Over on the politics page ....
They don't seem overly open minded over there π€
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MovieChat Forums > General Discussion > Over on the politics page ....
It's a cesspool. They're all turds floating around in it.
shareI posted something about how capitalism had been found wanting in it's response to the coronavirus pandemic and was immediately branded as a pig raping communist. I was hoping to start a conversation about how capitalism could be improved to make it more resilient. Oh well.
They don't do conversations. They wear out the thesaurus on long long looooong winded rants, going on and on, making up the most ridiculous insults, while insisting that you conform to their idiot views and at the same time declaring that you're not intelligent enough to grasp it.
It's a disgusting pathetic existence and I have absolutely no pity for those syphilis monsters.
Fuck em.
Spot on Cruz. It's a cesspool of the worst opinions. Constant belittling. It'd be if you took the most obnoxious pundits from Fox and MSNBC, gave them booze, and put them in a wrestling ring.
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I posted something about how capitalism had been found wanting in it's response to the coronavirus pandemic and was immediately branded as a pig raping communist.
There's an obsession with communism right now which doesn't make sense, I have argued about that a couple of times.
That said, your statement with Capitalism doesn't make much sense neither. China is capitalist. US is capitalist. Japan is capitalist. Sub-Saharian Africa is capitalist. Germany is capitalist. Ecuador is capitalist. Spain is capitalist. India is capitalist. The answer have been completely different, though. It's obvious that Capitalism is not the key element there. The key element are societies, cultures and political systems. share
Not trying to be a stick-in-the-mud, as I agree with your comment, but I would argue that China is capitalist only economically. Ideology-wise, they are still very much communist.
Beijing is trying really hard to learn from the Soviet Union collapse by having economic reform. Despite differing cultures, as you have pointed out, the above is even more true in Vietnam, who have seemingly embraced everything American these days.
Good post.
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US wasn't the best during the collapse of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev negotiated as he was some naive lollipop teenager and US took advantage of it. It's not a coincidence that Gorbachev is widely despised in Russia, not because of ending the Soviet Union, but because of how badly he ended it.
Russia was promised to enter the EU, but that was never the intention. The idea was to isolate it politically, bringing Poland and Ukraine to Europe, which was more ludicrous taking into account that Gorbachev allowed Russian territory to be included in Ukraine. US didn't include in the calculations its own decline, though, which changed world's political landscape.
China watched and learnt, yeap. I disagree they're communist 'ideology-wise', though. I think they're just Chinese. It seems similar because Chinese culture shares many elements with Communism. For example, in both cases the highest social layer is the government bureaucracy and hierarchical obedience is heavily enforced. This happened during the Communism... but it happened during the former Chinese empires too. The modern Chinese system is not replicating Communism. It's replicating traditional Chinese imperial bureaucracy.
PS By the way, I'm sorry because I had a couple of comments and messages from you that I didn't answer. I use moviechat as a quick and easy break, and your comments were particularly interesting and required a more meditated answer. I gave some time to think about and finally forgot. I apologize for that.
On your first part about China:
I always figured China, and Russia for that matter too, are pretty much being same old, same old - just wearing a different mask. You know the saying, "Same crap, different day". Yeah, it's a lot like that.
Your take is fascinating and may very well be the case. Though, once Mainland China stabilizes, it could fall very back into Marxism like it was under Mao (or Maoism, I should say). People tend to get sloppy when they get comfortable. That's the nature of the beast.
About Gorbachev; there was no way he was going to please everyone with his policies. Any way he sliced it, somebody was going to be ticked off.
What do you think about Taiwan? Originally, once the Republicans assimilated the island following the Chinese Civil War in the 1940s, they were actually more autocratic and authoritarian than even the Communists were on the mainland. And yet, they have gradually introduced an era of democracy beginning in the 1990s.
On your last part:
Hey, no worries. This website needs all the different personalities it can get. Everyone has their own approach and it gives this place balance. Personally, I did not think anything was wrong in our communication. You don't have to answer all the time. Sometimes we just need to listen to each other and think it over.
There's a word for peace in Kirundi, 'Gira amahoro', meaning "have peace".β
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Sorry for any typos; not easy to type on a mobile phone.
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It's a big misconception that China is communist. If it was full on communist, it would have collapsed by now, like the Soviet Union.
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I'm sorry, that made me chuckle.
Yeah, conversations don't seem to exist there. I love a good debate but it's not the same when it's just 'I'm right, you're wrong' and nobody is actually listening to anyone.
Ahh well, at least I tried π
You must not talk about politics often then, because βIβm right, youβre wrongβ is all politics has ever been. Haha. No one has ever changed their political party after an argument. They argue just to argue.
I post there every once in a while to try and inject some logic and reason into a topic, but it never seems to go well. Lol.
Lol, I should have spoken to you first!
share#1 - If you aren't part of the solution, maybe you are a part of the problem. Which is to say, being apathetic while democracy is being put on the ropes isn't as noble as you would like to present it.
#2 - "They don't seem overly open minded over there" Please demonstrate how one should be overly open minded. Are you overly open minded? Can I say something truly awful about your character and expect you to respond that you understand my position and feelings and respectfully disagree? One side pushes the boundaries of decorum and civility, then complains they are being treated poorly.
#3 - The issues are important in both the big and small pictures. When the system works for you, who cares how it affects others, right?
This might be the third time I've said this, but I don't post on Politics because I enjoy it. I'm outraged at the crap, the outright outrageous fabrications floated out as being somehow sensible. The worst news source is the only one to be trusted, our whole nation is being manipulated by the msm, keep buying guns to offset the increases in gun violence. It's all a propaganda effort to undermine the foundations of our Democracy, and you can turn your head or get involved. Because when they come for you, you might wish you had worked harder to support the ones who got trampled when you had the chance.
Remember the US is not a democracy.
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I have always thought of our form of government as a constitutional republic.
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shareYes but that's the thing. You have put thought into your reply, and I feel you you'd be a great person to have a debate with because of all your points. Whether we agree or not is irrelevant. It's about listening to others, reviewing their point of view and then commenting with with your counter argument.
They dont do that over in politics. They just insult those with a different opinions and ignore everything said that opposes their view of the world.
I won't be going back there π
Which, if any, political based shows do you watch?
I've given up on msm fox, msnbc, cnn, etc and find myself watching more youtube programs.
I tell myself shows like The Hill aren't biased and offer opposing opinions, but I'm sure someone will come along and tell me that too is biased.
All I've been watching are the live press conferences. For different states and the president. I don't listen to journalists. I just listen to the politicians themselves. To me, the NY governor has come across very well, the President, not so much.
shareThere isn't anything wrong with most American news media or journalism. Americans can't differentiate between news and political commentary shows.
useful site:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center/
Cuomo is doing what a leader is supposed to do. Too many have forgotten. Some of the other governors (New Jersey, California, Michigan) are good, also.
Excellent post !
shareI enjoy discussing politics, but the politics board here is just a shouting match. I'm positive no one's prior political views have ever been changed on that board, regardless of their views.
shareI admit that I've peeked over there a few times, but I've never posted there. To put it kindly, it's a mess.
shareYa think? Lol.
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