I do not want vague nonsense that explains nothing. i want solid reasons and explanations how trump would have stopped the invasion with specific examples and specific actions trump would take that Biden did not.
shareIt wouldn't have started.
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i asked for specifics, examples and details. of corse you couldn't do that and failed.
shareTrump was the first President to send weapons shipments to Ukraine.
shareBlacksurn also told me the trump made peace with north korea. til i pointed him a link showing NK did the most of their missile tests where they shoot them near Japan during trumps presidency. of hours he went quiet and ran
sharebichy is a horse's rear end.
He gets to galloping and posts scads of these BS posts and takes up the whole front page.
Nothing he says is every true or has any value.
Blacksurn
also told me the trump made peace with north korea
you blind? yes we are talking about you in a thread where he replied to you lol
you dont remember conservatives nonstop praising Trump for his NK policy and stopping hostility?? you literally did so in the comment. thats how i know our stance. til i educated you on how NK actually increased missile launches. look you may have Alzheimer's and forget what you said but i didnt.
Obama and Biden were the first presidents to allow Russia to invade Crimea and Ukraine.
Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
Vladimir Putin doesn’t want me to be President. He doesn’t want me to be our nominee. If you’re wondering why — it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s ever gone toe-to-toe with him.
Biden similarly said in a Twitter video in October 2019 that Putin's "days of tyranny" would be over when he was president.
"I'm going to stand up to him, he's a bully," then-presidential candidate Biden said.
"Putin knows that when I am president of the United States his days of tyranny and trying to intimidate the United States and those in Eastern Europe are over," he continued.
90+% of Crimeans were ethnic Russian and wanted to annex to Russia.
Similar in Donbas and to a lesser degree across all of Eastern Ukraine.
https://countercurrents.org/2022/10/ukraine-proper/
The statehood of Ukraine like Ukrainian ethnolinguistic identity is one of the most problematic research topics. Ukraine herself has, in addition, extremely artificial state borders from very historical and political points of view. Even the name of the country and nation is very unusual and even unnatural as the Slavonic term “Ukraine” means in English “borderland” while “Ukrainians” are simply “people from borderland”. A focal question, therefore, became: How the country with such a name can be independent as the term “borderland” politically simply means the end land (like the German “mark” from the time of the Frankish Kingdom) of some country? Nevertheless, Ukrainian statehood has its own (short) historical background.
The eastern portion of Ukraine is also loyal to Russia. So why are we wasting money on this conflict? It would be easier to give that land back to Russia and create a DMZ and call it a day. Ukraine is not going to get that land back. If they ever do, it will take years and trillions of dollars. Thats not including the billions it will take to rebuild everything. Its ironic that Trump wants peace while Joe wants war. He even said that small incursions are ok. He also knew 2 months ahead of time that Putin was going to invade but did nothing.
I guess I get it, war is good for business. You can send billions to a corrupt Country with no accountability. Remember Iraq and Afghanistan?
Remember when we armed the Taliban for a 10 year war with Russia back in the 80's?
Put down the TDS, the war didn't start until Biden was President and only after he showed the world how bad we fucked up Afgansitan.
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You'd be dead in the water if your "t", "d" or "s" keys broke.
shareHow so? I'd just get a new keyboard, and you'd still have your affliction. 🤣🤣🤣
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Wokeness is Fascism+Hypocrisy.
It's interleaved with his healthcare plan.
shareHe had his chance, and he was the first President to send weapons shipments to Ukraine.
Do I really have to say that Trump is full of cow duty? Don't we all know that by now?
Yet in 2018, with Donald Trump as president, the U.S. reversed course and agreed to provide Ukraine with $47 million worth of lethal weapons, which included 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 37 launchers.
Wow that's a lot of money. Its a good thing Joe hasn't given Ukraine $200b yet.
I don't support either, but Trump was first.
Both Presidents have nothing to say about what the military industrial media complex does any more.
They stopped that with Kennedy.
The military industrial media complex runs everything. War is good for American businesses and the US Govt. Its also an easy way to transfer money to other Countries with no accountability. We used to send pallets of cash to Afghanistan and Iraq. That didnt turn out very well.
shareIMO, offer the recognition of the Crimea and the heavily ethnic russia borderlands in exchange for an end to hostilities.
sharethey already took it and claimed it. they got what they want. russia said they wont stop til they take out all the "nazis" and take all of ukraine.
shareThey said lots. Personally, I don't find what they SAY to be very credible. They have taken huge losses and imo, and in Trumps, they can be talked into ending the war for very little at this point.
sharelol sooooooo no clear answer. another fail from Corbell.
shareErrr, Let me try again for you.
I don't believe their tough talk. I think the losses they have taken will make them open to accepting less than they want if it can end their losses.
Oh, and to be clear, your inability to understand me, that was a standard leftard tactic to avoid admitting that the other side had a good point.
Everyone knows that. YOu aren't fooling anyone.
and yet no sign of negotiation or stopping conflicts. you can say you dont believe X Y and Z> but reality shows otherwise. losing this would be political suicide for Putin. he has every reason to keep going.
its not an inability to understand. you give shit answers and no good point. lol
Errr, YOUR question was how TRUMP would stop the war....
I was answering YOUR QUESTION, as to how TRUMP would stop the war.
BIDEN is a DIFFERENT PERSON than Trump, with a DIFFERENT POLICY than Trump.
Just, my god man, you are like a complete asshole.
no you didnt. as that wouldnt stop the war. damn you are dumb
shareYour retarded stonewalling is noted. You lose, loser.
share"offer the recognition of the Crimea and the heavily ethnic russia borderlands in exchange for an end to hostilities."
i dont need to stonewall your answer was utter shit and made no sense. your non answer was something Russia doesn't care about or want. you just made shit up.
1. they had Crimea completely. they dont care if it was "recognized" or not. They had complete control.
2. https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/150210105820-ukraine-language-map.jpg?q=x_2,y_0,h_898,w_1596,c_crop/h_720,w_1280 heres a map of russian speaking/ethnicity. wheres the borderlands?!?!? its half the fucking country man.
this is what happens when you dont know shit about the situation. you offer something they dont care about (crimea recognition) then propose "well give them the borderlands!" which would be half the country.
You're clearly not tallking in good faith, or even coherently.
My first post specificed "end to hostilities".
Your response was that that would not "end the war".
You are just spewing shit. YOu have talked so much shit, that you are losing your ability to speak.
again you dont know shit.
you are offering 1. something russia doesnt want or need (crimea recognition)and for 2. (the borderlands which is actually 50% of ukraine) something they cant have and Ukraine would never give. to have negotiations both sides need to see it as more beneficial than what they can gain from armed conflict. or else they wouldnt engage in conflict to begin with. so whats beneficial about russia getting something they dont care about? and ukraine rather than chancing fighting, just giving up 50% of their country??? for what?????? they either fight and possibly win or lose, or dont fight an automatically lose 50%???? that is something they would NEVER agree to. what logical state would??
in other words, you are suggesting the impossible and what wouldnt work. offering what russia doesnt want. and what ukraine wont give.
you fail
1. You don't know shit about what the Russians want or would care about. Offering to recognize their conquest of the Crimea is an excellent negotiating offer.
2. Clearly when I said "borderland" I meant half of the nation. That was a reasonable interpretation of yours. Actually, no it wasn't. What you did there revealed you to be a faggot retard assmuncher.
1. they have had crimea awhile now. what exactly does having the other recognize it fix, solve or improve? in what way have they been pushing towards this or what signs are there its important to them??? oh right they havent and dont care. why would they? you dont know wtf you are talking about.
2. i literally gave you a map of ethnic russians in Ukraine, so they will settle for sut afew but leave all the rest? why? goodwill? cause they are nice?
you are so dumb man. you devalue every convo you engage in because you cant think logically.
but nice dodging and showing you dont know why groups negotiate. haha you ran like a bitch from that didnt you?
you gave me nothing, got called out for it, then threw a fit when i exposed your stupidity.
1. It is a diplomatic move. It means that hte rest of the world is accepting that it is their territory. It means that the we and our allies will stop workign to take it back from them. Historically such moves have been important parts of peace treaties.
2. No. That is not my question now. My question is why you felt the need to be such a shit talker and make up shit about my position? Are you just reflexively a faggot, or were you afraid that you were losing?
you dont know how diplomacy works clown. what have "we and our allies done to take it back from them"?? name one thing. you are an idiot.
2 hahah nice dodging. so what borderlands? get specific? if all russia wanted was a borderland why didnt they take a "borderland". another dumbass point.
learn how negotiation works :) i love how you dodged most of my argument like a chicken shit hahah
We've been killing their people by the thousands. And destroying their military capability by large amounts.
Both of which Putin cannot be loving.
again for the 5th times you dont understand how negotiating in war works. it has afew key points
1.you have to offer them something they actually wants
2. You have to offer them something they think they cannot get through war and makes negotiating the better path.
you fail on both accounts
1. you are offering something they dont care about (crimea recognition). no matter how much you CLAIM its a "diplomatic move" doesn't make it so. a diplomatic move is Offering them what they want. show me an indication Crimea recognition has ever been a concern for russia???
2.Putin doesnt care about loses. you arent offering them something they dont already think they cant already get with war. same with the Ukrainians.
what proof do you have??? Putin remains popular. conceding would be weakness. Putin wants a military victory to show they beat the "evil west and Ukrainian nazis". he thinks he can win or else he would already be pushing negotiations. which russia hasnt done in any serious way. Also Putin has shown he cant be trusted when negotiating.
look what happened to Yevgeny Prigozhin. Ukraine would have to be literally insane to negotiate. they have recent proof of what happens when someone makes a deal with Putin.
once again you fail.
1. Traditionally, diplomatic recognition has been important in diplomacy.
2. Putin does care about losses, especially as they reflect poorly on his leadership and reduces his power.
3. This war needs to end by negotiation. Unless you think that regime change is really on the table?
1. traditionally offering something one party doesnt give a fuck about doesn't do shit. again educate yourself. love how like the chicken shit you are you couldnt give evidence russia cares about Crimea recognition.
2. show me this please. as long as he wins its all that matters. he has massive support and continues to mobilize troops.
3. where did i say that retard?
1. How do YOU know that Putin doesn't care about recognition?
2. LOL!!!!! Because he is a rational actor.
3. I didn't say you said that. I said that. And then asked you a question. Are you really this fucked in the head, or are you just playing a role?
1. is there a single piece of evidence he does or has worked for it or cares about it??? go on give it chicken shit.
2. yes and no rational actor has ever lost large amounts of life of their country for other goals? fuck you are dumb.
3.you tried to imply i believed it. who says this has to end how you do with negotiation.
stop pushing your own nonsense feelings and confusing them with facts
1. So, you DON'T know that, you just said it. Got it.
2. That bit, where you had to make up fake shit that had nothing to do with anything I said, and they you argued against that? That was you playing with yourself.
3. Well, if you are opposed to a negotiated ending, then I want to know what you do see as an endgame. I have heard people express hopes for regime change. Hence my question to you. I assume you do not wish for continued war simply for the joy of seeing people die?
1. no no no i asked you and everyone here "How exactly would Trump have stopped Ukraine conflict". you have to show your evidence. so when you claim he wants Crimea recognized. YOU NEED TO PROVE IT YOU IDIOT. i dont need to disprove it. its like if i claimed "all putin needs to negotiate is the us to give him a million dollars.". and when you ask how i know and prove it, i say "you cant prove it woudlnt work!".YOU are making a claim. YOU gave no evidence. PROVE IT. you intelectual child.
2. you said "2. Putin does care about losses, especially as they reflect poorly on his leadership and reduces his power."
my post was " show me this please. as long as he wins its all that matters. he has massive support and continues to mobilize troops."
which you replied "LOL!!!!! Because he is a rational actor.".
to which i replied "yes and no rational actor has ever lost large amounts of life of their country for other goals? fuck you are dumb."
i didnt make up fuck all you idiot. it has exactly to do with what was said. You seem to only measure things in your narrow understanding of them and cant look past it. you think your feelings are facts.
he wouldn't be mobilizing troops if he didnt think he had a rational for winning. he doesn't try and negotiate because he thinks he can win. he doesnt care if he loses large numbers of people, he still thinks he can win and he can accomplish more from war than negotiation. this again is the fundamentals of why war is chosen over negotiation. this is the concept you still dont get because you are a fucking idiot. this is his rationale and makes sense. he can both be fine with losing large amounts AND rational. your proposition only causes problems in a democracy. far less so in a authoritarian dictator where they throw lives away all the time and still stay in power. just ask Stalin, or Mao, or kim jong il.
none of what you said fits that reality at all. what i said does you fucking idiot. you go on nonsense about Crimean recognition that you cant show he wants. then make claims that he will negotiate cause... reasons..
3. its not about being opposed or not. its that you believe thats the only one option.. again TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. you are so fucking desperate here you've now for a second time tried to imply things i never said to try and land something..
you lost here you little chicken shit.
1. I gave you my answer. In return you made a number of statements that indicated that you knew what Putin was thinking. Yet when I asked you how you knew that, it turns out that you could not support your assumption. That is where we are at.
2. More claims from you as though you know what he thinks. Again you just make these assumptions and seem unable to imagine any other possibilities. That's a you problem.
3. Again instead of answering the question you have a hissy fit. WHAT DO YOU WANT?
haha look at you bitching out.
1.no you made the claim that is what they want. now demonstrate it chicken shit.
Yet when I asked you how you knew that, it turns out that you could not support your assumption
1. When negotiating you make offers. You don't need to KNOW that the other person wants it, you base your offer on a guess as to what they might take. For you to even demand proof, was you showing you are ignorant how negotiation works. That you were an ass about it, was just you being an ass.
2. "-hes mobilizing troops because he wants to continue the war and win (that's self evident)"
Your words. Which ignores the FACT that this war has not followed what he wanted, ie a quick easy victory. He is now stuck in a war that has become a meatgrinder, sucking hte life out of his country and his military. The idea that his continuing to fight, means he is not open to ending the conflict is utterly retarded.
3. WHAT DO YOU FUCKING WANT?
1.for the 10th time you retard. when you negotiate you make OFFERS THE PEOPLE WANT. yes you do. you are so fucking stupid this hurts my brain. when you negotiate you do so offering things people want. why the fuck would you offer things they dont want? then they have no motivation to negotiate.
when someone wants to to buy your house do they negotiate and offer you an offer you close to what you want. or do they offer you a stack 6pack of beer and half eaten pepperoni stick?
you actually went full retard with this comment. ive read alot of shit here. but this has to be the top hahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhaha.
also notice how youve completely dodged the burden of proof and fact you still have to offer evidence Russian wants Crimean recognition. chicken shit ran from that quick huh?
2. yes it hasn't followed perfectly? AND? that doesn't change that statement and fact it is true. that he is " mobilizing troops because he wants to continue the war and win (that's self evident)". things dont have to go perfectly, exactly as planned, for one party to still be committed to fighting and winning. show me a war that went perfect to plan. there is none that has to be the dumbest fucking thing ive heard. after your comments in topic #1 of course.
The idea that his continuing to fight, means he is not open to ending the conflict is utterly retarded.
1. I posted what I thought Trump's offer would be. IMO, it would be a strong start for negotation. That you dismiss the value of international recognition is you showoing your historical ignorance.
2. It is not self evident that he wants to continue to fight and to win.
3. Dude. You are a hysterical bitch. Now, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
1.
I posted what I thought Trump's offer would be.
IMO, it would be a strong start for negotation.
That you dismiss the value of international recognition is you showing your historical ignorance.
It is not self evident that he wants to continue to fight and to win.
1. You asked, i gave my answer. That you want evidence of a future possible event, is you being a shit talker.
2. There is another obvious possible explanation that would fit that.
3. I wasn't going to play along with your fag games.
hahah your comments are getting smaller and smaller as you realize you have nothing
1. again COOL STORY BRO. yes i want evidence! how crazy of me! if you claim crimean recognition is important to russia, fucking demonstrate it. im not asking you to demonstrate a future event. it would have to be important to russia NOW to be a good strong bargaining chip like you claim. for real man are you retarded?? Is this the first time someone asked you to demonstrate a claim?
2. is that why i have all the facts on my side? ill repost it since your retardation is strong
"it is self evident, as he is LITERALLY doing it, continues to do it, shows no sign of stopping, scaling it down and shows no sign of trying to negotiate or stop it. literally every single piece of evidence is that he wants to continue fighting.
3. thats what i thought you little bitch. you know you got utterly embarassed here. youve been all over the place this entire exchange trying to land something. claiming i was off topic then forgetting that. claiming i was making up fake shit then running away from that.
you are a dumb bitch
1. That is retarded of you.
2. It is not self evident. THere is another equally possible explanation. YOu are a retard.
3. Blah, blah, blah. WHAT DO YOU WANT?
thats what i thought chicken shit. you have nothing
shareLOL.
If you really believed that, you would have challenged me as to the alternate explanation.
You are a coward.
you little ball less chickenshit hahaha.
after all that i got one down to one sentence "nah uhhs!!"
you went out like the bitch you are. remember when you tried to act like me asking for evidnece cares about crimean recognition was some "impossible task you are trying to get me to prove the future!""
hahah bitch
Dude. You are just a troll boi.
I support Trump and his policy of trying to end the war though negotiation.
I don't know what you want, becasue you have just been spouting fag bullshit.
you got destroyed on the facts and now acting like i was trolling.
you went out like a bitch and you know you did hahahaha.
remmeber when said i was off topic, then like a bitch never brought it up when i showed i wasnt.
remember when you tried to act like me asking for evidence Russia cares about crimean recognition was some "impossible task you are trying to get me to prove the future!"
hahahah dumb bitch
Yes, I do remember that. You were such a fag.
shareMan good job on knocking this clown out. Corbell is an arrogant entitled person.
shareClass leftard move, pretending to be too stupid to understand a simple point.
Cowardly. And common.
Loser.
i clearly understood. your points were dumb as fuck and i demonstrated why
shareNo, you showed that you are most interested in playing silly games than saying anything real.
You are a child. Or a soulless sociopath. Maybe both.
silly games? by exactly addressing what you said an asking for evidence of those claims???
hahha im sure to a retard like you having to support your assertions is a "silly game'. but for more intelligent thinking people its the norm.
you got unmanned here bitch
You pretended to be stupid, so that you could "misunderstand" my point and then make a zinger.
That is a silly game. As I explained already. Indeed, you asking that question was you playing retarded again.
You talk real tough online. I bet in person you are much more polite.
i dont pretend to be anything im actually mdoerately intelligent, its why i ask for evidence of claims. you know why? so i dont just believe anything and everything like a retard like you.
i didnt misunderstand your point. please explain in detail how i misunderstood it? you cant. i understood it perfectly, it was frankly dumb as hell. and i demonstrated why. give me evidence putin cares about Crimean recognition? go on bitch do it? you are just using that as a cop out like the bitch you are.
hahahahah you actually feel threatened. hahaha i knew you were a bitch.
Dude. You pretended to be stupid so that you could try a zinger.
You are a child or a troll boi.
did you support the allies fight in ww2?
shareBefore my time. Hard to think about it, without considering hindsight.
I am not a pacifist. I certainly supported aggressive policy against the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
But this situation is different. Time for PEACE.
ahhHh little bitch bitching out. if you cant even answer about ww2 you are either a fucking idiot of a ball less eunuch
yes the time for peace is when an aggressive enemy of the US invades a smaller abeit imperfect democratic ally.......
you are sackless
You are just talking shit now. You are asking me if I SUPPORTED a policy of war, in WWII, which was long before I was born.
Are you fucking retarded? Rhetorical question. You are just a shit talker, I know.
LOLL its almost like we all studied history. and ww2 is one of the most well documented and clear cut conflicts ever
"you are fucking stupid if you cant take sides on that. but we both know why you wont. youd then have to be consitent with your stance on the aggressive russia.
Wow. That has to be one of the most retarded arguments I have ever heard.
My position is not one of blanket anti-war. I could easily be for our involvement in WWII, while being against our involvement in the Ukraine War.
I don't want to state what I would have done then, becuase my hindsight knowledge of the FREAKING HOLOCAUST, would make it hard to be objective as to my conclusion based on the information available in 1939 or 1940.
To be consistent and not a joke, youd have to take the same position for the same or similar circumstances. thats just logic 101. so of course to you its a "retarded argument"
its not about being blanket anti or pro war, its about similar circumstance normally means a consistent position from a logical person.
while not a perfect comparison (none ever are) id never say the Russians are as bad as Nazis obv, but when an aggressive dictatorship invades democratic allies, to be consistent youd have to have the same position. knowing about the Holocaust plays no role in this comparison.
the fact you missed this, shows you might legitimately be retarded. im not even joking. you are dumb as fuck.
no wonder you ran away from claiming Russia wants Crimea recognized. haha the little bitch has no evidence.
Dude. The situations are very different, you are a moron.
sharehahah thats all you got? i can tell when you know you lost. your answers become shorter and shorter. leave chicken shit. you got embarrassed
shareThe basis for your entire post was your first sentence, ie that I have to take the same position on both WWII and The Ukrainian War, because htey are both the same.
That is utterly retarded. The differences are nearly infinite. I could write books, whole libararies about the differences.
How about YOU support your absurdly retarded claim that they are THE SAME, to the point that a person would have to have the same policy in both instances, ie PRO-WAR.
yes which is why what i asked was what would trump have done.
i wanted a realisitc offering. instead you give me something you cant demonstrate what Russia even wants.
there are many differences and many similarities. i never claimed they are the same. please give my my quote you little chicken shit where i said that.
but nice try Corbell you got embarrassed here.
Whatever dude.
I gave you my answer. YOu didn't like it.
Trump is talking about negotiating to end the war. IMO, the obvious things we can give PUtin, indeed, about ALL we can give him, to get him to agree to peace, is recognition of the Crimea and the heaviliy russian ethnic areas, and an end to hostilities.
I think that is a pretty good policy. I am not happy seeing all those Ukrainians dying.
Historical lesson, people don't normally start shit when Republicans are in office.
Remember Braveheart, when Longshanks was worried about what will happen when his queer son is king? It's like that right now, the queers are in charge and no one is afraid.
which again is not specific at all, which no clear examples, reasons or explainations. you also said "normally", which means they actually have. so your point is moot.
North Korea for instance launched its largest amount of test missiles near Japan DURING trumps presidency.
HHAHAHAAHAHA "biden is like the gays so trump would ahve stopped the ukraine war"
thats the best you got?
He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
shareForce negotiation
Form more of a global coalition
Chernobyl and much of the surrounding land was originally Russian built, might have to give them something back.
Democrats don't want to stop any war, as they are using ukarine to launder billions of dollars, lining their pockets for generations.
Same cooked place the Bidens have worked before...