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Ukraine seems to be fatiguing faster than Russia on the war


https://youtu.be/dzzXDDVajyY


If they need to make a report like this then we know they're running low on fighting men. Russia usually wins by throwing vast numbers into the meat grinder like they did against Nazi Germany and the numbers show.

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Who could have seen that coming? Well, the Ukrainians still have all the women and children available to fight, they will be able to hold on another 6 months before zelensky and the other profiteers say oops and run away.

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Hold up, before it comes down to the Ukrainian women and children, the libs that voted for Biden and against Trump should be put in the front lines as meat grinder to fight against Russia.

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Anyone who wishes something like that for his fellow Americans should be careful not to quickly find himself in a "grinder".

Did you actually listen to the video which the OP seems to like so much? E.g.
"What's remarkable with this how few the numbers are [Ukrainians who refuse to fight] compared to Russia."

So, relax...neither you nor your fellow Americans will land in a "grinder".

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He is asking the people who are supporting a suicide pact to have courage in their convictions. It is not the same as the left who want their political opponents harmed simply because they have a different opinion. The grinder was completely avoidable if the left was not gullible and saw that the people they support don't give a shit about Ukraine and were simply using it to make money disappear.

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Doesn't change the fact they're running low. Takes time to train new units and my point stands on the fatigue wear as people grow tired of it if nothing is forthcoming between the lines of separation.

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"zelensky and the other profiteers"

whats that mean?
he is profitting from the war?
that he could have eneded it but didnt ?
that he started it ?


What you are asserting basically adds up to Zelenski murdering thousands of his countrymen - because theres some money in it for him?




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It just feels/seems that way if you see him getting on the cover of Vogue and hanging out with Hollywood celebs. He's safe from it all, traveling, doing some rich people things while there are people fighting the war for him. Take what you want from that but it just doesn't paint a pearly picture of him. It'd be akin to Trump golfing and doing rich people things while the US is at war or something (although Faux will find a way to make it a positive).

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he's safe from it all? wtf are you talking about.

you havent followed the war at all and dont know what you are talking about at all.

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I've followed it more than you ever would've. I've followed it since the beginning and have seen more blood and guts from that war then you ever would in your lifetime.

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Clearly you havent.

Zelenskyy was offered an escape by the US and UK government at the start of the invasion to become a government in exile because they thought Ukraine would be rolled over in short time.. He didnt take it and instead stayed in Kiev, Even as the russians approached were literally at the door 31 kilometres away. the consequences would have been either execution or excruciating Russian treatment. acting like this was heroic, brave and putting himself in harms wy to defend his country and that hes taking the easy way out is silly

WHile he has certainly travelled to advocate for Ukraine and gain support, hes been literally in the thick of it. Overseeing the country and governing in Underground tunnels.

so saying

He's safe from it all, traveling, doing some rich people things while there are people fighting the war for him. Take what you want from that but it just doesn't paint a pearly picture of him. It'd be akin to Trump golfing and doing rich people things while the US is at war or something (although Faux will find a way to make it a positive).


its the dumbest thing you could have said and shows incredible ignorance. He hasnt been safe from it all.theres been multiple attempts to assassinate him. by that Logic WInston CHurchill was a coward. why did he let others right his war for him???? why wasnt WInston on the front line??? Not sure what you want from Zelenskyy but seems nothing will satisfy you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

please stop spreading nonsense Mr. "I have seen more blood and guts from that war then you ever would in your lifetime."

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lol of course you dont respond. nice lies

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If Zelensky wanted to cut and run, he could have done it a long time ago.

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It means he is profiting from the war and all the people who tell him what to do are profiting like mad off of the war, and it also means he does not give a shit about the people who are dying for nothing just like Bush didn't give a shit about the American soldiers or Iraqi's that died because of him in the Middle East. It's time for you to grow up and realize that these constant wars are a business and the people promoting them don't feel a thing for those dying in them.
I bet you don't think Putin gives a shit about the soldiers he's losing or mourns their families loss. It's fascinating that you can understand how true that is but don't realize the other side is just like him.

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Dream on.
Russia tried and tries everything, but Ukraine will win.
Your ugly comparison with the Nazis failed several times.
https://moviechat.org/nm3305952/Volodymyr-Zelenskyy/64f80e6b603582098ffedbfa/Hail-Zelenskyy-Russian-Propaganda-Busted

Ukraine is already winner of the hearts. ♥

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He'a not wrong that the country, population and army of Russia is far far bigger though is he?

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Yep, Russia expected a fast win with low defense when they invaded Ukraine.
And tbh I didn't expect THAT fierce fight back from Ukraine either.

Ukrainians fight for their lives, their freedom and their families.
And with that they fight for the freedom in Europe 🇪🇺​...our freedom.
Ukraine deserves all our support!

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My bro, that is THEN, this is NOW. Things change, support change, opinions change with time. The TimeTunnel sees all and the results are slowly becoming apparent.

The West already has a myriad of issues they need to address at home along with the mostly failed counter-offensive that there is growing displeasure from the Western populations to not want to further support unless there is a money trail and proper reforms.

-Germany is becoming the 'Sick man of Europe' again and the far-right are rising
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/04/germany-is-the-sick-man-of-europe-and-its-causing-a-shift-to-the-right-top-economist-says.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Europe

-NATO running out of artillery shells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwKLCGl4HUc

-No new funding to Ukraine by the US for the next 45 days and any new funding is in question
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/ukraine-aid-impact-mccarthy-ouster-intl/index.html

-Poland already pausing military support for Ukraine

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"My bro..."
I'm neither yours nor a "bro".

This 'sick woman of Europe' will read your articles and watch your YT-video later.
After I got me something to eat (Hooray...still something in the fridge!).
And after checking the news how much further the Ukrainians kicked the Russian asses out of their country.
Until then!...to Russia with love! 🥱​

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That's okay. I meant it in passing. If you can't see the shifting change then ignorance is bliss. Some folks learn the hard way on this. Oh and speaking of which:

https://www.politico.eu/article/slovakia-president-caputova-says-no-military-package-ukraine-aid-after-elections-results/

You'd be surprised how much people care about their own well being first before helping others. If you can't help yourself, you're in no position to help anyone else.

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Oh, no worries.
Every day I can see the shift change in Putin's troll army. 💂​💂‍♂️​💂‍♀️​

And I'd better not say what the Slovak president can do.
The not-so-subtle way to say it here is LMA. 😜​

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I dont think merely looking at the facts makes you a "Putin supporting troll"

We all want the plucky underdogs to win but thats just what they are - underdogs

and the writings on the wall.

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When they're in the bubble they can't see that. Elections change and so do policy. When people's livelihood are affected they change their vote. This thinking of oh you're a Putin-bot seems reminiscent of woke culture at play. Like releasing criminals back onto the streets and saying crime is not happening or isn't all that bad.

Anyway, we all hope for Ukraine's success but it's up to people on how far they're willing to take it as progress is very miniscule at best and winter is not too far off.

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How anyone could even get the idea that I support Putin is a mystery to me.

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Trouble is you can’t believe the news, 99% of it is nothing more than propaganda. Russia is excellent at it and the west has even upstaged them in the amount of utter BS being thrown out about this conflict, but if you understand their reasoning it makes sense. They have to keep the citizens believing that the Ukraine/west is winning and that they are the good guys, they don’t want the people questioning the massive amount of unchecked money pouring into Ukraine.

When the truth is the Ukraine/west are losing by a lot and we are not the good guys, not that Russia is, but neither is the Ukraine/west..

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Yah, Ukraine is so evil and defend themselves.
How dare they!...everything only propaganda! 🙄​

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Ukraine is not defending themselves.
They never should have invaded the Donbas.
They never would have invaded the Donbas
if the US had not overthrown their government and
installed a puppet who bought nationalists who turned
out to be Nazi descendants into the government.
I don't like being a citizen of of a rogue nation - the US.
Do you know that the US and one other country are
the only countries that opposed ending the blockade of
Cuba. We are squeezing that country to death, as we
have done with many other countries - pretending that
we are supporting democracy, when we destroy their people.

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"Ukraine is not defending themselves.
They never should have invaded the Donbas."


At this point stopped to read.
Russia invaded 2014 the Ukrainian part of the Donbas!
You shouldn't only listen to the fairy tales of RT (Russia Today). ☻

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That's nonsense - read or don't read you don't get to lie like that.
When the US coupes Ukraine in 2014 Russia reacted preemptively
to hold on to Ukraine - a hugely valuable and strategic asset of
Russia that has been Russian and is still almost totally populated
with ethnic Russians.

A monitored vote was taken in Crimea and the outcome was to join
the Russian Federation. At this point NeoNazis and ultra-nationalists
in Ukraine began attacking the Donbas, shelling them for 8 years.

Anyway, find out for yourself - you know nothing about this history.

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You reached now the level of Orwell's "1984" in rewriting history. 🙄​

Because I'm tired to write always the same, here my statement about it.
https://moviechat.org/nm0386944/Adolf-Hitler/6507f4f866ca1c1f2a3bd0ab/Nazis-National-Socialism-WAS-Socialism?reply=650b44bd9797aa0f567aa859
(about happenings in Ukraine and the consequences)

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Not gonna read that.
Just a far-right wing spinoff.

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Nonsense.
Well, since you aren't able or willed to click on a link, here it is again:

Russia invaded 2014 Crimea in violation of international law.
Russia invaded the territory of a peaceful sovereign state!
This with the blatant lie that they've to defend Russian people there.

The same year Russians shot down the civilian flight MH17, which had mostly Netherlanders on board. 298 people died, among them many children and grandchildren. It didn't work to blame Ukraine for it though Russia tried almost everything to make the evidence disappear.
Netherlanders/Frisians are revengeful.
They won't give up until they find everyone responsible, stay wary.

Since about the same time our social networks are flooded with Putin's propaganda.
Putin's troll army spreads fake news and manipulates comment ratings.
Betimes it can be amusing.
https://moviechat.org/nm3305952/Volodymyr-Zelenskyy/64f80e6b603582098ffedbfa/Hail-Zelenskyy-Russian-Propaganda-Busted
It was a cute attempt to let the Ukrainian President appear like Hitler.
Zelenskyy as a Jewish Hitler?!...Leopard! 🐆​

Unfortunately, your lying and murderous Putin isn't amusing at all. ☻

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> Russia invaded 2014 Crimea in violation of international law.

Not true, at the very least open to debate. They rushed through a plebiscite
to join the Russian Federation and due to the majority of ethnic Russians
living them it passed handily.

If you first point is BS, not going to waste more time.

But if you wanted to press the point - why start a massive war,
which is what happened in the Donbas after Crimea. Kiev put
Ukrainian Nationalist Nazis on the border and shelled Donbas
for 8 years causing thousands of deaths.

Right before the Russian invasion, and the reason Biden knew
Russia was going to invade was that the weeks before the invasion
the shelling increased every day, signs that an invasion by
Ukraine was imminent. The European agency OSCE tracked and
logged this.

If Russia waited to fight an offensive war it would have been harder
and lost more lives - so they moved in to defend ethnic Russians.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/02/some-bits-on-ukraine.html

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Now it's clear from where your crude views and information come.

🌜​ Moon of Alabama 🌛​
"Where Barflies get together."
🪰​🪰​🪰​
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/02/some-bits-on-ukraine.html

Thanks for this insight! ☼

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Look at the OSCE link of artillery monitoring.
The mark of someone who doesn't believe their own shit is the constant assuming of expertise and the inane insult.

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Except Cuba isn't Democratic, they're Communists (if not Socialists by now).

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> they're Communists (if not Socialists by now)

Hahaha ... funny.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas

How dare the Donbas be part of Ukraine!!!!!Ukraine invaded their own country!!!

a Region occupied by Ukrainians for hundreds of years, and even during the USSR was still part of Ukraine despite the attempts to "russificate" the area and ship abunch of ethnic russians there! depsite this attempt

In the 1991 referendum on Ukrainian independence, 83.9% of voters in Donetsk Oblast and 83.6% in Luhansk Oblast supported independence from the Soviet Union. Turnout was 76.7% in Donetsk Oblast and 80.7% in Luhansk Oblast.[43] In October 1991, a congress of South-Eastern deputies from all levels of government took place in Donetsk, where delegates demanded federalisation.


How DARE Ukraine have land that is part of their country and defend it.. thats is sisckeing and clearly an act of aggressioN!

lol peak Russian apologist stupidity.

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Donbas is in Ukraine.

Why do you support Dictator Putin's invasions of soveign neighboring nations?

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> Why do you support Dictator Putin's invasions of soveign neighboring nations?

Why do you hate America?
Why do you hate the truth?
Why DON'T you ever get a clue?

You've had coming up on 2 years to learn about
this but you just keep blathering on the same talking points that are easily disproven
and clutching on to fake-facts. Do you also support the Palestinian too?

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Why do you support Dictator Putin's invasions of sovereign neighboring nations?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8BbIbuXQAATozu?format=jpg&name=small

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I don't. Why do you constantly use the same silly crap to try to justify a massive waste or lives and dollars to attack Russia when we should have been working a rapprochement. They would be a great help if fighting Middle East barbarism, which since you said nothing about I wonder why you support Hamas.

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No matter the issue, no other country has the right to invade another sovereign nation just to de-nazify or 'save' its people. It'd be like US invading Russia because they persecuted their citizen tourists or journalists or whatever. The reasoning Russia gave is the dumbest ever since Russia sits literally next to Ukraine and those so-called folks in the Donbass could easily just hop the borderline without any fear of persecution.

Also, Ukraine literally has no choice but to fight since if they lose the East, they lose the majority of its economy as the natural resources are mostly there. It's akin to Ukraine no longer existing.

“The worst scenario is that Ukraine loses land, no longer has a strong commodity economy and becomes more like one of the Baltic states, a nation unable to sustain its industrial economy”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/Minerals4/VKEFBQXJJ5DPFE7C7ETZWAZSKA/Minerals4-xlarge.jpg?v=7

Yellow = Coal
Red = Metal
Green = Gas
Purple = Oil

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According to the UN nations do have the right under certain circumstance to do exactly that - it was the justification the US used in the UN with NATO in Kosovo ya ignorant slut.

Thanks to the US/CIA, etc Ukraine is going to end up broken. Russia will and should take everything East of the river and along the coast that Ukraine wanted to use to cut Russia off from the sea.

Not to mention it is not a priority, and now we are vulnerable at a time when the US is not population with terrorist countries who are making their move.

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Russia has only lost 1 soldier for every 7-9 Ukrainian soldier.
Anyone who knows said that Ukraine never stood a chance.
I don't support this war in any way, and I think it was provoked
by the US. I somehow assumed the US has a plan to win, but
it doesn't appear so. It is breaking up the EU, and Poland,
Hungary and Slovakia are pushing back on this stupid waste.

The US in this has been criminal. We have a long history of
these wars to answer for. We have lost it, and that is a shame,
for the world, but mostly for all Americans.

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Good thing the US, and fuck ton of other western countries have given away all their weapons in the process.

Wait till we are all drafted to die for Joe Fucking Biden...

Hopefully when I'm drafted, I'll be fast tracked to Sergeant or higher due to my age, health level, and competency congruity.

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Leftists always lie.
Wokeness is Fascism+Hypocrisy.

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If Ukraine loses, Russia and an emboldened China will invade other countries. Prepare to be drafted when the U.S. runs out of military volunteers.

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Only the libs that voted for Biden should be at the front lines of that draft.

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Only the Trumpite cultists who allow Putin to grow stronger by denying Ukraine support should be at the front lines of that draft.

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Its hard not to go back and find realy conflitng storeis.

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