Watching movies as a Christian
has become very difficult if not impossible, because there is nudity in almost everything. Many movies and television I want to watch, but can't. It gets frustrating.
has become very difficult if not impossible, because there is nudity in almost everything. Many movies and television I want to watch, but can't. It gets frustrating.
What's wrong with nudity, from a Christian perspective? Didn't God create the human body? Weren't Adam and Eve naked and not ashamed before the fall?
shareThe bible is against nudity and lust. Dont try and suck me into one of your "Jesus never mentioned pornography" arguments.
shareWhere is the Bible against nudity? Please quote a specific passage. Nudity is not the same as pornography and not all nudity is sexual.
shareYou can find the passages as easy as I can. They do exist.
shareNo, they don't. Nudity is not inherently wrong. Don't you believe that God created the human body?
shareThere are no passages in the bible that instruct to not uncover someone's naked body? Is that your claim?
No, my claim is that the human body is not inherently sinful and nudity in films is not wrong. Do you not believe that God created the human body?
shareTrying to change the subject/move the goal posts when confronted with facts. Your usual schtick. Nice try Steve. It didnt work before and it's not working this time.
shareYou are the one avoiding my questions. Didn't God create the human body? Weren't Adam and Eve naked and not ashamed before the fall?
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The passages in the bible regarding nakedness are usually talking about the person's own feelings of shame, not any sort of command to be clothed. The others are about incest. If being naked is sinful, why was it ok for Isaiah to remain naked for three years?
shareLust is a deadly sin though. I never said being naked is sinful. It isn't a sin to take a shower or sleep naked or be naked alone in your house. Or be naked with your spouse. I'm sure there are many other examples I could come up with. But how many television show or movies are presenting nudity in anything other than in a lustful manner? I would say they are the very extreme minority.
It's not as rare as you might think. There is a list on Letterboxd of 595 films that have non-sexual nudity so those types of films are out there.
shareYou'll find it heavily implied early on in Genesis:
"They were naked, but they were not ashamed."
Gen. 2:25
This was before the fall, so the reason they felt no shame was because, quite simply, they didn't know any better. Had they known right from wrong, however, they would have known - according to the text - that nakedness was to be covered up. Indeed, as soon as they eat from the Tree of Knowledge, they cover themselves up - because they realize they are naked.
Later on in the Bible, Leviticus 18 establishes that to see someone naked is a sexual act. The traditional English wording is to "uncover the nakedness" - in newer versions this has been altered to the Clintonesque "have sexual relations with". But consider that the same wording is used in Genesis when Ham accidentally sees his father, Noah, naked: Noah curses him for having seen him naked. He praised his other sons, Shem and Japheth, who had walked into the tent backwards with a blanket to cover his sleeping naked body, and had thus not seen him naked.
In short, modern translations of the Bible interpret "uncover the nakedness" as implying more than mere nudity - but reading the text in the context of the culture in which it is written, there is nothing more than nudity implied.
And yet you're not saying a word about all the gay propaganda being shoved into movies and tv today?
shareI say plenty about it in my personal life. Maybe I'll start a different thread about it.
shareAre you Christian and have a similar problem with nudity in movies?
shareWell, I will first confess that I sometimes say things on here that don't sound very Christian, and I cuss and swear when angry, which is wrong. Despite those things, I'm just being honest with some of the things I have said. But I do come from a Protestant Christian background, and part of that has lead me to being very bothered by what I've been seeing on tv, particularly streaming. Many times I've had to just plain turn down and avoid what's on some show or movie because I know what I'm going to be seeing on there, and have had enough.
If the production in question is supposed to be for adults anyway (we're talking Rated R tv here), you're bound to get nude scenes sooner or later. "Game of Thrones" really broke down barriers on that one, though a lot of people complained that it was somewhat one-sided, with mostly women going full-frontal and the men getting off scot-free with mostly shots from the back...until the shaming scene with Circe. (I actually had issues with that show from the start due to the shock it gave me over some of the stuff I saw in it, and the troubling story themes it presented).
I'm actually more bothered by how much rape is now being shown in some of these shows, like "Outlander." And it seems like ever since the early 2010s, everyone's dropping F-bombs left and right, far more than even I do on here! It's kind of disturbing, actually.
The bad writing and forced diversity also bothers me, particularly with historical movies and tv where you would have normally found almost all white people in the setting.
So I'm getting that you're not a practicing Christian if you're watching nudity on a regular basis.
I never saw even a single episode of Game of thrones because I know any HBO series is going to have nudity. I never saw the Sopranos either for the same reason. I miss out on a lot of good shows. Thanks for your response.
I never said I watched stuff with nudity on a regular basis. In fact, most of the streaming stuff with nudity in it has very little rewatch value, which is a common problem in today's media. Most of the time I watch stuff with people clothed, and due to the garbage of today's media, often I'm forced to watch older stuff that had better writing and acting in it.
To be fair, I find the nudity way less offensive than the near-constant Christian-bashing I've been seeing more and more often in sci-fi. I get very tired of hearing self-righteous atheists and humanists dissing God in these shows or movies, and nobody ever disagrees with them or has an opinion to the contrary. Or worse, the bad guy is a "Christian" and shows all the worst traits if fake Christians. It's one of many reasons I can't stand "The Expanse" and never got my own copy of "The Shape of Water" after watching the film once and reading the book once.
And no, you didn't miss anything with "Game of Thrones," The Sopranos," or "The Witcher."
My biggest issue with George R.R. Martin (aside from the fool not finishing his book series), is that he doesn't value people who are good and virtuous in his stories. (He's pretty much the "anti-Tolkien" of the writing world). He punishes them and has them either killed early on, or they become corrupted and almost as bad as their enemies when it comes to winning a war. He seems to value dishonest, sneaky people and bad people who hang onto power just long enough, that when they finally get their comeuppance, it is both very un-memorable, and you've gone beyond caring whether they live or die anymore. And don't get me started on the ultimate betrayal the fans suffered with the last two seasons of the show!
Never watched the Sopranos.
The Netflix interpretation of "The Witcher" was, from what I've heard from fans, a really bad translation, despite using Henry Cavil as the lead, and frankly, a lot of the story disgusted me. Half the time, you're rooting for the hero, and half the time you wish the hero would leave the ungrateful jerks he fights for to their fate. I keep wondering how the books and video games compare, considering how upset the fans were over the series, so I have a feeling they weren't exactly the same. The story also seemed to be drowning in lectures about how great extreme feminism is and how awful bigotry towards other races is. It's why I couldn't bring myself to finish the first season on the second viewing, and nobody could convince me to watch the seasons that came after that.
A good warrior knows when to study the enemy, and when to choose their battles. Some are worth fighting, others aren't. If you have no idea how the enemy thinks, you're gonna have no clue how to fight them later on when the battle comes to your door. Knowledge and intellect can act as much of a shield when gathering intelligence on the enemy, and that includes what the Bible teaches. God never said we shouldn't learn how to defend ourselves. The Culture Wars going on are a fine example of this.
>To be fair, I find the nudity way less offensive than the near-constant Christian-bashing I've been seeing more and more often in sci-fi. I get very tired of hearing self-righteous atheists and humanists dissing God in these shows or movies, and nobody ever disagrees with them or has an opinion to the contrary. Or worse, the bad guy is a "Christian" and shows all the worst traits if fake Christians. It's one of many reasons I can't stand "The Expanse" and never got my own copy of "The Shape of Water" after watching the film once and reading the book once.
What the fuck are you on about regarding The Expanse?
The Mormons? Anna Volovodov (who was presented as a broadly good figure?)?
>My biggest issue with George R.R. Martin (aside from the fool not finishing his book series), is that he doesn't value people who are good and virtuous in his stories. (He's pretty much the "anti-Tolkien" of the writing world). He punishes them and has them either killed early on, or they become corrupted and almost as bad as their enemies when it comes to winning a war. He seems to value dishonest, sneaky people and bad people who hang onto power just long enough, that when they finally get their comeuppance, it is both very un-memorable, and you've gone beyond caring whether they live or die anymore. And don't get me started on the ultimate betrayal the fans suffered with the last two seasons of the show!
So don't watch gritty fantasy.
It's as simple as that. Although your interpretation of the major characters in Game of Thrones is dodgy to say the least, there's a lot of heroism across the book even if it isn't as plain and as whiter-than-white as something like Lord of the Rings.
>The Netflix interpretation of "The Witcher" was, from what I've heard from fans, a really bad translation, despite using Henry Cavil as the lead, and frankly, a lot of the story disgusted me. Half the time, you're rooting for the hero, and half the time you wish the hero would leave the ungrateful jerks he fights for to their fate. I keep wondering how the books and video games compare, considering how upset the fans were over the series, so I have a feeling they weren't exactly the same. The story also seemed to be drowning in lectures about how great extreme feminism is and how awful bigotry towards other races is. It's why I couldn't bring myself to finish the first season on the second viewing, and nobody could convince me to watch the seasons that came after that.
This is nonsense.
The Witcher had a variety of writing problems in the show, to be sure, but I don't ever recall any lectures about how "great extreme feminism" was.
In case anyone was curious about the bible being against nudity and lust.
6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the Lord.
7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.
All this surely assumes that it will be nudity and lust hand in hand which is condemned - not nudity per se, which was the earlier point made?
EG
Isaiah 20:2-4 ESV
At that time the Lord spoke by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, “Go, and loose the sackcloth from your waist and take off your sandals from your feet,” and he did so, walking naked and barefoot. Then the Lord said, “As my servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot for three years as a sign and a portent against Egypt and Cush, so shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptian captives and the Cushite exiles, both the young and the old, naked and barefoot, with buttocks uncovered, the nakedness of Egypt.
or Job 1:21 ESV :
And he said, “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.”
Are instances where nudity of itself is actually the preference of God.
I remember you from the IMDB board. You the same guy?
shareIndeed I am. But I don't like it much here, it is too quiet and one has to wait minutes before making a second post. Life is too short!
shareThe time limit between posts will go down after you do about 100 posts. There is usually only about a 30 second limit between posts. The religion board doesn't have much activity. General discussion is where most of the action is.
shareGymnophobia refers to an actual fear of nudity, but most sufferers with the condition learn how to function in general society despite the condition.
sharemeaning?
shareI just wanted to be reassuring....
shareso trolling then. Like I said you'll fit right in.
shareProviding information germane to the OP is trolling? You seem very quick to characterise people, as I said when you first called me this. Apparently sufferers of gymnophobia, of which you admit, experience undue anxiety (even frustration in your case, you say) even though they realize their fear is irrational. Their fear may stem from anxiety about sexuality in general, from a fear that their bodies are physically inferior, or from a fear that their nakedness leaves their bodies--and their personalities--exposed and unprotected. A very strict moral or religious education that prohibits or stigmatizes nudity can also contribute to the development of gymnophobia. These limiting beliefs 'can create a negative association with nudity from a young age, leading to an irrational fear of it in adult life.
Many people with gymnophobia are unable to participate in sexual activities and may develop a more generalized genophobia, or fear of sex that stems from their gymnophobia. . https://www.verywellmind.com/gymnophobia-fear-of-nudity-2671747
It is difficult to work your way through the mess that is current-day Hollywood, that much is true. I don't say this to be pious or sound "holier-than-thou", but I tend to generally avoid most R-rated movies. In fact, I was looking at my Blu-Ray collection recently, checking the rating for each title (mainly from curiosity), and discovered I had about 30 of them. My initial response was along the lines of "Good God; when did this happen?"
Now, allow me to explain something right away: I am obviously not against all films given the R rating in total. For me, it depends on why that rating was assigned, and how the more mature material fits into the story. For example, there's a ton of blood and graphic violence in "The Passion of the Christ", plus a few brief frightening images. But there's also no explicit swearing, and no sexual content at all. So the main reason for the rating in this case was more than likely due to violence.
By contrast, one of my all-time favorite mainstream films is "The Crow", starring Brandon Lee. It was given an R rating in 1994, but if you were to judge it by today's standards it would likely be seen as relatively tame. Most of the violence is not overtly bloody, one character is a drug addict, and the sexual content is fairly minor for the rating boundaries (actress Bai Ling is briefly shown from behind in a shower, and there's also a short glimpse of a dead topless woman). But in my opinion, the biggest reason for the rating is the language; the criminal characters swear so much they'd make most sailors blush, and Lee's character does at least once. The main reason I enjoy the film so much is that despite its content and overall dark tone, the heart of it contains a love story so powerful its almost Shakespearean. The final narration sums up the whole thing perfectly: "If the people we love are stolen from us, the way to have them live on is to never stop loving them. Buildings burn, people die...but real love is forever."