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Kansas City teen knocked on wrong door 10pm before being shot by homeowner.

posted 2 years ago by joej2923 (3021)
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Should the homeowner be charged with a crime or was it a justified shooting? It's obviously a tragedy but knocking on somebody's door at 10pm is risky. I'm not aware of a recording of the interaction so I would consider the homeowner innocent until proven guilty. He had to knock on three or four doors before getting help at that hour. I could understand the owner flipping out if the teen was knocking loudly and screaming. Missouri does have a stand your ground law so that might provide protection from prosecution.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11981377/Viola-Davis-supports-family-black-teenager-16-shot-white-homeowner.html

[–] xanthas (3215) 2 years ago

Gun owners are destroying this country.

[–] Bubbathegut (18049) 2 years ago

Agreed, democrats shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

[–] elcamino (15540) 2 years ago

Most would say keeping it free.

[–] Information-Police (4889) a year ago

Free from what, exactly?

[–] elcamino (15540) a year ago

Democrats

[–] Information-Police (4889) a year ago

Stupid answer

[–] joej2923 (3021) 2 years ago

I would argue that extremists/ideologues who cannot compromise are destroying the country. Guns are important for self-defense. KC has a lot of home invasions and a baseball bat may not provide sufficient protection. The mobs have been breaking into stores but they may eventually decide to break into houses.

https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/woman-accused-of-helping-fiance-in-robbery-that-ended-with-2-shot-in-south-kansas-city

https://www.jacksoncountyprosecutor.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=643

https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/2-critically-injured-after-gunfire-exchange-during-robbery-at-south-kansas-city-home

[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 2 years ago

No, white people like you are destroying this country.

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[–] WandererFromYs (2308) 2 years ago

I’m skeptical of any article that race baits in the title.

But just going the linked article without any other research, it sounds like the kid was picking up his younger siblings, he went to the wrong house, and the owner shot him through the door. If this is all the info there is, and the owner just shot them without a verbal exchange, or a break in attempt, then yes they should be charged.

[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 2 years ago

Correct. No details have been released. This could be a Travon Martin situation. Best to wait for the facts.

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Any altercation between a black and white person the media will inject race into what happened as long as the white person can be seen as the aggressor. The media is all over this now. American, British, Canadian etc. I see plenty of violent black on white attacks on a daily basis. If I injected race into the incident, I'd be called a racist and evidence of a racial motive demanded. Does the media not know the race crime stats? Just saw a black on white violent attack.

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1648034761594531851?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

[–] Information-Police (4889) a year ago

"I see plenty of violent black on white attacks on a daily basis."

And how often do you hear of a Black person shooting a white person in child blood and being sent home after talking to police for just 2 hrs without being arrested?

[–] [deleted] a year ago

Don't know. I'm talking about the narrative out there of all these terrible white people harassing or hunting down blacks which is not true. The opposite is happening if you go by crime stats.

[–] InquiringMind (2272) 2 years ago

I used to work as a process server. I would serve papers to people and sometimes show up at their house at 10:00p.
I usually tried to avoid serving anyone after 9:00p but sometimes it was a long drive and I would have to serve them at ~10:00p.

Once I was serving this guy and I showed up at his house around 8:00p. He wasn't home but his wife was. I knocked but nobody came to the door, even though the lights were on. In these cases, usually people are home but they might be in the back and not hear the knocking. So I went around back and Knocked on the back door, but still nothing. I assumed that the person maybe stepped out for a moment so I left and decided to come back in a half an hour.
When I came back and knocked on the door, a guy opened and came out with a gun pointing it at me. The funny thing was he was scared shitless. He was literally shaking. The strange thing was that I was extremely calm, the most calm I've ever been in my life. It literally didn't even phase me. I just did what I usually do: I smiled and in a calm voice, I told him I have a legal paper for him and he has to show up in court on this date. I just looked at him in a way like I was telling him relax bro, it's ok, you're safe. Then he lowered his gun, started apologizing, and said that his wife was alone and somebody was trying to break in earlier. I told him it was just me serving a paper. I told him that I knocked but no one answered so I came back later. He said: I almost shot you, I'm sorry. I told him: Don't worry about it, it's all good.

When I got back in the car, I immediately called my friend and told him what happened. We then laughed about it and laughed at the guy for being a pussy. Good times.

[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 2 years ago

being a pussy

And had you been a legitimate threat to him and his wife's lives?

Would he still be a pussy?

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[–] InquiringMind (2272) 2 years ago

The fact that he and his wife thought that someone knocking on the door is a threat demonstrates that he is a massive pussy and both him and his wife are probably mentally unstable. He was such a mess that if I wanted to, I could have snatched the gun right out of his hand and pistol whipped his dumb ass.
Since I had this unusual calm about me, I could read him like a book. I could get him to do what I want simply by talking to him calmly. I had complete control over the situation. When someone isn't thinking clearly you could take over the executive function of their brain. If you are mindful of what you say and how you say it, you can control their thinking and emotional state. All you need is to be very calm and very aware of your situation. Also having some knowledge of human psychology and the ability to read people is very useful.

[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 2 years ago

The fact that he and his wife thought that someone knocking on the door is a threat demonstrates that he is a massive pussy

You have no idea what may have transpired before you arrived. Perhaps he had been having problems with harassing neighbors or punks kids, you never know. There was reason he was terrified. You just happened to catch him during whatever was going on.

I'm not downplaying what happened, but to just dismiss this dude as a pussy for being terrified and defending his family is kinda messed up. But that's cool. Hopefully you're never on the other side of a situation that's actually a threat to you.

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[–] InquiringMind (2272) 2 years ago

Actually you made a really good point here. You are right, I did not consider that he may have been reacting to something bigger than just me. Perhaps there were robberies in the area and he was concerned that there might be a break in. It was wrong of me to assume.

Keep in mind, that I was relatively young too (in me early 20's), so I was looking at this situation from a point of view of young, very confident, kind of arrogant perspective. Also, I'm sure you know how it is when you talk shit with your friends. When you're with your friends and you are all young and male, anyone who shows weakness under pressure is a pussy. As an adult, with some perspective, I don't think this way anymore, but when I tell the story, I still tell it from the point of view of that 23 year old kid, who thought he was a bad ass, and sometimes that was even true.

[–] Gd5150 (11747) 2 years ago

So there are no details aside from skin color. Well then it’s easy to figure out. The reality will be the exact opposite of what the Democrat media is trying to imply happened, as usual.

[–] joej2923 (3021) 2 years ago

It looks like the shooter is an 84-year-old man and he claims that the teen was trying to open the door. The old guy thought the teen was trying to break in so he shot him. I do believe he would be protected under the castle doctrine. I tried pasting the castle doctrine legalese below for you and others to see. It's a tragic situation but parents are supposed to have their children home at 10pm and people shouldn't knock on a stranger's door at 10pm.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/kansas-city-police-probe-of-teens-shooting-moving-quickly/

Lester told police that he lives alone and had just gone to bed when he heard his doorbell, according to the probable cause statement. He said he picked up his gun and went to the door, where he saw a Black male pulling on the exterior storm door handle and thought someone was breaking in.

https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=563.031 * Legalese *

563.031. Use of force in defense of persons. — 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

2. A person shall not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:

(2) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person; or

3. A person does not have a duty to retreat:

(1) From a dwelling, residence, or vehicle where the person is not unlawfully entering or unlawfully remaining;

(2) From private property that is owned or leased by such individual; or

[–] Information-Police (4889) a year ago

Well, what have you figured out?

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

If he did shoot just because he saw a black person at his door he should be charged. At the moment it's just race baiting and race is the only reason this is getting global coverage and why the mob is out.

https://twitter.com/KCDefender/status/1647707816113627142

[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 2 years ago

Joe Biden: "Shoot through the Door!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj1GaX_-E-E

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[–] elcamino (15540) 2 years ago

NAACP says it is dangerous to be ignorant in the US. Most aren't lucky to be able to get a second chance.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/naacp-pres-on-shooting-of-ralph-yarl-it-is-dangerous-to-be-black-in-america/vi-AA1a10c9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5b2530c8e2b4c249a97b3e4075ec6e1&ei=14

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 2 years ago

Knock and the door will open. - Jordan Peterson