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Historical Figures w/ The Utmost Integrity?


If you can't think of any, pick someone who is living.

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From what I've read, George Washington was pretty much as advertised. The story about the cherry tree almost certainly never happened -- what kid would be dumb enough to pull a stunt like that? -- but it contained a deeper truth, like many myths. Washington was a man of iron integrity. Ordinary, lesser men quailed in his presence. Some couldn't handle it at all and ended up like this guy -- https://youtu.be/1qCszP4HI7U?t=166

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His retirement and farewell address does him credit as a man of integrity (among many other things)

https://www.history.com/news/george-washington-farewell-address-warnings

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Did you mostly read quotes of George Washington? Personally, it's all I would look at, with a historical figure from so many years ago without audio/video as proof.

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I wrote the above based on what the professor in my one college history course said. That was about forty years ago, so I don't remember the examples he used to illustrate what he said. Just that GW's character was made of granite.

I do remember something else the prof said. Because of medical and nutritional advances, humans today are larger than they were back then. Among today's American males GW would be a little taller than average and somewhat on the slender side -- 6'2" and 175 lbs. But among his smaller contemporaries he was like an NFL linebacker -- imagine 6'8" and 275 lbs in today's terms. Apparently there are quite reliable accounts of women literally swooning when brought into his presence, their feminine neurons overloaded by his manliness. I don't buy the idea that size alone would do that; Thomas Jefferson was the same weight and a little taller than GW, and considerably more handsome, but we don't have those kinds of reports about him. Maybe GW just had exceptionally strong pheromones, reeking of raw, full force testosterone.

OTOH, could have been halitosis. Those wooden teeth must have gotten pretty grungy at times. Maybe his breath knocked a few women to the floor.

Another story, from Affairs of Honor (ISBN 0300097557) -- a great book if you're interested in 1790s USA politics. GW was very aware that anything he did might be modeled by future Presidents. and so when in doubt erred to formality. With his military background it seemed natural to have a Presidential uniform, something like a general's but without military insignia. One evening, after work was done and he was wearing civvies, he was chatting with his dinner guest, a government official. They suddenly realized that there was some official business that couldn't wait until morning but required their immediate attention. GW said wait and left the room. When he returned he was wearing the uniform. "Now I can discuss this as the President." They took care of the business, GW left and returned in civvies, and the dinner resumed.

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lincoln
washington
churchill

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Lincoln is a fine example
Just google early and late pictures of him to see what he went through to hold The Union together...the man aged 20 years in 5!
It's pretty shocking

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India strongly disagrees on Churchill.

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vaclav havel, maybe? not that i'm an authority on the guy, but what i know is impressive.

solzhenitsyn?

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Its sad that this thread is a joke. So we have no true heros. Well I'm going to poke the bear, I read Kamala Harris' wikepedia entry and I was impressed for the first time in a long time.

You know she's going to be in charge for real right?

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> You know she's going to be in charge for real right?

Yep. The American people have just elected a nearly eighty year old man to the most stressful job in the nation. That alone would be cause for concern. But there are also credible reasons to question his mental awareness and physical health.

I'd say there's a 50% chance Biden will resign for health reasons or will die before the end of his term. Then Harris is president.

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for somebody living, i would choose peter singer. in terms of the influence he's had and the ideas he's put out into the world, i think he might be the most interesting, maybe influential thinker of our time. he's certainly change me and the way i lead my life, and i know he's cited as a huge influence by many in how we are to lead ethical lives.

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mlk
martin luther

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its all in the same, eh?

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LOL That's two different people! 😂

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I know. I'm saying its interesting that MLK lived up to his name. I think a kid grows up expecting..

If you named your kid Martin Luther King, he might read up on him, and think of marketing.

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Yeah, Adolf suddenly became an unpopular name after WWII.

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Names are important. I bet all the American Adolfs in the 40s/50s were teased relentlessly, and probably went to prison for murder or killed themselves. I can't think of a successful Adolf.

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Unfortunately, I believe history has judged Luther as being anti-Semitic as well, unless I'm mistaken.
Sad, too, as I grew up a Lutheran and he was very admired. Our community also owed a lot to Henry Ford, who had an anti-Semitic side too, I later discovered. Tempers my enthusiasm for these men, but doesn't change what good they accomplished, not entirely anyway.

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Mother Teresa
Nelson Mandela
Gandhi
St Francis of Assisi

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Momma Terry was certainly on that "suffering is great!" when she wasn't making deals with murderers and drug smugglers.

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