Does anything shock you anymore?
Does it?
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What about if you discover unusual truths? Or, as in my case very much also, see certain scenes from movies including from a somewhat different approach? Or even if you DON'T KNOW SOMETHING and are afraid to find out? What about finding out SATISFYING truths and getting past the stigma and people's harsh reactions of outrage even if you agree? Cheers.
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How about we look at it from the point of view of people and humanity in general, as opposed to, say, Americans looking at it from American point of view, or are we really THIS divided in terms of nationality?
shareWhere are you getting at with this? Are you saying it's just Americans that are fucked up? Looks what's going on in Northern Ireland. British Loyalists are threatening to light massive bonfires made out of wood pallets and burn neighborhoods down and threatening anyone who dares dismantle them. They stand about 30-40 feet tall. This crap needs to end now and the bullies need to be piled upon and ducttaped up.
sharei don't know if shocked is the word, but the steady deterioration in the quality of our culture surprises me.
any adult from the 40s-60s would be nauseated by popular music & film & entertainment generally, its excesses, the ridiculous booming soundtracks, all the tattoos & pins, the general coarseness of it all, the profanity, the vulgarity, the mindlessness of it - the absence of any sort of tact, restraint, more deliberate irony, deftness of touch. that older cultural order now simplistically derided as if those aspects are less 'real'. but twerking is.
at least on the american front - the europeans ape us a lot, but retain some of the older values in their film, at least - my basic view into euro culture.
our popular culture almost seems to be on a conscious course of abasement, arcing toward the primitive & violent.
but then, i'm a well-known crank.
Every generation says this.
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shareI dont see it that way, no.
sharethat everything's awful and everything that was good in my time has been eroded, smashed away like a sandcastle on a beach. it was said about the 60s (hippies and psychedics and acid rock), it was said when i was a kid in the 80s (i remember my dad raging about how everything had gone to hell and was awful) & they say it now!
not to say that that there's not truth some of the things jriley laid out. but i also think that things are a lot more complicated than that. and some of it just feels like 'get off my lawn' crankiness, as he conceded.
this may sound like an annoying 'straddling the fence, both sides-ism' take, but i think when you actually drill down into details, the facts are that things are a mixed bag of changes, not all of them bad.
& look at how much we have available to us, and easily available. lots and lots of different things, available by electrons beamed to your phone or laptop! endless books and films of every type and style and culture.
nobody had mubi or criterion or a kindle or the ability to buy any book you could imagine in an instant and start reading it immediately 60 years ago. that's great stuff. i think we should appreciate that a lot more.
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which presupposes that cultures never degrade, since noticing it may always be attributed to being merely old and non-adapting.
shareIt's a pattern. The older generation has always cursed the new of being the end of decency. And culture. It's even a trope in film.
Like women's fashion for instance. When hemlines of dresses moved up. And up some more, and then up some more, with every generation, the horror and out cry! The evolution of the bathing suit. BIKINIS! OMG! the history of bras. Of high heels. Always a big to-do.
Same with music. Rock n roll/ rhythm and blues were thought to be the devils work.
Pop culture changes, I wouldn't call it degraded.
You may be right. Just my observation. I'm 59.
People I encounter in the real world are just as polite and helpful as always, It's only on the internet that people treat each other horribly. Mostly. (Exceptions of course and we are talking about culture and morals. Problems in democracy and the environment are another matter.)
i do agree that people haven't degraded nearly as much as the popular culture. i expect there is some ageism in my take, and also something decadent of the culture that could be defended on the substance.
shareAgreed. It's not just the deterioration pop culture but the deterioration in the daily behavior of people that fail to show respect for others and think the world revolves around them, right Kowalski?
share> the steady deterioration in the quality of our culture surprises me.
I'm in my late fifties, old enough to remember how the US used to be. Sometimes I feel like a man living in the declining days of the Roman Empire -- I understand what's happening, I understand why it's happening, but there's little I can do about it except keep my fingers crossed and hope things don't get much worse before I die.
All the time. I refuse to accept incivility as the new normal.
Couple days ago a SEMI TRUCK driver was behaving badly, hauling two giant industrial generators that could have tipped, honking at me because I HAD to merge because the lane I was in was about to disappear. This was a 4 lane road about to turn into a 3 lane road. I signaled. Put a lot of space in between us and slowly merged. That idiot (likely a Trumpette) started honking at me. Then a mile down the road the fool actually had the audacity to pull up next to me, in a right turn lane, and started shouting HEY! HEY! Through my passenger side window with his nascar upswooshed hair and sunglasses on. Since I have a loud voice and I am a 1/3rd bigger than him I bellowed YOU ARE A SEMI DRIVER BRO! YOU ARE REQUIRED A SPECIAL LICENSE BECAUSE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE SAFELY AND BEHAVE PROPERLY! That shut down the sunglasses wearing wheezer real fast. Consequently because he pulled up in a right turn lane he got stuck and the following light blocked him so I never had to deal with him again. Double karma.
There's been a couple times where talegaters have whizzed past me (1st one tailgating me, 2nd one tailgating the cars in front of me and I put a lot of distance between the both of us.) and the other cars passing us in no passing lanes. The light up ahead just happened to catch them, and I just happened to be turning right and glided up next to them in the right turn lane. I shouted jokingly, "Hey bro you got miles ahead of us all, you are the winner man. Look at you 4 car lengths ahead of everyone else." Both times the guys got all sheepish and laughed and after that started driving safely. I don't know if it is millennials having gotten their driver's licenses or what but they don't belong on the road.
I'm not putting up with it anymore. When I drive now it is just chillen, signalling every time I change a lane and showing courtesy to those who need to merge.
"All the time. I refuse to accept incivility as the new normal."
But are you thinking also about, say, exacting revenge or a higher form of justice on those who wrong us, constantly working laws, do you shout and swear at people who do bad things and other related etcetera?
Or do you feel and think about it within limits and boundaries, humanely, with punishment fitting the crimes, you disagree with various stereotypes whether common or double-standard-oriented ones etc?
What about stuff you see in the MOVIES?
shareI prefer to watch movies with story over those with violence and depravity. Do you think the movies are influencing people's behavior? Yeah like most of media. Especially social media. For the first time I heard some internet geek in public insult an old lady circulating a petition and saying he hated SJWs. What the hell was that I thought, some Myers Briggs classification? Guy was spending too much time online.
shareOnly "shout" as in to make my voice loud enough to be heard, not to berate anyone.
Justice and punishment is another subject which needs a whole other level of thought and discussion. I do think our justice systems are outdated, based on flawed psychological principles based on primal instincts and not achieving the results they intend to achieve.
You should check this out. It addresses what you're saying here.
https://moviechat.org/tt4323370/Survivors-Guide-to-Prison
Synopsis "Today, you're more likely to go to prison in the United States than anywhere else in the world. So in the unfortunate case it should happen to you - this is the Survivors Guide to Prison."
Damn that's some crazy stuff. Every American should be afraid. Ever think of getting out and going to a freer country?
Nope. I'm in my retirement years, feeling more free than I ever have, as it should be.
shareYes change is needed in many areas. When we know better, we do better.
Change is natural.
"All the time. I refuse to accept incivility as the new normal."
"Only "shout" as in to make my voice loud enough to be heard, not to berate anyone."
Also from TriumphReq:
" I am looking forward to Miss Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez destroying each and every one of you. If it were up to me I'd like her to personally to castrate each and every one of you confused and deluded traitors but it is not."
Hahahahahahahaha!