes a real man or woman.
then maybe we'd never need a discussion about why the hell we let LITTLE CHILDREN decide anything in their life before they are ready to.
i actually somewhat agree with this.
in that there are some absurdities in this movement that need to be called out for the silliness they are.
and in these cases where we are seeing teen girls with no history of this disorder claiming to be trans, we should be deeply skeptical imo. i think we're doing those people no favours by coddling them, as some of the activists on this issue want.
but at the same time, there are legitimate cases of dysphoria, and those kids have real problems and deserve care & treatment. people who have problems they can't control deserve sympathy and respect.
but i should have clarified something as well: that a lot of the men who transition do appear to be doing so as a means of gratifying an extreme sexual fetish, for a desire to experience sex acts as a woman. that is something taht is likely very distinct from dysphoria.
as adults, they can do whatever they want, but it is something different.
helen joyce's 'trans - when ideology meets reality' is good on this topic imo.
The problem is that there's a lot of propaganda in both extremes. The woke side is nuts, but the transphobe conservative one is no much better.
One example, the celebrated recent law in Texas bans puberty blockers. What puberty do is just to delay puberty, so the kid doesn't have to choose when he's 13 or 14 and can take some more years to think about it.
By their own definition, what puberty blockers do is delay puberty and give the kid more time to decide. It's the actual opposite of changing his sex. If he was going through some sex change treatment, he wouldn't need puberty blockers.
That means that under the propaganda of 'protect the kids from sex change', they're banning the actual meds that are used to DELAY the sex change.
I had heard about the Texas law but wasn't aware that it was actually band puberty blockers. If they've done that then that's absolutely wrong it's something that could definitely be harmful to people who actually do need that help.
They placed all in the same 'child abuse' basket. A father giving his teen kid some puberty blockers so the kid has some years before having to take any real treatment decision, that person would go to trial under the same charge than a father that took a little kid to a sex change surgical operation.
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There are doctors who support hormone therapy for children under 16, so it's not unimaginable.
Personally, I don't support these kinds of surgeries (or most plastic surgery) until the body has stopped developing. Puberty is a confusing time for each and every one of us.
It's messed up, but we're about to start genetically engineering our kids anyhow, this whole new generation of kids doesn't really matter. They're kind of disposable. You're gonna design your kid just like you do a character in a video game. So sure, let's turn the whole human race into a big experiment, why not. They're not the ones going to Mars. It don't matter.