Historical Figures w/ The Utmost Integrity? - General Discussion Discussion

[–] actionkamen (23176) 4 years ago

Jesus.

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[–] Artisan (3464) 4 years ago

How do we know he wasn't just a really good cult leader as per Koresh, Manson etc?

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[–] tcrum (31863) 4 years ago

Nice!

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Jesus had a really kind message for all people, not just his followers, he also didn't screw everyone's wife and daughters and he never urged anyone to commit murder or die in a fiery compound

That's how

If you lack faith in Jesus that's entirely your business but he seems to have been a pretty great and interesting man undeserving of being placed on a shelf with the scum you mentioned

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

That's actually under debate. Jesus started as a Zealot, which was the most violent Jew cult back then. Later on he started his own cult, and for sure he was a charming figure, but nobody really knows what he preached. The gospel was written decades later.

Jesus could been some kind of popular figure that was used as a selling marketing element, kind of 'Che Guevara', while Christianism as we know it was designed by the heads of the cult, most of it (probably) by Paul.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Under debate?

Jesus is my my homie
I roll with Him

The post I referred to put him in a very bad category of vile men
Faith aside that is unreasonable

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[–] TexasJack (12516) 4 years ago

I agree. I'm an atheist, but I believe that the teachings of Jesus Christ provide the best model for human behavior. If anyone has ever formulated a better rule than "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" I'm not aware of it.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Words to live by, a good way to avoid busted knuckles and a black eye at the very least

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[–] Artisan (3464) 4 years ago

Unless of course you are perfectly ok with the idea of fist fights and getting hurt. I know that sounds perverse but I honestly believe a lot of people are ok to live by a different set of standards and are happy to live and die by the sword.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Sure, we call those people idiots (I'm as guilty as most)

Truth be told I'm slowly realizing that good faith and tact are generally more useful than breaking noses and smashing the furniture and I often regret the foolish things I used to resort to

Talking or walking is better most of the time

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 4 years ago

How do we know? Through prayers.

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

Lil' Kim!

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Considering they are all suffering from malnutrition and a lack of water over there he really is the supreme leader!

Good for him...🤔?

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[–] Mrmojo4700 (21722) 4 years ago

Mahatma Gandhi

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[–] nyctc7 (44116) 4 years ago

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[–] chilone (18333) 4 years ago

Hitler. He was pretty transparent and true to his ideals, but as history has shown, a genocidal psychopath with integrity isn't a good thing.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10717) 4 years ago

I wonder if he really did believe everything he said.. Many leaders are cunning and Machievallian, and will use the currency of the moment to mobilize people.

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[–] nyctc7 (44116) 4 years ago

To say Hitler had integrity is weird to say the least. It is saying he had moral uprightness which obviously he did not. Google synonyms for integrity and you will find such words as virtue, decency, and goodness.

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[–] chilone (18333) 4 years ago

I think in his demented mind, he thought he was all those.

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[–] nyctc7 (44116) 4 years ago

I believe whether a person has integrity should be judged on what the person says, and, more importantly, on what they do...not on what goes on in their mind. If Hitler thought what he was doing was good and just, that is perverse, not integrity.

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[–] Kompressor (240) 4 years ago

Who said he was a psychopath, or even wrong?

The people he hated have been universally hated throughout history.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

I think most reasonable people would say he was a madman and totally wrong

Throughout history ignorant people thought the world was flat
Do you think the world is flat?

You seem like a very angry person

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[–] Kompressor (240) 4 years ago

Most reasonable people? Sounds like a no True Scotsman.

Germany lost and look at what's happening to the west. Degeneracy is being peddled in every facet of every media outlet at all times.

You ever hear of the Danzig corridor? Trotsky and his proposed 'plan' for Germany?

Do you honestly believe Hitler just woke up one morning and said "I think I'll hate Jews with a burning passion"?

"Gradually I began to hate them"

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

I've read Mein Kampf and the guy was nuttier than a Baby Ruth bar

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[–] Kompressor (240) 4 years ago

For hating a people that have been hated by everyone?

If you threw this society onto 1930s America they would have sided with the Germans

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Bullshit
Have a Happy New Year👍

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[–] Kompressor (240) 4 years ago

Lol no bullshit. White Americans from the 30s would be called nazis.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Interesting stuff
Have a nice evening👍

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[–] Kompressor (240) 4 years ago

I know you’re not interest in learning anything but try to find an instance of a country becoming less white increasing the standard of living

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

How is your evening going?
I hope very well and fun😃

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Hitler wasn't a psychopath. Psychopaths don't give a shit and barely have emotions. Hitler had a heavy emotional grudge against Jews. Hitler was probably more of a charming narcissist, Obama type.

Let's remember that Germany had it really tough after losing the WW1. Poverty was rampant, and Hitler himself was homeless for a while. And German Jews collaborated with UK during that war in order to score points to obtain the land of Israel. Besides that, Germany wasn't the only one to mass kill innocents in WW2. The allies did it too.

That's story is usually painted as a tale of good vs evil, but it's actually a much more complex one. As some German soldier said "The most important thing that I learnt in WW2 is that winners write history".

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Do not compare Hitler to Obama in the name of all decency...I never voted for Obama but to put him in the same sentence as Adolf Hitler...that's a new low
Total baloney

And we all are at least as educated as you and are aware that Germany got pounded upon after WWI, that's still no excuse for what they did 20 years later

A Jewish State was needed because of millions of ignorant haters who to this day would love to wipe the Jews from the world

You need to reevaluate man, you say some weird things

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Do not compare Hitler to Obama in the name of all decency

Why not?

The centenary of the Armenian genocide happened during Obama's watch. Armenians begged him (as POUS) to have a gesture and (at least) mention it. Obama didn't bother. We're talking about the centenary of one of the most important genocides in the XXth century, but he didn't care because there was no political profit. And this is only one example.

Obama and Hitler had many common elements. Both were charming, both were highly popular among female voters, both were extremely self-centered, cunning and narcissistic. The difference is the historical context and the media narrative. Had Obama been in a similar context, he probably would have behaved similarly.

A Jewish State was needed because of millions of ignorant haters who to this day would love to wipe the Jews from the world

So what?

I'm not stating the opposite. I'm saying, and I quote my comment, "German Jews collaborated with UK during that war in order to score points to obtain the land of Israel". So there was a legit conflict there. Of course, Jews had legit reasons to try to get their own land. And German had legit reasons to feel resentful for them supporting UK. Both sides had their own reasons: that's the thing with conflicts. So, and I quote my comment again, "that's story is usually painted as a tale of good vs evil, but it's actually a much more complex one.".

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Obama not mentioning a tragic historical event is nothing at all like a lunatic starting a war of conquest in Europe and killing millions of innocent people

The Jews in Germany and elsewhere were getting murdered so they started siding with the non-Nazi team..?
Who can blame them?

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

The Jews in Germany and elsewhere were getting murdered so they started siding with the non-Nazi team

So Jews collaborating with UK during WW1 was because they sided with the non-Nazi team...

The non-Nazi team... and the Nazi team... Nazis... in WW1... in WW1

Ahem...

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That's what happens when people learn history from superhero movies.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

European Jews were getting kicked in the head before 1914, Hitler was just one more creep 20 years later...Continue to defend Hitler and his opinions if you like

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Continue to defend Hitler and his opinions

I'm gonna quote myself from a previous comment in this thread:
"Obama and Hitler had many common elements. Both were charming, both were highly popular among female voters, both were extremely self-centered, cunning and narcissistic.".

Calling a person cunning and narcissistic, that's quite a unusual way to "defend" somebody, but if you say so... 😂😂😂😂

Anyway, you think there were Nazis in WW1, so it's not like I had to expect much more. 😄

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

No need to quote yourself, I read it

I said nothing about Nazis in WWI, just that Jews took a side because they were being persecuted

Let's figure we are not going to agree on this matter and leave it at that

Have a Happy New Year👍

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

I said nothing about Nazis in WWI, just that Jews took a side because they were being persecuted

Let me quote myself again:
"Let's remember that Germany had it really tough after losing the WW1. Poverty was rampant, and Hitler himself was homeless for a while. And German Jews collaborated with UK during that war in order to score points to obtain the land of Israel. "

And this is how you answered it:
"The Jews in Germany and elsewhere were getting murdered so they started siding with the non-Nazi team"

Well, anyway, given the current state of education in western countries, thinking that there were Nazis in WW1 is not that bad. It's just the average level 😂

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Enjoy your day👍

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[–] mcqueen (1150) 4 years ago

Trump

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Churchill and FDR...one was a world class drunk and the other a Kennedy-level cheater but they managed to overcome a powerful enemy by sticking to their alliance (I don't take a leader's personal misbehaviors into account if it doesn't screw up the job they are doing)

Alexander of Macedonia set out to conquer the known world and boy did he do it!
From West to East he smashed them all to the point that he could not get enough
He died (a possible assassination by his weary Generals) in a military camp still marching around looking for more asses to kick while everyone else in his army just wanted to go home

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[–] BullSchmidt (3189) 4 years ago

I've got a personal connection to Churchill. While in London about ten years ago I toured his WWII bunker. I saw his sleeping quarters, including his chamberpot. Naturally I used my camera. So I've got a snapshot of his toilet.

Not much of a personal connection, but there it is.

> Churchill and FDR...one was a world class drunk and the other a Kennedy-level cheater

Naah ... I think that as a philanderer The Jack was in a league by himself. But I wouldn't have minded quaffing a few brewskis with Winnie.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

Oh, morning, noon and evening cocktails with Winston while he was managing a war effort would have been something lol

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

Joan of Arc

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (78608) 4 years ago

I need to read more about her, an 18 year old woman being in the midst of battles in that age is an historic event for sure
I have briefly read that her visions are the subject of ongoing psychiatric debate

A fascinating figure and a very tragic ending to her life (she may have been abused by her jailers prior to the stake)
It's a pretty sad story

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

She was Churchills choice too, when asked this question.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10717) 4 years ago

I'd love to read others' choices... Did Churchill only name her?

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

I'm not sure but it was something I saw on TV years ago, a Joan of Arc documentary I think.

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[–] nyctc7 (44116) 4 years ago

My favorite Joan of Arc joke was uttered by Johnny Haymer in Annie Hall.

"I open with some jokes. Now, that's where I need you, right there. For instance, like I say, 'Hey, I just got back from Canada, you know, they speak a lotta French up there. The only way to remember Jeanne d'Arc means the light's out in the bathroom!'"

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 4 years ago

I dun geddit.

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[–] nyctc7 (44116) 4 years ago

I couldn't find a clip which would have been better. Johnny Haymer is best known as the supply sergeant in MASH. He just has a funny face. Anyway, in Annie Hall Woody Allen is a comedian and Haymer is a stand-up looking to hire Allen to write some jokes for him. The gag is that Haymer is a laughably awful stand up. It's a pretty funny sequence. Jeanne d'Arc = John Dark = The light's out in the bathroom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFlx8w7i278

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 4 years ago

Aah.. I get it now. Jeanne d'Arc = John Dark. LoL!

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[–] nyctc7 (44116) 4 years ago

Many years after seeing the movie, I made one up and used it on an English professor (true story)

Me: Who wrote that poem 'Death Be Not Proud'?
Professor: John Donne
Me: The workmen are finished in the bathroom?

The professor didn't laugh. He didn't smile. He turned to someone else.

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[–] plusplus (467) 4 years ago

Charles De Gaulle - they gave him all keys, he could have been a king but used his powers to build the 5th republic.
Kemal Ataturk - similar

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