Anyone Notice Rise in Asian-Americans on TV - Politics Discussion

[–] B1cKsurN (17834) a year ago

Remember when they ended the "Stop Asian Hate" campaign when it was clear that pretty much all the hate was coming from Blacks?

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

Certainly, most of the videos I saw of the attacks they were not of white supremacists attacking Asians. Maybe a few more Asians on tv make up for them being discriminated against in regard to places in Ivy League schools. Then perhaps we can sort out the lack of Asians in the NBA and NFL.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Most anti-Asian attacks committed by whites – new study
https://socialinnovation.ucr.edu/news/2021/06/17/most-anti-asian-attacks-committed-whites-new-study

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/justinphillips/article/Studies-show-that-white-people-drive-anti-Asian-16520527.php

Asians said most attacks are from whites as is discrimination by mass media.

Lack of POC in most sports including golf, tennis, swimming, gymnastics, hockey, horse racing, bowling, polo, car racing, etc.. Also lack of POC coaches and executives. DEI needed until YOU sort it out.

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

Certainly, odd that with these stats we see on a piece of paper aren't what we are seeing with our eyes with the violent attacks caught on video. very strange. Some sports are dominated by whites some by blacks. People only want DEI when it suits them.

AUSA Today writer posted an op-ed on Thursday stating that "the Black players who built women's hoops…haven't been acknowledged," and "it matters that the faces of the future look like the faces of the past."

In the piece, with a headline, "Women's basketball needs faces of future to be Black," Lindsay Schnell, an enterprise reporter for the outlet, wrote that JuJu Watkins and Hannah Hidalgo are set to become the future of women's basketball.

"Not lost on any of the powerbrokers in the game: Both of these players are Black. And in a game built by Black women, it matters that the faces of the future look like the faces of the past," Schnell wrote.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/usa-today-writer-it-matters-that-the-faces-of-the-future-of-womens-college-basketball-are-black/ar-BB1jzcAU

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You're off-topic. My subject was about Asian-Americans appearing in the mass media. They were always here, but white racism prevented them from being hired. They had to complain to change things.

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[–] B1cKsurN (17834) a year ago

They were always here, but white racism prevented them from being hired.

That's a claim that needs some backing up. Hollywood is very dominated by Jews...sure its not them doing the discriminating?

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

I'm on topic. Someone mentioned anti-Asian hate and how the media stopped reporting when people noticed that most of the videos showed blacks attacking Asians.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Most anti-Asian attacks and racism are from whites including Trump.

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

Why are most of the violent physical attacks caught on video we see the perpetrators are not white?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

"official crime statistics and other studies revealed more than three-quarters of offenders of anti-Asian hate crimes and incidents, from both before and during the pandemic, have been white"

"that upward of 75 percent of news stories identified perpetrators as male and white in instances of physical or verbal assault and harassment when the race of the perpetrator was confirmed. Wong said the numbers could even be an underestimate."

"You have security camera videos that are more available and prevalent in certain types of urban settings. And so that's what's available to people in terms of sharing," Ramakrishnan said. "The videos are more viral than if it's something that doesn't have any imagery or video connected to it, like something that's happening in the suburbs, for example."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/viral-images-show-people-color-anti-asian-perpetrators-misses-big-n1270821

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

I'll go by what I see with my eyes. That is practically every violent attacks we see the perpetrators are not white. Anti-Asian hate in the black community is something that can't be denied.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Nonsense! You're a racist bigot who can't deal with research that counters your hatred.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

Bullshit! You're the one who can't deal with research that counters your hatred. Your completely dishonest response to the City Journal article I showed you explaining the serious flaws in the studies on anti-Asian hate crimes you cited is the ultimate proof.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Asians know who their attackers are - 75% white men.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

challenge: actually explain why I'm wrong about the facts on this issue

If you weren't a lazy bum and you actually read the City Journal article I linked to or even just my initial post here discussing it then you would know that that 75% statistic comes from a study where the victims didn't know the perpetrator's race in 86% of the hate crimes examined. Which means that the victims actually knew the race of their attacker in only 14% of the attacks studied.

Furthermore, that 75% statistic is based on a mere 12 out of 16 incidents. 12 out of 16! That sample size is too small to definitely prove anything about anti-Asian crimes. There's an average of 180,000 violent crimes against Asian Americans every year. Only a teeny, tiny fraction of 1% of those violent crimes get categorized as hate crimes. That "12 out of 16" statistic says more about the arbitrary nature of determining what counts as a hate crime than about anything else. Your "75%" statistic is only true of the small minority of violent crimes against Asian Americans in which the victims were able to identify the race of the perpetrator and which account for the teeny, tiny fraction of 1% of violent crimes against Asian Americans arbitrarily categorized as hate crimes.

Finally, that study only included hate crimes that were "coronavirus-related". That means that the study did not examine hate crimes against Asians as a general phenomenon.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Asians know who their attackers are - 75% white men.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

Repeating the same false claims from before word for word doesn't change the facts. How do you know I'm wrong when you didn't even read my comment?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Police reports outweigh your opinion.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

I don't dispute any police reports, stupid. I'm just pointing out the flaws in the research you cite based on those police reports. Are you smart enough to understand the difference? You can't deny the facts.

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

Sorry, but if whites were attacking Asians at such a vastly higher rate than blacks are attacking Asians then the videos would show whites attacking Asians at a vastly higher rate than blacks attacking Asians. They don't.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You can't read. My link already said there are vastly more security cameras in POC urban areas than white suburban and rural areas. Your denial is both racist against blacks and anti-Asian since you refuse to believe what Asians themselves are saying about who is attacking them.

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

You are correct, Asians are saying blacks are violently attacking them. CCTV, security cameras, cell phone footage, doorbell cameras etc. They're everywhere and still a large amount show violent attacks on Asians are by blacks.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

It may interest you to know that 5 days ago in this same discussion I showed Keelai an article explaining the serious flaws in the same studies on anti-Asian hate crimes that she's telling you about here. She's dishonestly ignoring everything I explained to her. Here's the article:

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-hate-crime-distraction

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Asians know who is attacking them. Your denial of their complaints is anti-Asian.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

I'm NOT denying the complaints of Asian-Americans. I'm merely exposing the flaws in the research you cited on hate crimes against Asian-Americans. In 86% of the hate crimes studied, the victims did NOT know the race of who was attacking them. And the research you cited says nothing about the 180,000 violent crimes against Asian Americans every year that are NOT categorized as hate crimes. Do you have any statistics on the perpetrators of those crimes?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Your OPINION is worthless. Research proves you're wrong.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

It's not an opinion. It's just the facts. The research on the research you cited proves that you're wrong.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Your OPINION = worthless

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

You freaking moron! You're telling OffTheBoatPsycho about the same studies on anti-Asian hate crimes that I told you were extremely flawed 5 days ago here! This is what you get for not actually reading my posts or the articles I link to.

That 75% statistic of white male perpetrators for anti-Asian hate crimes comes from the University of Michigan Virulent Hate Project study. That statistic is based on a mere 12 out of 16 incidents. And even that tiny sample size hardly proves anything because the perpetrator’s race was not known in 86% of physical attacks. Furthermore, the study didn't encompass all anti-Asian hate crimes. It only included hate crimes based on anger over the Covid pandemic.

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

Rufo does good work. Keelai is a lost cause.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Your attempt to discredit research by an Asian based on police reports as well as deny Asian-American ccomplaints are anti-Asian hatred.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

Now you're making a lazy appeal to authority. Even Asian researchers sometimes do poor statistical research, just like researchers of all races sometimes do. To claim that Asian researchers do perfect statistical research 100% of the time, as you seem to be doing, is what would actually be racist.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You believe your opinion outweighs scientific research headed by an Asian-American. You're an arrogant entitled Anti-Asian bigot!

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

No, I believe the facts outweigh poorly done scientific research that doesn't tell the full story about the issue. The fact that the research was headed by an Asian American is irrelevant. That's just a a lazy appeal to authority. All you proved is that you don't understand the actual basis of good scientific research. Nothing I said constitutes anti-Asian bigotry.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Your faulty opinion = worthless

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

It's not an opinion. It's just the facts. You're just a giant baby who doesn't want to admit that I'm right. Prove me right about that by responding with another stupid statement that uses an equal sign.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

Those studies blaming most anti-Asian hate crimes on whites are completely misleading. The following article explains why:

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-hate-crime-distraction

The study by Janelle Wong doesn't focus on violent crime. It focuses on hate incidents against Asian-Americans and most of those consist of "verbal harassment" and "shunning", which are not crimes. 82% of recorded anti-Asian incidents were not physically violent.

The University of Michigan Virulent Hate Project study specifically focused on coronavirus-related, anti-Asian racism in the U.S. Most of these incidents were not actually crimes. Fewer than 1 in 6 of the incidents counted as "physical harassment", with one 3rd of those falling into the subcategory of "spitting, coughing and sneezing". Of the 16 cases of physical harassment in which the perpetrator’s race was actually known, 12 had white perpetrators. That hardly proves anything given that the perpetrator’s race was not known in 86% of physical attacks. And there's also the problem that the study excluded hate crimes that weren't "coronavirus-related".

On top of that, these statistics only obscure the real threat to Asian Americans. In the U.S. there's an average of 180,000 violent crimes against Asian Americans every year but an average of only 24 violent anti-Asian hate crimes every year because barely any violent crimes get designated as hate crimes. The overwhelming majority of violent crimes committed against Asian Americans that aren't hate crimes are for more of an actual threat to Asian Americans than the tiny number of hate crimes but those studies you cite don't say anything about what racial group commits most of those violent crimes.

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[–] B1cKsurN (17834) a year ago

Apparently you can take a shit in a box, call it a study...and they will believe whatever you tell them.

Unreal.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Now, you're denying anti-Asian hate crimes after defending white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

At least you're not pretending to be Jewish anymore.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

I'm not "denying" anti-Asian hate crimes. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in the studies you cite about the demographics of those responsible for those hate crimes. And some of those supposed hate "crimes" referenced in the studies you cite weren't actually crimes. That's an undeniable fact.

Now why don't you act like a mature adult and just admit that the studies you cited were extremely flawed and don't prove what you claimed they did? Why do you have to be a total baby with every single issue you discuss on this forum?

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[–] B1cKsurN (17834) a year ago

Racism and narcissism are very closely related.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Your OPINION is irrelevant since it isn't backed-up by anything except your prejudice.

I'll stick with the research and obvious centuries of legislation, policies and Supreme Court decisions which prove white anti-Asian behavior.

We're Suing Florida for Anti-Asian Housing Discrimination
https://www.aclu.org/podcast/were-suing-florida-for-anti-asian-housing-discrimination

The long history of racism against Asian Americans in the U.S.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-long-history-of-racism-against-asian-americans-in-the-u-s

FDR orders Japanese Americans into internment camps
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-signs-executive-order-9066

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

I'm NOT stating an opinion. I'm just telling you facts. You can't deny facts. The "research" you cite on anti-Asian hate crimes is a total joke. Those studies are extremely flawed. And none of the new links in your most recent response prove me wrong about that. I don't doubt the possibility that there could be anti-Chinese housing discrimination in Florida. I'm well aware of the long history of racism against Asian Americans in the U.S. and the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. NONE of those links prove me wrong about the serious flaws in the studies on anti-Asian hate crimes by Janelle Wong and the University of Michigan Virulent Hate Project. Stop being lazy and actually read this article to properly educate yourself on this matter:

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-hate-crime-distraction

Why can't you ever admit it when you're wrong about something? Why do you always insist on digging your hole further? Doing that doesn't get anyone to agree with you. It just shows everyone here that you're stubbornly dishonest.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

There you ago again defending white supremacy while denying hate crimes!

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

There you go again blatantly lying about what I said. I didn't defend white supremacy and I didn't deny hate crimes. I only pointed out the serious flaws in the studies you cite about the demographics of those responsible for anti-Asian hate crimes.

You can't deny facts! Just stop being a total baby and admit that those studies are too flawed to prove anything.

What will it take for you to have a serious, honest discussion about any political issue?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You're calling Asian-Americans liars about who is attacking them as if they wouldn't know.

Your post is anti-Asian.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

Actually, I did not call Asian Americans liars. I simply pointed out the serious flaws in the research you cited on hate crimes against them. Doing that didn't require me to accuse a single one of the victims of those crimes of being a liar. There was absolutely nothing "anti-Asian" about what I said.

Why don't you try actually saying something intelligent about the issue?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You're repeating your anti-Asian bigotry.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

Asian Americans are the most financially successful race in the USA. They also make up about 7% of the US population.

And I am unclear whether by Asian Americans you are lumping in Indian, Bangladeshi Americans or if you just mean Americans with Chinese/Korean/Japanese ancestry.

>We need more mass media representation and opportunities for Native-Americans, too. There are none on the majority of news programs, ads, movies or series. No reason why they can't be news anchors, invited as political, legal or medical news expert or just play a shop keeper or neighbor on a series either it specifically reflecting their ethnicity.

Native Americans (or people with Native American ancestry, more specifically) make up 3% of the US population.

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[–] Rorikon (18391) a year ago

Good culture and work ethic.

https://www.financialsamurai.com/income-by-race-why-is-asian-income-so-high/

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Model minority stereotype is damaging and dangerous. It also doesn't prevent the obvious discrimination throughout mass media.
https://www.voanews.com/a/asian-americans-still-face-prejudice-and-discrimination-study-finds/7378692.html

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

I simply pointed out their successes. These aren't persecuted groups. And Native Americans are such a small % I'd like to see data.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Asians were and are persecuted and were legally barred from immigrating to the U.S., becoming citizens, housing and job discrimination, massive discrimination in the mass media and targeted for hatred by Trump which lead to street assaults.

Native-Americans are obviously discriminated against in mass media. How many news commentators can you name? Experts of any kind on news shows? TV series on main channels? TV characters? Commercials with a Native actor/actress? Writers, directors, producers?

BTW, some Natives are labeled as Latino because they come from Spanish-speaking countries. They're also Native and even speak their original language, therefore the statistics are higher than "official" 2-3%.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

>Native-Americans are obviously discriminated against in mass media. How many news commentators can you name? Experts of any kind on news shows? TV series on main channels? TV characters? Commercials with a Native actor/actress? Writers, directors, producers?

I don't watch news shows. I don't watch any commercials. This isn't the 90s. I have no idea about writers, directors and producers.

Again, Native Americans make up 3% of the US population. I wouldn't expect to see them having a huge presence.

>BTW, some Natives are labeled as Latino because they come from Spanish-speaking countries. They're also Native and even speak their original language, therefore the statistics are higher than "official" 2-3%.

In this context, we would be talking about US native americans. You don't get to fluff the numbers. I did ask what you were defining as "Asian Americans" too.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You're on a movie and TV website. You named zero persons which proves my point.

European borders divided Native tribes in U.S., Canada and Mexico. You don't get to ignore Indigenous Americans nor discount their many legitimate grievances since they are also unrepresented.

From Asia descent. They're all severely underrepresented throughout mass media although I noticed a recent uptick.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

>You're on a movie and TV website. You named zero persons which proves my point.

Doesn't mean I watch US news channels or commercials.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls069676525/ List of Native American actors. Knock yourself out.

>European borders divided Native tribes in U.S., Canada and Mexico. You don't get to ignore Indigenous Americans nor discount their many legitimate grievances since they are also unrepresented.

We're specifically talking about citizens of the USA. Where is your statistical data that they are vastly underrepresented compared to their population size?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You didn't answer my question:

"How many news commentators can you name? Experts of any kind on news shows? TV series on main channels? TV characters? Commercials with a Native actor/actress? Writers, directors, producers?"

You still provided zero names. Your link is to actors in stereotyped roles. I'll add that their appearance is also a stereotype since there are Native who look white, black, Hispanic, etc.. You're proving my point about racism in the mass media.

"Where is your statistical data that they are vastly underrepresented compared to their population size?"

It's obvious when you can't name anyone.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

>"How many news commentators can you name? Experts of any kind on news shows? TV series on main channels? TV characters? Commercials with a Native actor/actress? Writers, directors, producers?"

I don't watch any network channels, or watch any commercials, or watch news channels (only British ones occasionally). I don't know the ancestry of many of the actors I see. I have no idea the ethnic background of most writers, producers, directors etc.

>You still provided zero names. Your link is to actors in stereotyped roles. I'll add that their appearance is also a stereotype since there are Native who look white, black, Hispanic, etc.. You're proving my point about racism in the mass media.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls565373740/

Here's another list of native american actors.

>It's obvious when you can't name anyone.

This is absurd. I simply don't pay attention to the ethnic background of people in TV shows I watch. I could have seen many with that ancestry and not noticed.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

More stereotypes. You only proved my point.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

..What stereotypes? That some of them played Native American roles?

It's just a list of actors with native american ancestry, with the author providing some description.

Here's another: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls523996426/

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Stereotyped Native roles. Why can't they play generic roles? And in the present-day? Any present-day lawyers, judges, teachers, reporters?

Your last link is mainly native Americans instead of Native-Americans.

Any family shows on main channels? Nope.

Anyway, you're off topic. My subject was about Asian-Americans. If you're British, I wouldn't expect you to know about their recent uptick on U.S. shows and ads.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

>Stereotyped Native roles. Why can't they play generic roles? And in the present-day? Any present-day lawyers, judges, teachers, reporters?

Plenty of them did do exactly that.

The literal first person in my link was a woman called Ashley Callingbull who does not only play native american roles. Then Julia Jones. Then Evan Adams. Then Paulina Axis.

>Your last link is mainly native Americans instead of Native-Americans.

"Celebrities with Native American ancestry."

I have no idea what it is you're supposed to be looking for here.

>Any family shows on main channels? Nope.

I have no idea. Who gives a fuck. It's not 1998 anymore. High budget TV is now Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Disney, Hulu etc.

And apparently the lead actress for Echo is native american. And then there's the well-regarded show "Reservation Dogs".

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[–] mechajutaro (2788) a year ago

This increase in East Asian representation is most pronounced in porn, where fans have noticed that penises have been rapidly decreasing in size, since about '17

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[–] BKB (11323) a year ago

Oh please, go beat your liberal drum elsewhere.. Do you ever come up for air??

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

As someone who lived in the Far East for several years and has decent Chinese language skills, I sometimes watch videos from that part of the world, which results in the advertising algorithm feeding me Asian-centric ads. I'm talking domestic ads that are geared toward the overseas Asian community. For example, Hyundai ads in Mandarin that are for the American market or other, similar situations.

You know what jumps out at you with these ads? No race mixing. No "stupid Asian gets shown up by sophisticated black man." No fatted and tatted women playing the role of highly desirable partner. It's all normal intact families who stick to their own. It's almost like the ad agencies understand that Asians aren't keen on being portrayed as having best friends and lovers who are of a swarthy complexion. In the main, Asians have no use for Africans and that preference is respected by the people who peddle our (((culture))). But white people? Hey man, you're being replaced and you just need to grab your ankles, bigot!

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

"No race mixing." "No "stupid Asian gets shown up by sophisticated black man."" "No fatted and tatted women playing the role of highly desirable partner." "all normal intact families who stick to their own." "swarthy complexion" "Asians have no use for Africans and that preference is respected by the people who peddle our (((culture)))." "you're being replaced"
Your racism is showing!

"bigot"
Your projection.

There are millions of European and African immigrants living in Asia.

Pres. Xi thanked Africans for supporting and voting to allow China as a UN member. Xi has successfully reduced poverty in China by creating infrastructure and stated he wants to help Africans by doing the same as a demonstration of friendship and thanks for their support. There are thousands of Chinese in Africa doing that now! Of course, there are interracial marriages!

Guangzhou, China's nickname is "Little Africa". Of course, there are interracial marriages there, also! Plenty of African college students and businessmen before the 15 million unemployment of young China hurt immigration.

There are interracial marriages inside and outside Asia. Youtube shows a few of them. You sound like Rusty.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

Do you know a single Asian person in real life? Again, I lived in the Far East for years, much of it in Taiwan, and have traveled extensively in China. Chinese people are about as racist as they come regarding the subject of Africans. Which is their prerogative, of course. There's no blanket virtue in accepting and promoting other races over your own.

Your racism is showing! -- So what? That's your morality, not mine. Why do you insist on forcing your beliefs on everyone?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Yes, of course! Many. My "cliques", schools, jobs, and neighborhood have always been extremely diverse and I haven't seen any racism among my Chinese friends. I know bigotry exists among all groups, but I've never witnessed it among them. Sadly, I've seen bigotry among my Hispanic, white and black friends and co-workers.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

"Some of my best friends...."

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Proudly and absolutely!

I'll remind you that YOU ASKED the question:
"Do you know a single Asian person in real life?"

That's why I know you're full of it especially when you don't distinguish between China and Chinese-Americans.

You're an anti-Asian bigot.

Neither do I believe you lived in Asia or know anything except stereotypes.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

Ha ha ha. You really have no idea what an ass you're making of yourself.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Having friends, acquaintances, neighbors, coworkers and schoolmates from diverse backgrounds is being an ass? I consider myself lucky since I enjoy learning and sharing cultures.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

I'm talking about your claim that I'm an anti-Asian bigot. You have no idea how stupid you are.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Your stereotypes = anti-Asian bigotry

You hate other groups, too!

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

You really should quit at this point.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Little Africa in China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeozdCPL9ds

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

"CHINESE MUSLIM FOOD AND VISITING A CHINESE MOSQUE AS BLACKMAN"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCNWmxCAr0

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

I can't believe you're defending China! You denied defending China when I called you out on it a month ago. China is committing all kinds of evil. It commits genocide against the Uyghurs in Xinjiang, occupies Tibet and persecutes the Falon Gong. China caused 15-55 million of its own people to starve to death in the Great Chinese Famine of 1959-1961.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

Yes, they are. Although I wouldn't describe it as just "their pregorative". And being not racist doesn't mean promoting other races over your own.

But Chinese Americans =/= Chinese people

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

If you polled huaqiao (overseas Chinese, no matter the country), they would overwhelmingly tell you that their identity primarily rests in being Chinese, not in being a citizen of whatever country in which they reside. The same holds true for Jews, South Asians, Arabs, etc., etc. Only of Europeans is it demanded they abandon their traditions and ties.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

Having an identity that primarily rests in being Chinese doesn't necessarily mean you hold racist positions against other ethnicities and cultures.

And again: being not racist doesn't mean "promoting other races" over your own.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

No, but in 2024 it means promoting anti-whiteness.

Having an identity that rests primarily on being Chinese (or Jewish, etc.) doesn't inherently mean you hold racist positions against outsiders, but it means you will give consideration to your fellow Han (Jews, etc.) over those who don't belong to your tribe. Yet this biologically evolved, purely human trait is culturally and legally denied to whites and whites only.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

>No, but in 2024 it means promoting anti-whiteness.

No reason to believe this.

Are you against mixed-races appearing in content at all?

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

Anti-whiteness in 2024? Surely not.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/anger-at-church-archdeacon-s-call-for-anti-whiteness/ar-BB1krWEq

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13232115/Theatre-white-check-privilege-door-soho-theatre.html

https://www.gbnews.com/news/itv-editor-fury-complaint-white-men

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/mar/18/london-black-out-night-welcomed-despite-no-10-concerns

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/boston-activists-seeking-15b-in-reparations-call-on-white-churches-to-commit-to-extending-wealth/ar-BB1ksMJh

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

91% of the Chinese population is Han Chinese.

And most of the 8%+ are going to be other East Asian groups.

So you do realise that is probably why you barely see black men in their media there, right?

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

Reading comprehension is obviously not your strength. To wit, "I'm talking domestic ads that are geared toward the overseas Asian community. For example, Hyundai ads in Mandarin that are for the American market or other, similar situations."

These are ads produced for and set in the Asian-American community. Every ad involving white people, what few remain on the airwaves, shoehorns race mixing and black supremacy into the message. Now why are advertisers so afraid to similarly offend their Asian customers?

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

What "black supremacy"?

What are the Hyundai ads you're referring to?

Also, I don't watch adverts so I have no idea why you even care.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

"black supremacy"?

He sounds like Rusty who is always complaining about "Islamosupremacy". Possible sock alert!

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

Islamosupremacy is undeniably an enormous problem throughout the Muslim world:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/65301cb5ca1d095d0bb7cf92/Israel-is-a-necessary-refuge-for-Jews-in-the-theocratic-hateful-and-repressive-Muslim-world

Why the hell shouldn't I complain about Islamosupremacy? Are you saying it's not really a problem? Your attitude towards Islamosupremacy is really rich considering that you constantly bash Israel.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Israeli soldiers assault a Palestinian child in a shop in Hebron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrrx9wki3sY

comments:
"Israel has the right to defend itself from children's clothes "
"What a tough guy. A grown man picking on a young boy."
"Four gunmen assaulting a child?!? Why ?? Absolutely disgusted by this."

Nobody likes Israel anymore. 2-state solution coming soon.

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

Why are you changing the subject? Why are you so afraid to discuss Islamosupremacy? It's the reason that there are no Jews in Jordan or Syria. A Muslim who wanted to do anything to a Jew in a shop in Jordan wouldn't even be able to find a Jew in any shops in Jordan because there are no Jews in Jordan. The problems between Israelis and Palestinians in Hebron are a result of the tolerance Israelis have but that doesn't exist in the surrounding Arab countries.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Topic:
Anyone Notice Rise in Asian-Americans on TV

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[–] RustyShacklefurd (2039) a year ago

You're the one who went off topic. You're the one who commented on me complaining about Islamosupremacy. You then went further off topic by telling me about something that happened in Hebron.

If it bothers you so much when other people go off topic then why do you constantly go off topic yourself? Do you plan to ever discuss anything on this forum with honesty and sincerity?

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

If you don't watch ads I'm wondering why you're commenting on them. The Hyundai ads I referred to are the Hyundai ads I referred to. They're Chinese language ads that promote Hyundai products to Chinese-speaking Americans. How can I make this any clearer?

As for black supremacy, it's easily observable that in any ad featuring white men with blacks, the white men are portrayed as being stupid, inept, and subservient. I defy anyone to point to an advertisement in which the opposite is true. No corporate executive would dare green-light such an ad because he/she would risk being called a "racist", and they all agree that no worse sin exists.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

>If you don't watch ads I'm wondering why you're commenting on them. The Hyundai ads I referred to are the Hyundai ads I referred to. They're Chinese language ads that promote Hyundai products to Chinese-speaking Americans. How can I make this any clearer?

These are Hyundai-made adverts, right? And they broadcast in the USA (I am not American)

>As for black supremacy, it's easily observable that in any ad featuring white men with blacks, the white men are portrayed as being stupid, inept, and subservient.

This is a thing? Like at scale? Does it represent the majority of adverts featuring white people? Are you somehow aware of their motives? Can you give me a specific example?

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

Yes, these would be ads for the Hyundai corporation. Like any other company, they go to an ad agency and say (in this case), "give me an advertisement for Chinese speakers who live in America." The ad agency whips it up and takes it back to the company who gives it the thumbs up or thumbs down. I know people that work in that business and they'll tell you that for ads focused on the population at large, they will demand lots of diversity, particularly blacks. But in these cases, Hyundai doesn't go back to the ad agency and say, "replace the Chinese husband with a black man, and then make sure that their kids have black friends!" Why? Because they are very sensitive to the cultural viewpoints of Chinese and don't want to offend them. Whitey, on the other hand, can go piss up a rope. As I said above, not only are blacks shoe-horned into every single advertisement -- in fact, if you watch a half hour of American television you'd think you were living in the Congo based on the ads -- but they're always depicted as being savvier and more successful than whites. Every. Single. Time.

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[–] Skavau (15993) a year ago

>Yes, these would be ads for the Hyundai corporation. Like any other company, they go to an ad agency and say (in this case), "give me an advertisement for Chinese speakers who live in America."

Who are based in Korea. So they don't care about US social issues so much.

> The ad agency whips it up and takes it back to the company who gives it the thumbs up or thumbs down. I know people that work in that business and they'll tell you that for ads focused on the population at large, they will demand lots of diversity, particularly blacks. But in these cases, Hyundai doesn't go back to the ad agency and say, "replace the Chinese husband with a black man, and then make sure that their kids have black friends!" Why? Because they are very sensitive to the cultural viewpoints of Chinese and don't want to offend them.

Is there any particular evidence that the Chinese-American diaspora are especially opposed to interracial relation? Is there something wrong with depicting interracial relations in a general sense?

There's obviously no particular reason to specifically appeal to, or try to appeal to white people. But would an advert that ONLY has white people in, for instance, be evidence of some example against that?

>in fact, if you watch a half hour of American television you'd think you were living in the Congo based on the ads -- but they're always depicted as being savvier and more successful than whites. Every. Single. Time.

I feel like this just isn't true. I flat out don't believe you.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

maixiu's confusing ads which target Americans vs. ads which target one specific ethnic group. Americans are diverse, therefore the people in ads are diverse. The Hyundai company is specifically targeting one specific ethnic group in each of their three ads: Chinese (Mandarin); Chinese (Cantonese); Korean.

He's talking about ads created by an American company likely shown on Chinese and Korean language channels in the U.S.:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-and-ten-advertising-develop-their-first-asian-american-campaign-my-love-my-son-in-law-for-the-tucson-suv-301738097.html

BTW, Chinese-American interracial marriage rate is very high. Ditto interracial social contact since they're a relatively small percentage outnumbered by other racial groups in most settings like jobs, schools, etc..

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

You're 100% confused.

You don't understand "target audience". That's the demographic to whom they're selling.

"Every ad involving white people, what few remain on the airwaves, shoehorns race mixing and black supremacy into the message."

The ad's target audience isn't white people. They're Americans. And America is diverse which is the reason you see diverse ads.

Furthermore, diverse families and their acceptance also increased which is the reason you see it in ads. It also makes economic sense to create one ad with multiple ethnic groups rather than multiple ads with each ethnic group.

""I'm talking domestic ads that are geared toward the overseas Asian community. For example, Hyundai ads in Mandarin that are for the American market or other, similar situations.""

Your sentence is literally incomprehensible.

Anyway, some ads are not targeted to the broad "American" target audience. In the Hyundai case, their target is specifically Asian-American which is a growing demographic. They added specific Asian cultural values into the ad to make them relatable. The ads are likely shown on U.S. Chinese and Korean language channels to reach a population that may not be watching English language shows.

It was created by a Californian ad agency called TEN Advertising for Chinese and Korean consumers.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-and-ten-advertising-develop-their-first-asian-american-campaign-my-love-my-son-in-law-for-the-tucson-suv-301738097.html

Not all Hyundai ads are diverse.

Hyundai also creates ads with only black or white people which can still be a broadly American target audience or specific racial demographic. I'm not in their marketing meetings.

For instance, the selling point safety:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8veo0v6HZ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HATSZnryr4w

Anyway, you're a racist.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

They added specific Asian cultural values into the ad to make them relatable..

I.e., they understand that in general Asians are not keen on miscegenation with blacks and so they studiously avoid portraying that in ads that are targeted to the Asian demographic. And this isn't limited to Hyundai. Asian-targeted ads in general adhere to this principle.

Anyway, you're a racist..

Again, so what? I don't subscribe to your morality. If you accused me of not eating Halal or of neglecting to burn ghost money, I'd say that doesn't matter to me because I'm not a Mohammedan or a Buddhist-Taoist. The same holds true here. You belong to a fundamentalist sect that unquestioningly accepts anti-white precepts, and when you use that word you mean "you're a bad person, a heretic!" and nothing more. I don't belong to your religion because its ends are destructive to my people. So why don't you explain to us why you think it's okay to target one specific race?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Nonsense! Intermarriage between Chinese-Americans marrying interracially with whites is extremely high 25-45%, but neither are there any whites in the ads disproving your racist belief.

Your ideology is white supremacy.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

Willfully ignoring this, "they understand that in general Asians are not keen on miscegenation with blacks and so they studiously avoid portraying that in ads that are targeted to the Asian demographic." Lies by omission are still lies, my friend.

Also, why won't you explain to us why you think it's okay to treat whites differently than you would treat any other race or ethnicity?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Willfully ignoring this: NO WHITES IN THE ADS!!!

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

So you're uncomfortable with rationalizing your anti-whiteness. You could at least be honest about it, admit it, and tell us why you feel justified in it, but you likely can't because it's a result of a lifetime of programming that you've glibly internalized without a second thought. And if tomorrow you got another firmware update via your television and computer, you'd alter your beliefs without stopping to think about what you're saying or thinking.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

How is diversity and inclusion anti-white when it means EVERYBODY?

Willfully ignoring this: NO WHITES IN THE ADS!!! Your own argument failed.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

It's anti-white when it's enforced and mandated only in white societies. Are there DIE programs anywhere else in the world except European-settled nations? Why do you support such transparent, racially driven bigotry?

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

U.S. isn't a white society.

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

There have always been asians on television. I haven't noticed a rise.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

There are many more now. It depends where you live, but I see more hired for news and in advertisements.

I grew up watching whites with taped-up eyes repeatedly portraying Asians so this is major progress to me.

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[–] maixiu (2862) a year ago

Because there isn't a rise, particularly in newsrooms, where having an Asian reporter/anchor has been a thing for decades. This was just an opportunity for Keelai to let the world know how brilliantly virtuous she is. It's like the old saying, "How do you know if someone is a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you!" The same holds true for the Keelais of the world. How do you know they get a thrill up their leg over non-whites? Don't worry, they'll let you know at every opportunity.

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[–] Keelai (36157) a year ago

Name five 1950-1960s female Asian main anchors on the three major networks NBC, ABC and CBS during the evening primetime news.

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