I wonder how Israel's army will perform since they're no longer fighting mainly toddlers and pregnant women in Gaza which is cowardly, immoral and an international war crime.
Right-wing gun nuts should love Hezbollah since they're both into the 2nd amendment and private militias.
I just heard they weren't hurt that much. There appears to be a difference between what the mainstream news reports and the truth in regard to Israel. I'm trying to find the truth.
I like the way you mindlessly repeat talking points from politicians who are committing war crimes, genocide and violating human rights. Terrorist state Israel blows up civilians including young children. Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and just slaughtered over 50k mainly unarmed innocent women and children.
"hellzbollah... a known terrorist non law abiding group of people."
"you would be proud of hellzbollah"
Spend more time educating yourself about what's really happening in the Middle East instead of mindlessly repeating talking points and attacking people who are attempting to discuss it online.
NONSENSE. An example of a “talking point” would be me declaring that Kamala chose Walz over Josh Shapiro because she's antisemitic. And hellzbollah does purposely create chaos and terror. Can't argue facts.
Your belief that Kamala should have chosen Shapiro because he's Jewish is anti-Semitic.
Israel is creating chaos and terror throughout the entire region. Millions of innocent civilians displaced and tens of thousands killed by Israelis. Can't argue facts.
Israel creates chaos and terror. When Israel stops illegally occupying Palestinian territory then Hezbollah will no longer need to defend defenseless women and children being slaughtered by European colonialists.
If Hezbollah are Palestinians fleeing the old wars, why not just move the Gazans into Lebanon instead? Easily solved. Now they got a whole state to live freely in. Pretty much took over the once Christian dominated nation.
For the same reason you wouldn't ask all Americans to just move to Canada and allow Mexicans to have the U.S.. Palestinians have their own state, regional cultures, regional dialects, cuisines, villages and farmland, regional clothes, houses, etc. where they lived for generations. They love their land. You're thinking that all Arabs are the same and are interchangeable which isn't the case.
Palestine used to be majority Greek-speaking Eastern Orthodox Christian also, but most converted to Islam. When Palestinians regain their freedom and land, the millions of Palestinians living in the diaspora will finally return home including the ones living in Lebanon. Btw, Bethlehem used to be majority Christian until Israelis ethnic-cleansed them. Christian Armenians are facing the same threat from Israelis.
Prof. Norman Finkelstein said that Israel will lose the ground war with Israel the same way they did previously. After three days, they begged the U.S. to help them end the war because so many Israeli soldiers died. He said Israel uses planes to bomb like they did with Gaza to weaken them before going in, but don't like to fight ground wars because too many soldiers die. He said the IDF enjoys torturing, killing, humiliating Arabs and shooting Arab children in the head and there were medical reports of multitude of Arab kids purposely targeted and shot in the head, but IDF soldiers don't want to die in real combat with armed men. Est. 100,000 Hezbollah. I also read an article by a retired Israeli general who complained that the IDF wasn't prepared for war because they spent all of their time policing civilians instead of military training. This is the Finkelstein video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arUHCv1iXgk
Not even comparable as Americans are the ones kicking ARSE. It'd be the Mexicans moving to South America if anything.
And they are more or less the same. Same plight, same hate, same religion, same getting destroyed. If they're any different it'd only be by nuanced means. Sounds more like forced conversion if anything. You don't go majority of something then all of a sudden decided to just convert your established religion without some outside forces or control. I agree on the Christian forced into dwindling numbers. I saw videos of them being spat near their feet by ultra-orthodox Jews.
Israel is gonna lose the ground war with itself? Wut? Lol.
"And they are more or less the same. Same plight, same hate, same religion, same getting destroyed. If they're any different it'd only be by nuanced means."
I'd imagine you don't even personally view yourself as similar to someone that supports the opposite political party in your country. In spite of that trivial distinction, you dismissively classify all cultures in the region as identical. That statement only makes you look ignorant regardless.
Hezbollah has already demonstrated how easily Israel's defense systems can be overcome by the likes of drone swarm tactics. Israel's most powerful weapon in its arsenal, it's military alliance with the United States, has nothing to do with it's own combat abilities and is the only reason that Iran and it's allies are not invading Jerusalem.
One analyst made an interesting point about how Iran is arming and financing several military groups closer and surrounding Israel. Groups like the Houtis and Hezbollah are more difficult for the U.S./Israel to buy off and control like a government (ex. Egypt, Jordan). Think guerrila warfare. Drones and missiles technology improves over time. Iran and its proxies and allies are playing the long game. It's also impossible to get Palestinians or any group to happily and willingly accept their own oppression so anyone killed by Israelis will be replaced by an angry relative/friend/victim of Israel's settler-colonialism.
Meanwhile, opposition to Israel's oppression will only grow as time passes in the U.S. especially as more Americans become aware of Palestinian cruel and sadistic maltreatment like I have during the summer.
>I wonder how Israel's army will perform since they're no longer fighting mainly toddlers and pregnant women in Gaza which is cowardly, immoral and an international war crime.
Dude, Israel in a direct confrontation with Hezbollah would fucking demolish them in conventional combat. It's hardly going well now for Hezbollah is it?
U.S. weapons bought by U.S. money. Yes, Hezbollah is fighting a world power, the U.S., but remember that the Taliban won in Afghanistan. And we're on the wrong side of history if this conflict is about the genocide in Gaza.
The Taliban "won" the war because the USA got exhausted after 20 years of occupation, and trying to build up local Afghanistan forces. The USA took 2.5k deaths in Afghanistan in over 20 years. That's pathetic.
Taliban lives in Afghanistan, therefore they only needed to wait it out since the U.S. was going to eventually leave. They also made the occupation difficult by destroying any infrastructure the U.S. created.
Israelis are completely delusional about several matters:
1. Israel is not a safe haven for Jews since 1948.
2. Palestinians will never accept oppression, therefore will always fight. Ditto neighboring allies.
3. Israelis don't belong in the region and their dual citizen passports prove that they're ready to flee.
4. Israel's pariah state status will only grow along with opposition against their warmongering and oppression.solution by
5. Eventually the U.S. will force a 2-state solution. U.S. is the only reason Israel is still around. We just gave them another $8.7 billion dollars after they attacked Lebanon.
I'll add that Israel doesn't need to be defeated militarily to lose. Economic boycotts work and countries, especially Muslim, could stop buying their weapons, technology and other products, it would crash their economy. If the U.S. threatens to stop financial aide to these countries, they can always threaten to ally themselves with Russia and China like African countries are doing.
>1. Israel is not a safe haven for Jews since 1948.
Heavily due to Hamas and Hezbollah.
>2. Palestinians will never accept oppression, therefore will always fight. Ditto neighboring allies.
I don't think they should accept oppression, but launching bombs at Israel randomly is doing them no PR favours.
>3. Israelis don't belong in the region and their dual citizen passports prove that they're ready to flee.
So back to your mass expulsion argument then.
>4. Israel's pariah state status will only grow along with opposition against their warmongering and oppression.solution by
The world doesn't care enough to do anything about it beyond condemnations. Even Iran only functions via proxies.
>5. Eventually the U.S. will force a 2-state solution. U.S. is the only reason Israel is still around. We just gave them another $8.7 billion dollars after they attacked Lebanon.
And how will the USA force this?
>I'll add that Israel doesn't need to be defeated militarily to lose. Economic boycotts work and countries, especially Muslim, could stop buying their weapons, technology and other products, it would crash their economy.
"Right, but the USA was not military defeated."
U.S. was defeated.
"Heavily due to Hamas and Hezbollah."
Not really since they're relatively new. It used to be PLO, surrounding Arab countries, the British... The near future will blame emerging groups, secular Jews, U.N., liberal Americans... My point still stands that "Israel is not a safe haven for Jews since 1948."
"launching bombs at Israel randomly is doing them no PR favours"
You mean like Israel is doing? What's good for the geese is good for the gander.
"So back to your mass expulsion argument then"
It has already happened. So many Israelis have left since Oct. 7th that remaining Israelis are having trouble getting doctor appointments and doing other business because many have already left. More to leave as the war broadens and the economy continues to weaken.
"The world doesn't care enough to do anything about it beyond condemnations."
Political leaders don't care. The public does and will likely grow stronger forcing politicians to do something.
"Even Iran only functions via proxies."
I agree with you that the surrounding countries governments are useless since they've been brought off. That's the reason the proxies are a clever idea because they surround Israel and are growing stronger and can't be brought off which are the reasons Israel feels so threatened.
"And how will the USA force this?"
Israel has always been a weak country supported by a super power. Originally, it was Britain. Now, it's the U.S.. The U.S. gives Israel a long lease, but when the U.S. finally tells Israel to do something, it always does. That's a historical reality. Eventually, the U.S. will place stipulations on that money given to Israel which will force Israel to comply. Israel is a proxy of the U.S..
"Israel doesn't export much to the Islamic world at all."
Moody's lowered Israel’s credit rating for the second time in a year on Sept. 27th. Tourism is dead. 46k stores closed. 287,000 employees are fighting. War cost $67+ billion through 2025.
A poor economy will be another reason to leave Israel.
Not militarily. They lost popular support at home.
>Not really since they're relatively new. It used to be PLO, surrounding Arab countries, the British... The near future will blame emerging groups, secular Jews, U.N., liberal Americans... My point still stands that "Israel is not a safe haven for Jews since 1948."
What secular terrorist groups do you see emerging on the horizon exactly?
>Political leaders don't care. The public does and will likely grow stronger forcing politicians to do something.
Can I see some data that most of the public in western countries care enough to make it a primary voting issue.
>It has already happened. So many Israelis have left since Oct. 7th that remaining Israelis are having trouble getting doctor appointments and doing other business because many have already left. More to leave as the war broadens and the economy continues to weaken.
Can I see some data for this claim please
>I agree with you that the surrounding countries governments are useless since they've been brought off. That's the reason the proxies are a clever idea because they surround Israel and are growing stronger and can't be brought off which are the reasons Israel feels so threatened.
Except Hezbollah now seems to face the prospect of hugely diminished operational capacity, as Israel has had enough. Any evidence they're "growing stronger"?
>Israel has always been a weak country supported by a super power. Originally, it was Britain. Now, it's the U.S.. The U.S. gives Israel a long lease, but when the U.S. finally tells Israel to do something, it always does. That's a historical reality. Eventually, the U.S. will place stipulations on that money given to Israel which will force Israel to comply. Israel is a proxy of the U.S..
U.S. was defeated. Very similar to what happened wen we lost in Vietnam.
"secular terrorist groups" is a loaded trigger term used to elicit emotion instead of dialogue. I repeat that oppressed people fight against their oppression, therefore resistance groups and leaders will always emerge.
"Earlier, the Palestinian Mujahidin Movement claimed responsibility for a shooting attack that left eight people dead in southern Tel Aviv. "
I told you so!
You're not American so I assume you're unaware of how powerful the lobbyists are here. Two congresspersons were literally defeated because lobbyists spent tens of millions against them for asking to end the Gazan genocide. Thousands of democrats around the U.S. voted non-committed during the primary against "Genocide Joe".
You have access to the internet like I do. There are plenty of newspapers online that you can read like I do to stay better informed about what's happening in Palestine/Israel.
Book recommend:
"The Palestine Laboratory:How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World" by Antony Loewenstein
>U.S. was defeated. Very similar to what happened wen we lost in Vietnam.
USA lost way more troops in Vietnam than they did in Afghanistan and war exhaustion was the reason for the pullout.
>"secular terrorist groups" is a loaded trigger term used to elicit emotion instead of dialogue. I repeat that oppressed people fight against their oppression, therefore resistance groups and leaders will always emerge.
Use whatever terminology you want. What secular "resistence" groups do you see emerging on the horizon?
>I told you so!
Are mass shootings against random Israelis valid acts of resistance in your mind?
>You're not American so I assume you're unaware of how powerful the lobbyists are here. Two congresspersons were literally defeated because lobbyists spent tens of millions against them for asking to end the Gazan genocide. Thousands of democrats around the U.S. voted non-committed during the primary against "Genocide Joe".
I'm not unaware of this at all. I'm also not unaware that the Democrats would lose way more support if they aligned with Hamas or Hezbollah.
You seem to think Hamas isn't a genocidal islamosupremacist movement, so I won't take any lectures from you about the conflict.
U.S. lost in Vietnam. U.S. lost in Afghanistan. Stop debating the obvious.
Reread:
"Earlier, the Palestinian Mujahidin Movement claimed responsibility for a shooting attack that left eight people dead in southern Tel Aviv. "
I told you so!
Are mass shootings, bombings and explosions against random Palestinians, Lebanese, Iranians, Yemenites, Syrians and Iraqis valid acts of self defense in your mind?
"genocidal islamosupremacist movement"
Your ignorant racism and Islamophobia are showing.
Genocide is placing millions of Palestinians in a crowded Concentration Camp and then depriving them of food, water, shelter and healthcare while repeatedly bombing schools, refugee camps, residential areas, places of worship and hospitals with megaton bombs taregeting mainly defenseless women and children.
>U.S. lost in Vietnam. U.S. lost in Afghanistan. Stop debating the obvious.
They were not militarily defeated. Especially in Afghanistan.
>Your ignorant racism and Islamophobia are showing.
>Are mass shootings, bombings and explosions against random Palestinians, Lebanese, Iranians, Yemenites, Syrians and Iraqis valid acts of self defense in your mind?
I asked first. Answer my question you "whataboutism" clown. Is shooting random Israelis self-defence?
You think it's racist and "Islamophobic" to call Hamas a bunch of islamosupremacist terrorists? Can you explain to me how they're not?
>Genocide is placing millions of Palestinians in a crowded Concentration Camp and then depriving them of food, water, shelter and healthcare while repeatedly bombing schools, refugee camps, residential areas, places of worship and hospitals with megaton bombs taregeting mainly defenseless women and children.
Does this somehow mean that Hamas aren't genocidal?