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The Sims adds trans-inclusive characters to the game


The Sims is introducing trans-inclusive characters who have top surgery scars and chest binders

https://www.unilad.com/technology/the-sims-is-introducing-transinclusive-characters-005519-20230201

The Sims has announced they have added transgender options for gender customization in the game.

The beloved video game released a bunch of free updates to ensure any player around the world would be able to make a sim based on real-world people.

A statement posted on their Instagram page said: "A base game update is here with new content including medical wearables, binders, shapewear, a light switch & more including bug fixes & console gameplay improvements."

The chest binders can be found in the Tops category of the Tanks section, where you can select a Binder top asset for your Teen and older Sims. There's also a new shapewear asset for your Sims in the underwear category.

You'll also be able to give your Sim top scars, which happen when trans men have had a double mastectomy as part of their transition process.

Medical wearables relates to things like hearing aids and glucose monitors, which come in an array of colours.

The news has been welcomed and celebrated on social media.

One person rejoiced: “TERFs losing it in the replies. Cope harder you absolute losers.”

Another said: “THIS IS HUGE.”

While a third person commented: “Wait I love this. I’ve had mods for these things for years but it's so nice that they are putting this in the base game especially with the state of things right now.”

This new update might come as a surprise to some, especially following Electronic Arts, the game’s publisher, refusing to comment on transgender rights in 2021.

Kotaku reported that Mala Singh, the company’s Chief People Officer, told employees during a town hall in May that Electronic Arts would only publicly condemn anti-trans bills if they thought it would ‘actually have a positive impact’.

She reportedly said that a statement garnered by the company would have been a ‘consistent perspective’ from all of its 13,000 employees.

Singh continued: “These things are hard and they’re personal and we all have our own perspectives and sometimes we won’t speak, and that will be upsetting and I understand that, we really do.”

However, following Singh’s statements, several employees took matters into their own hands, including the Apex Legends developer Respawn Entertainment staff.

Respawn Entertainment head Vince Zampella tweeted: “Trans rights are human rights. It is as simple as that. Respawn has grown on the principles of diversity, equality, and inclusion and strives to uphold those values. Let's be better humans.”

Following the backlash, Singh doubled down on her previous statements after having many conversations ‘with members of the LGBTQI+' community.

She issued a statement that read in part: “In my comments last week, I never intended to imply that we were stepping back from our long-standing support of LGBTQ+ rights, but I understand that’s how it landed for members of this community.

“I am grateful for the openness and courage to engage, and I am also hopeful that we can keep our conversations productive and healthy. They make us better.”...


They will never stop coming for your kids.

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I never heard of the game. But I am not gay, and those characters look ugly already.

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Good more inclusitivity is a good thing

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Depends what's being included...a bunch of freaks with sex changing operation scars in a video game that children play....yeesh.

Up your standards.

They can include child molesters and suicide bombers and there are people who use that under the banner that inclusivity is good.

It's a sham, you aee right through you people and one day hopefully your werid agenda will be exposed

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When are they gonna add the pedo option? Like an option to flash the public or chase little children in a playful game of hide and seek. Needs more inclusitivity.

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Sick fuck

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I've been a Sims player and modder, since 2000. The Sims 4 ALREADY had a massive "trans-inclusive" update in 2016. How much more "inclusive" can you get than allowing sims to be gendered anything, including gender neutral bathrooms, allowing female sims to have beards and assigning male sims to pee sitting down? What more do you people want?

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"What more do you people want?"

you and everyone on this Post to Drop there Bigoted Views and get with the Times

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^^ This

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Putin's invasion of the Ukraine is part of the Times too. Should everyone just accept that?

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Inequalty leads to war get with the times and that is apples to Oranges comparison

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Diversity and Inclusion are overrated.
We need more homogeneity and exclusion.
Wokies are the lowest form of life... Lower than pond scum.

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You want more bigotry and discrimination.

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If it means less diversity, inclusion, and representation in the media, then yes.

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Why?

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Because forced diversity in the name of inclusion and representation has ruined TV shows and movies. For example, by shoehorning minorities into parts that are clearly not right for them, like having a black woman be the leader of the Vikings in the show Vikings: Valhalla, or having a Valyrian — a race of people who are pale white, with white hair and purple eyes — being played by a black man in the House of Dragon, all of which is done in order to check a diversity box to satisfy the insane demands of a bunch of unhinged Wokies. These are just some examples of the absurdity you get as a result of forced diversity. And this has made watching TV shows/movies less enjoyable for me.
I have loved TV shows and film all my life, and to see something that I love so much be bastardized in the service of some agenda pisses me off. My natural instinct is to resist it. And so if the woke cult wants to force-feed me diversity and inclusion, I will crave more homogeneity and exclusion. If that ends up making me a bigot, then so be it. I'll wear it like a badge of honor.

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"Vikings were never the pure-bred master race white supremacists like to portray
The mobility of Vikings led to a fusion of cultures within their ranks and their trade routes would extend from Canada to Afghanistan. A striking feature of the early Vikings’ success was their ability to embrace and adapt from a wide range of cultures, whether that be the Christian Irish in the west or the Muslims of the Abbasid Caliphate in the east.

Viking crews would frequently lose members and pick up new recruits as they traveled, combining dissident elements from different backgrounds and cultures.

The cultural and ethnic diversity of the Viking Age is highlighted by finds in furnished graves and silver hoards from the ninth and tenth centuries. In Britain and Ireland only a small percentage of goods handled by Vikings are Scandinavian in origin or style.

An analysis of skeletons at sites linked to Vikings using the latest scientific techniques points to a mix of Scandinavian and non-Scandinavian peoples without clear ethnic distinctions in rank or gender.

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https://theconversation.com/vikings-were-never-the-pure-bred-master-race-white-supremacists-like-to-portray-84455

"‘Viking' was a job description, not a matter of heredity, massive ancient DNA study shows.
Viking Age Scandinavians were more likely to have black hair than people living there today. And several individuals in Norway were buried as Vikings, but their genes identified them as Saami, an Indigenous group genetically closer to East Asians and Siberians than to Europeans."
https://www.science.org/content/article/viking-was-job-description-not-matter-heredity-massive-ancient-dna-study-shows

House of Dragon is fiction. Anyone can play a made-up character.

You're like Archie Bunker who can't deal with the present.

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House of Dragon is fiction. Anyone can play a made-up character.

This is one of the stupidest arguments I often hear people make.
Just because a story is fictional doesn't mean that it doesn't have an internal logic.
You wouldn't have Data, an android with a positronic brain, be a character in House of the Dragon at the head of House Targaryen. Why? Because it would violate the rules that have been established in the fictional story. Likewise if you have a race of people with pale white skin and platinum hair, who inbreed specifically to preserve those characteristics, you don't put a colored person as a member of their race. Why? Because it's absurd and beyond stupid. It violates the internal logic of the story. The only reason why anyone would do something that absurd is if they are a bat-shit crazy Wokester who values diversity, inclusion, and representation above telling a coherent story.

And as for the Vikings, it doesn't matter if they interacted with people of different races. The point is that it was a TV show primarily about Scandinavian people i.e. white people. And it wasn't a problem. Then the Wokies came in and decided that having a show about white people was incompatible with their deranged ideology, so they imposed their views on the TV show, and you end up with a colored woman leading the Vikings in Kettagat. I have no tolerance for such absurdity and I want it purged from the entertainment industry.

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LOL! Vikings weren't Scandinavian. Nor were they blond. Nor were they white. You're crying because a show isn't based on your ignorant stereotype.

House Targaryen? Nope! He's in the House Velaryon.

The above nonsense is what you spend hours worrying about? Your parents must be embarrassed by you!

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I wasn't talking about Vikings historically in the real world, I was talking about the way they were portrayed in the original show Vikings, where everyone was white. This wasn't a problem in 2015, but it is a problem in 2022. Why? Because the woke cult took over Hollywood, and the Wokerati have contempt for white people, the result being that you no longer can have a show that is primarily white. This is forced diversity, and it is a plague in the entertainment industry. And as long as these degenerates continue to ruin the entertainment industry, I'll be here calling it out and complaining about it.

House Targaryen? Nope! He's in the House Velaryon.

Hey dummy, I gave House Targaryen as an absurd example. I wasn't implying that House Velaryon is House Targaryen.
Think McFly, Think!
This should have been obvious to anyone with a working brain. It appears like your reading comprehension skills are subpar.

Your parents must be embarrassed by you!

Embarrassed?
Sounds like a whole lot of projection. Perhaps you should look in the mirror and reflect on your life choices. See if you can spot where your thinking went wrong.

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Vikings weren't all white. Most weren't blond. The original show was stupid.

"I gave House Targaryen as an absurd example."
Yes, you are absurd!

"you no longer can have a show that is primarily white."
Boohoo, Archie Bunker! You're so obsessed with melanin.

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Vikings weren't all white. Most weren't blond. The original show was stupid.

But most, nearly all, were white.

Boohoo, Archie Bunker! You're so obsessed with melanin.

I'm obsessed with the fact that demented woke fаggоtѕ are ruining TV shows and movies by imposing their forced diversity on the entertainment industry.

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Viking is a job description - not race. Like pirate.
Vikings were diversified as is the TV show. Stop your whining!

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I gave you House of the Dragon and Vikings: Valhalla as an absurd example of forced diversity, instead of addressing my main point, you decided to quibble about the extent of diversity in the Viking culture. Never mind that the original Vikings was all white and the new one isn't because of said forced diversity, but OK, Fine. Then I withdraw Vikings as an example of forced diversity. Instead, I submit to you:

Anne Boleyn
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13406036/

In this woke abomination, mentally deranged Wokies decided to cast a black woman as Anne Boleyn, the second wife of Henry VIII and the Queen of England. An historical figure who was white, of course.
Are you going to agree that this is absurd, and that only a woke degenerate with an agenda would ever dream of casting a black woman as Anne Boleyn? Or are you going to continue to be disingenuous?

Mind you, if you are OK with a black woman playing Anne Boleyn, a white historical figure, then I'm sure you'll also be OK with Tom Cruise playing Martin Luther King Jr. in the next MLK biography, right? What am I saying of course you would be, you don't hate white people do you?
Do you hate white people?

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WHAT A GIGANTIC DICKBAG.🙄

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Can you elaborate?
Do you think casting a black woman as Anne Boleyn is beyond absurd and that only a woke degenerate with an agenda would ever dream of doing something that stupid?

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I THINK YOU ARE THE ABSURD DEGENERATE.😘

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That's cool, but do you think casting a black woman as Anne Boleyn is beyond absurd and that only a woke degenerate with an agenda would ever dream of doing something that stupid?

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It's called acting, dummy. If you have a problem with make-believe, then don't watch TV.

White actors have been portraying nonwhites since day one and you haven't complained about that.

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Cool. So you'll be fine with Tom Cruise playing Martin Luther King Jr. in the next MLK biography, Right? It's called acting.

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What else is new? White actors have been portraying nonwhites since day one and you haven't complained about it:

"How Hollywood Cast White Actors in Caricatured Asian Roles"
https://www.history.com/news/yellowface-whitewashing-in-film-america

"When white actors play other races"
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20151006-when-white-actors-play-other-races

"25 Minority Characters That Hollywood Whitewashed"
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/04/25-minority-characters-that-hollywood-whitewashed

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But would YOU be OK with Tom Cruise playing Martin Luther King Jr. — an historical figure — or do you admit that this would be absurd and beyond stupid?

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What else is new? White actors have been portraying nonwhites since day one and you haven't complained about it:

"How Hollywood Cast White Actors in Caricatured Asian Roles"
https://www.history.com/news/yellowface-whitewashing-in-film-america

"When white actors play other races"
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20151006-when-white-actors-play-other-races

"25 Minority Characters That Hollywood Whitewashed"
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/04/25-minority-characters-that-hollywood-whitewashed

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All you did was point out that it happens. I know it happens. I'm saying that when it happens, it is absurd, beyond stupid, and that it shouldn't happen. What I'm asking you is if you agree. So do you?

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He repeated the same question, therefore I'll repeat the same answer, Lil' Sockette.

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But you didn't answer the question I was asking, did you?

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What else is new? White actors have been portraying nonwhites since day one and you haven't complained about it:

"How Hollywood Cast White Actors in Caricatured Asian Roles"
https://www.history.com/news/yellowface-whitewashing-in-film-america

"When white actors play other races"
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20151006-when-white-actors-play-other-races

"25 Minority Characters That Hollywood Whitewashed"
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/04/25-minority-characters-that-hollywood-whitewashed

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Let the record show that you answered a question that I didn't ask.

What else is new? White actors have been portraying nonwhites since day one


And are you OK with that?

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You just don't like my answer.

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That is correct. I don't like your answer, because I'm asking you if you are OK with white people playing roles that were not meant for them, and your answer is: I like turtles!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

And so that leads me to conclude that you're either profoundly retarded, and you don't understand the question like the unfortunate youngster in the above video, or you do understand the question and you're intentionally avoiding it because you know that if you answer it honestly it would prove my point, and your ego can't handle that.

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White people have not only always played POC roles, but also lied by saying the characters were always white.

I find it offensive that you refuse to acknowledge this.

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I acknowledge this.
Do you acknowledge that black people playing roles that were meant for white people is also offensive?

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You don't acknowledge anything because you've been complaining about one black Viking when there were clearly Black Vikings. You are a hypocrite and liar.

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Yes I have a problem with a black woman playing a character that is supposed to be a white male.
Jarl Haakon Sigurdsson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haakon_Sigurdsson

Nothing I've said makes me a hypocrite nor a liar.

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Nonsense! The Viking show should have POC females. White males = forced diversity.

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Nope. That's a swing and a miss.
Try again.

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She realized that if she answers the question, it will prove that I'm right. Her ego can't take that.

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You're always arguing with anyone who makes a valid point or shares common sense opinions like adults shouldn't touch kids. You're all over MC spewing hate toward good wholesome people just trying to chat about movies. Your heart is so black and evil like the devil worshiping Pfizer sponsored Grammys last night.

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FALSE...I SPEW ON ASSHOLES HAVING CREEPY LITTLE CIRCLE JERKS...IF YOU DISLIKE ME...THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.😘

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Have you considered the possibility that maybe the reason people don't like you is because you're the asshole? On the other hand, maybe people just don't like you because you write in all caps. Many consider it a form of retardation.

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FUNNY THING..PLENTY OF FOLKS LIKE ME...THE "NORMALS"... WHO AREN'T FILLED WITH HATE AND JUVENILE RAGE.

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Do you think writing in all caps makes you "normal"?

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NO...I AM DECIDEDLY NOT NORMAL.

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Correct. Normal is the last thing I would call you.

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WE AGREE.

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When it's like a hundred people vs one guy it's usually the one guy that is the asshole. Yeah yeah a few people from the GD boards can tolerate you but even Becker had friends.

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So do you have an answer to my question or did you take Archie Bunker's advice and stifle yourself?

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Oh and Archie Bunker was based.
Now stifle yourself you meathead.

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From Wikipedia:
Vikings is the modern name given to seafaring people originally from Scandinavia (present-day Denmark, Norway and Sweden)

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LOL! Your confirmation bias from anonymous sources doesn't outweigh scientists, historians and nonwhite Viking skeletons.

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The primary sources are listed right there in the article. Think before you speak.

Population genomics of the Viking world
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2688-8

The vikings
by Mawer, A. (Allen), 1879-1942
https://archive.org/details/vikings00mawe

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Your first link repeats what the scientists said about Vikings, aka pirates, being diverse. Your second link to a 1913 book is outdated.

"The Galloway hoard, discovered in south-west Scotland in 2014, includes components from Scandinavia, Britain, Ireland, Continental Europe and Turkey. Cultural eclecticism is a feature of Viking finds. An analysis of skeletons at sites linked to Vikings using the latest scientific techniques points to a mix of Scandinavian and non-Scandinavian peoples without clear ethnic distinctions in rank or gender."

Are you crying because the truth hurts?

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The first link says that there were hot spots of diversity. That doesn't mean that there wasn't an ethnicity called Scandinavians that looked like the typical Scandinavian. And the diversity they are talking about, for the most part, refers to people like the Irish and Scottish. It does not refer to Africans or Indians.

The way you are making it sound is like there was no group of people that were for the most part your stereotypical Scandinavian, and were instead a multi racial, multi cultural society. That is not true. Just because there was some diversity and interaction with other cultures doesn't mean that it wasn't, for the most part, a homogeneous culture.

This is obvious if you went to Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark) today. Go look at how the majority of the population looks like. Clearly there are countries that are racially homogeneous. And the Nordic countries are such countries. Another example I can give you from personal experience, is a country like Poland. Based on your logic, just because you can point to a few examples of black people in Poland, it therefore must be a multi-cultural and multi racial country. Well, it's not. Are there black people in Poland? Yes, they do exist. I've seen YouTube videos of them. But as someone who lived in Poland for six years, I can tell you that I haven't encountered a single one. Ever. Poland is 99.99% made up of people who are the same ethnicity and race. And based on a few days I've spent in Denmark, the same appears to be true there.

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You got to let it go, dude! The Vikings weren't blond-haired whites. Stick to the science. Not your white supremacist ideology.

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Are Scandinavians black?

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Vikings weren't Scandinavians. They were pirates made up of different ethnic groups from Europe and Asia.

BTW, most Scandinavians had dark hair in that era.

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Did Vikings originate from Scandinavia?

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Yes, there were black Vikings.

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Do you think a black Viking is an accurate portrayal of a typical Viking? If not, then why are we including them in shows about Vikings, other than to check a diversity box?

If you were making a show/movie about the typical Polish family, you wouldn't put a black person as one the actors — even though there are black people who live in Poland — unless you are a deranged woke degenerate pushing an agenda.

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You said your show had one black Viking. You're either a snowflake or a manbaby crying over pure silliness. Either way, you need to grow up.

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The point is that even if you are right — that the Vikings were historically more diverse, and perhaps there were even black Vikings — you know that this is not the reason they put a black woman as a leader of the Vikings at Kattegat in Vikings: Valhalla. That black Viking was only there to check a diversity box and appease the woke cult.
Forcing diversity onto the entertainment industry is ruining TV shows and movies, and as long as they continue to do it, I'll continue to complain about it.

It doesn't make me a snowflake nor a child to be disgusted by disgusting shit, and to criticize the people who produce said shit.

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You mean the white Vikings were there to check a box and appease an entitled group of manbabies.

Forcing racism onto the entertainment industry has ruined careers of POC for generations, and as long as they continue to do it, I'll continue to complain about it.

Nah! It makes you a racist.

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White Vikings are the norm. Black Vikings are the anomaly.
Less diversity! More homogeneity! Less inclusion! More exclusion!

Minorities are not entitled to be represented in everything.

It makes you a racist.

You say that like I'm supposed to give a fuck.

If not wanting forced diversity makes me racist, then so be it, I'll wear it like a badge of honor.

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"Minorities are not entitled to be represented in everything."

Whites are the minority on the planet. Are you saying that all the Vikings should be POC?

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You are conflating and equivocating a couple things there, so let's break this down.
Whites are not entitled to be represented in Bollywood for example, or in China. The majority of Indian films should be about Indians with Indian actors representing them. Same goes for China. I don't think the Chinese (nor the Indians) would appreciate if their media, all of the sudden, started shoehorning gwáilóu (white devils) into all of their TV shows/Movies. Likewise, Polish, Danish, Irish, Scottish, German, Swedish and such TV and film should be, for the most part, white.
In the US — a multi-racial society — it should be roughly based on the percentage of the population, and who is the dominant culture. In this situation, you would expect most TV/film to be primarily white, some black, and some mixed to varying degrees. This is what it was like pre 2015, and everything was good. Everyone was happy.
But then around 2015, the Wokies infected Hollywood, and they decided that it was not OK for there to be any shows/movies that did not have minority representation. And so they began shoehorning them into everything whether it made sense or not. Thus, forced diversity was born.

Now for the Vikings; Since the Vikings were primarily white, shows/movies about Vikings should be primarily white. Whether the show is in the US, India, China or anywhere.
The logic goes: It's a show about Vikings. Vikings were white. Therefore the actors playing them should be white.

This should be obvious. And it is... to any reasonable person with a brain. But your brain is infected with woke ideology, and woke ideology is incompatible with reality and logic, thus, when you are confronted with an argument that pokes holes in your ideology, your brain short-circuits and you have cognitive dissonance. So you keep arguing despite digging yourself deeper into a hole.

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No, Vikings were NOT white according to scientists who study Vikings.

So, you're saying there should be more POC in Vikings since POC are 42.2% of the American population. I agree!

Both Indian and Chinese movies/TV are notorious for discrimination, dude. Very bad examples on your part.

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Show me evidence that shows that the Vikings were primarily black, or even just non-white.

So, you're saying there should be more POC in Vikings since POC are 42.2% of the American population.

No, I literally said that the Vikings should be white no matter what part of the world the TV series was being produced, implying that even if the world was 99% black, a show about Vikings should still be white because the Vikings were 99% white.

Also the example you gave is precisely what I'm against. When I talked about percentages, what I'm talking about is that 42.2% of shows/movies should more or less conform to that percentage NOT that each individual show/movie should be 42.2% POC. This is precisely my problem with forced diversity; Before forced diversity, you had shows with white casts, black casts, and mixed casts. After forced diversity was introduced you can no longer have a white cast, only mixed casts. That is what I don't want. It's about choice. I want 3 choices instead of 1.
One other point about the percentages, I also said that it depends on the dominant culture. If white is the dominant culture, then media should reflect that.
Both Indian and Chinese movies/TV are notorious for discrimination, dude. Very bad examples on your part.

Good. If that means the end of forced diversity then I want more of that.

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"In the US — a multi-racial society — it should be roughly based on the percentage of the population"

42.2% and growing. The majority of children are POC, therefore the majority of children shows including superhero movies should be majority POC as per your suggestion.

The Vikings show can easily focus on a branch living and raiding in Asia with Asian actors.

"If that means the end of forced diversity then I want more of that."

Then, you advocate forced discrimination = fewer white males. We can have a show with mainly POC female Vikings.

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As you can see from the following, white is still the dominant culture.
Here are the current demographics of the US according to the US census bureau:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120221
Race and Hispanic Origin
White alone, percent: 75.8%
Black or African American alone: 13.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone: 1.3%
Asian alone: 6.1%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone: 0.3%
Two or More Races: 2.9%
Hispanic or Latino: 18.9%
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino: 59.3%

The Vikings show can easily focus on a branch living and raiding in Asia with Asian actors.

It could. Doesn't mean it should.

Then, you advocate forced discrimination = fewer white males. We can have a show with mainly POC female Vikings.

No, only some discrimination and certainly not forced. And like I've already stated, even if the world was 99% women of color, the Vikings should still be played by white males, because the Vikings were primarily white and male.



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Great article about black Vikings with recommended book:
https://scandinaviafacts.com/were-the-vikings-black/

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Right in the 2nd paragraph it says:
"A small number of Vikings had black—or brown—skin, according to reliable historical evidence. For centuries, dark-skinned people either willingly traveled to Scandinavia or were forcibly taken there as slaves."

It doesn't say specifically what a "small number" of Vikings means, but it would be reasonable to assume, given the current make up of the population of the Scandinavian countries, that this number is less than 1%. If the number is less than 1% then it logically follow that over 99% of the Vikings were white. If Something is 99% white, then it's reasonable to refer to it as white. Therefore it is reasonable to say that the Viking were white (even though there existed a small number of black Vikings).

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And Vikings has a black Viking. Stop whining!

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Correct. And that black Viking, played by a woman of color, is Jarl Haakon, who is supposed to be Haakon Sigurdsson, a white male. So instead of doing the real Haakon Sigurdsson they decided to create a fictional Jarl Haakon in order to check that diversity box.

So I'll continue to whine about it just like I would would whine about Meryl Streep playing Martin Luther King Jr.

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"Then, you advocate forced discrimination = fewer white males. We can have a show with mainly POC female Vikings."

You already wrote that you didn't want any white males. An all female POC Viking show is a vast improvement.

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What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
Where did I say I didn't want any white males?

An all female POC Vikings would be an abomination. I wouldn't watch it, and if anyone did, it would only be to hate watch it.

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No white males since that would be forced diversity.

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Why would that be forced diversity?
Before forced diversity, most TV/shows movies had white males, at least here in the US. Why? Because the population is predominantly white and white males is what most people wanted to see. This was organic, not forced diversity. You can see that this was true, because nobody used to complain about anything being woke. There was still diversity, yet no one complained. If there were more black people in the media, and it was organic, no one would complain either. But right now, it's not organic, it's artificial. Now when a show or movie is being made, they are not asking themselves who would be the best actor for the role, whether black or white, instead, they are asking themselves who is the best minority for this role. The identity comes first. This is artificial. This is forced diversity. People don't like it. And a whole lot of them are complaining. I'm one of those people.

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White males are a small minority of 31%.

No white males since that would be forced diversity.

Vikings = Female POC

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And black females are only 13.2% of the population.

No black females since no one wants to watch that.

Vikings = White male.

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"No black females since no one wants to watch that."

We both agree that you are a NO ONE which is the reason why your opinion is irrelevant.

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You've seen what happened when they forced diversity on the Rings of Power; It got so many negative reviews that they had to shutdown the ratings system and then use censorship to pretend it didn't happen.
This is what would happen if they made a Vikings show with female POC.
I'd say that makes me, and my opinion, pretty relevant.

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If not wanting forced diversity makes me racist, then so be it, I'll wear it like a badge of honor.


YOU GUYS ALWAYS THROW THE WORD FORCED IN THERE...BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS...

If not wanting diversity makes me racist, then so be it, I'll wear it like a badge of honor.

YES...YOU ARE A RACIST.

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I'm only a racist by woke standards.
The reason is because it really is about forced diversity.

I don't mind watching shows primarily about black people, like for example, The Godfather of Harlem, one of my favorite shows on right now. I also don't mind diversity — plenty of shows pre 2015 had some diversity, and that didn't bother me. I specifically hate forced diversity, because with forced diversity, the actor is not there because it makes sense for the story, instead the minority actor is there primarily because they are a minority. The goal is representation, and not a coherent story. What this also means is that you can no longer have stories about just white people. For example, if you wanted to make a story about 4 straight white boys who are friends and who grew up in Iowa in a white neighborhood, you would no longer be able to make such a movie. You would be forced to make one of the actors a minority. This is intolerable to me.
If your dumb ass is fine with having less choices and everything looking like a rainbow flag then fine, but I refuse to accept it.

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FORCED...FORCED...FORCED.


THE WORD IN INCORRECT...OUT OF PLACE AND YOUR CRUTCH.

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When diversity is imposed and involuntary, what other word would you use?

You should also know that if you are OK with forced diversity then it logically follows that you must also be for the prohibition of non-diverse content i.e. you are a tyrant, a censor, and anti-freedom.
Are you OK with being a tyrant?

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FORCED...IMPOSED...INVOLUNTARY...I FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ENTERTAINMENT ON A VERY BASIC LEVEL.

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Do you deny that there are diversity, inclusion, and equity (D.I.E) standards being imposed on the entertainment industry? If so, then you should do some research. If you were to do so, you would find that this is the case. These production companies will tell you themselves. They are not shy about it, they are not hiding it. They are proud of it, they think it's a good thing.
So now that we've established that there are standards, it then follows that TV shows and movies must meet these standards. And If your TV shows and movies must conform to diversity/inclusion/representation standards, then these standards are by definition imposed. Another way of saying that diversity standards are imposed is "forced diversity".
Are you following so far? Do you understand logic? Do you have the ability to reason?
I hope so, because I can't make this any simpler; I don't speak retard.

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🤣

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Like I said, I don't speak retard, so I'll take that to mean that you agree with me wholeheartedly. I'm glad that you finally acknowledge that forced diversity exists and that it is a plague on the entertainment industry. You've finally seen the light.

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I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT TO JUST HOW FUCKED UP YOUR THINKING IS.😘

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I like turtles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

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BUSTIN' MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.

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Whatever floats your boat.

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WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU I HAD A BOAT?!

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Lucky guess.

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Black Vikings existed. You're crying for nothing.
https://scandinaviafacts.com/were-the-vikings-black/

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>Just because a story is fictional doesn't mean that it doesn't have an internal logic.

The casting of House of the Dragon for the Velaryons made great sense in the show. Velaryans basically look identical to Targaryens in the original show. There were already too many Targaryens in House of the Dragon that looked very similar. Making the other Valyrian house black helped to distinguish them.

Does it make a huge amount of sense genetically? Not really, as they would have mostly lost their genetics if they were primarily marrying into white Westerosi families, but it helped for the show. Had nothing to do with being woke.

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It had everything to do with being woke. Since the show was about Velaryons, who look the same as Targaryens, it meant that the entire cast (at least the main cast) would be white. If this was 8 years ago (pre 2015), it wouldn't have been a problem. It would be an all white cast like the first season of Game of Thrones. No problem. Unfortunately, we are in 2022/23, which means the woke cancer has metastasized, and completely taken over the entertainment industry. And woke orthodoxy prohibits making TV shows and/or movies with only white casts, because that would be racist according to their deranged doctrine. White people are no longer allowed to have shows/movies about them. You now have to shoehorn in minorities and quееrs into everything. Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity (D.I.E) standards have been introduced and imposed on the entertainment industry.
It's for this reason why we ended up with a black Velaryon. He's there to check off a diversity box (the black box).
And his son is there to check off the black and quееr box.
This has ruined TV shows and movies for many (if not most) people, including me.
And for this reason, the Wokerati must be purged from every group, institution, and organization, by force if necessary. Pushed out to the fringes of society where they belong. Or better yet, entirely terminated... In Minecraft, of course.

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It worked to distinguish the Velaryons and Targaryens. No-one cared. House of the Dragon was a big success.

>This has ruined TV shows and movies for many (if not most) people, including me.

This is your loss. TV is a better state than it ever has been.

>And for this reason, the Wokerati must be purged from every group, institution, and organization, by force in necessary. Pushed out to the fringes of society where they belong. Or better yet, entirely terminated... In Minecraft, of course.

Can you be specific what you mean here by "pushed out", exactly?

Are you calling for government censorship?

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It worked to distinguish the Velaryons and Targaryens. No-one cared. House of the Dragon was a big success.

I cared, and it was a success despite that, not because of it. It was an overall good show, so people were more willing to overlook this flaw.

This is your loss. TV is a better state than it ever has been.

Yes, it is a loss, that's why I resent it. And no, TV is not better, it's filled with wokeness (identity politics, forced diversity, intersectional feminism). It is repulsive, and a lot of it unwatchable.
TV was best during the golden age of television (1999-2015). That's when you had shows like Breaking Bad, The Wire, Dexter, The Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, The Shield, etc... And no wokness.

Can you be specific what you mean here by "pushed out", exactly?

Yes, pushed out (by force if necessary). In practice this means, fired, shuned, treated poorly, intimidated, blackmailed, harassed, and bullied. The goal is to create a hostile environment for woke rеtаrdѕ. If you make it hostile enough, most of them will leave on their own. Those that don't will be intimidated into the shadows.

Are you calling for government censorship?

Absolutely not. The government can't be allowed to censor anyone, including woke degenerates. The Wokerati should not be censored, whether by the government, or on social media, rather society should simply criticize them so forcefully that they internalize the feeling of being not wanted and excluded from the rest of society.


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How do you quote on here? I'm new

>I cared, and it was a success despite that, not because of it. It was an overall good show, so people were more willing to overlook this flaw.

You're just one person. HOTD was a massive success.

>Yes, it is a loss, that's why I resent it. And no, TV is not better, it's filled with wokeness (identity politics, forced diversity, intersectional feminism). It is repulsive, and a lot of it unwatchable.
TV was best during the golden age of television (1999-2015). That's when you had shows like Breaking Bad, The Wire, Dexter, The Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, The Shield, etc... And no wokness.

You need to pay way more attention.

Babylon Berlin, The Last of Us, Atlanta, Heartstopper, Dark, The Expanse, Severance, Better Call Saul, Mr. Robot, The Queen's Gambit, 1883, Yellowjackets, Station Eleven, The Bear, Pachinko, For All Mankind, Succession, Euphoria, The Handmaids Tale, Ozark, Sex Education, My Name, I May Destroy You, Paranormal, Arcane, Money Heist, House of the Dragon, Extraordinary Attorney Woo, Man in the High Castle, Wednesday, Chernobyl, When They See Us, Balkan Shadows, Stranger Things, All of us are Dead, The Last Kingdom, Ted Lasso, The Gilded Age, Warrior, The Peripheral, Andor, Cobra Kai, Altered Carbon, The Sandman, Dahmer: Monster, Dexter: New Blood, Maid, Unorthodox, What We Do in the Shadows, The Tulsa King, The Boys, The White Lotus, Narcos, Mindhunter, Killing Eve, Taboo, Watchmen, The Night Manager, 11.22.63, Counterpart, The Alienist, A Discovery of Witches, Lucifer, The Crown, Mare of Easttown

All of these are well received, to highly acclaimed. And one of the biggest strengths of the modern TV age is non UK/US productions. Foreign productions are better than they have ever been.

>Yes, pushed out (by force if necessary). In practice this means, fired, shuned, treated poorly, intimidated, blackmailed, harassed, and bullied. The goal is to create a hostile environment for woke rеtаrdѕ. If you make it hostile enough, most of them will leave on their own. Those that don't will be intimidated into the shadows.

Define "woke" please.

And it's funny, for all the complaining here. The 'right' has almost no meaningful contemporary output into the arts. No TV or film or any worth. No video games. Hardly any music. The left, or shall we say "progressives" utterly dominate the modern creative fields. Conservatives and reactionarys are almost exclusively just podcasters and internet show hosts who complain about culture.

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How do you quote on here? I'm new

When you click on reply, on the bottom left corner there is a blue link that says "formatting help".
Click on that and it will tell you how to do blockquotes, italics, boldness, etc. I can't show you in the reply because if I type out the format it's obviously going to execute it as an internal command.

You're just one person. HOTD was a massive success.

There are many people like me. Probably more than half of the country. But their opinion is made invisible by the media.

As for the shows you mentioned, half of them are shit, a lot of them are woke as fuck, even some of the good ones have been wokified. And a few you mentioned were created in, or before, 2015 ex. Mr. Robot (excellent show) and Better Call Saul (carried over from Breaking Bad). I also loved 'Dark', but that show wasn't woke because it was a German show, so they didn't feel the need to shoehorn in quееrѕ and minorities (but even they had a tranny, though it was a minor character).

Define "woke" please.

Depends on who you ask. Generally it is a pejorative and an umbrella term for a constellation of ideas relating to identity and social justice. More broadly it has to do with progressive ideas or ideology. It is similar to SJW, Politically Correct, or identity politics.
My definition of Woke is (usually in the context of media):
1) The obsession with, and glorification of, identity, diversity, inclusion,
and equity to the point of absurdity.

2) Pandering to minorities.

3) Excessive veneration of LGBTQ people and minorities and denigration of white cis heterosexual males.

The Wokerati tend to be authoritarian, sanctimonious, hyper-moralizing, virtue-signaling, tribalistic, cultish and generally off-putting/repulsive to all normal human beings.

If you look and sound like you spend all your time in the racial/gender studies department of academia you are most likely woke.

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There are many people like me. Probably more than half of the country. But their opinion is made invisible by the media.


Except HOTD did very well in userscores online everywhere. There was no meaningful pushback for that casting once the show got going. It was a successful show.

Your "just trust me bro" isn't a convincing argument.

As for the shows you mentioned, half of them are shit, a lot of them are woke as fuck, even some of the good ones have been wokified. And a few you mentioned were created in, or before, 2015 ex. Mr. Robot (excellent show) and Better Call Saul (carried over from Breaking Bad). I also loved 'Dark', but that show wasn't woke because it was a German show, so they didn't feel the need to shoehorn in quееrѕ and minorities (but even they had a tranny, though it was a minor character).


Mr. Robot debuted in 2015 so it just about counts. Surprised you tolerated Mr. Robot given it had a major trans character, and two bisexual leads.

Do you just think that every single show that shows a LGBT person is "woke"? And every single show I linked there is highly rated. Your own personal opinion is completely irrelevant.

And that it's a German show would have nothing to do with anything here. Germany is socially more progressive than the USA, so if anything, they'd be more inclined to do things you don't like.

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Except HOTD did very well in userscores online everywhere. There was no meaningful pushback for that casting once the show got going. It was a successful show.
Your "just trust me bro" isn't a convincing argument.

Yes, it was a successful show because it was good. So most people, even the ones who feel as I do, were willing to overlook that flaw. Also you have to consider the context; It was released at the same time as 'Rings of Power'. That show was so woke, and people hated it so much, that by comparison HotD seems pretty normal. And since it was also a good show, people were compelled to use it as a counter example to Rings of Power.

Mr. Robot debuted in 2015 so it just about counts. Surprised you tolerated Mr. Robot given it had a major trans character, and two bisexual leads.

Yes, I consider Mr. Robot probably the best show of the decade. And yes it is precisely because it premiered in 2015 why it didn't feel as forced. The woke trend was in its infancy and it didn't really bother me at first.
What you have to understand is that this is about forced diversity and forced representation.
What this means in practice is that before, it didn't matter that there were Alphabet people in TV shows, but once it became forced, their representation skyrocketed, it started to feel artificial, and I started to get sick of it. It became played out. And now I can't stand it. So yes, it's reached a point where seeing any minorities or Alphabet people is off-putting to me. The only time it doesn't bother me is if it's an actor that is well known. Like if Morgan Freeman is in the movie, I don't really care that he's black. The reason is, he's in the movie because he's Morgan Feeman and not because he happens to be black.
Your own personal opinion is completely irrelevant.

Although I said many people feel as I do, we are talking about my opinion, so I would say it's pretty relevant.

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Yes, it was a successful show because it was good. So most people, even the ones who feel as I do, were willing to overlook that flaw. Also you have to consider the context; It was released at the same time as 'Rings of Power'. That show was so woke, and people hated it so much, that by comparison HotD seems pretty normal. And since it was also a good show, people were compelled to use it as a counter example to Rings of Power.


ROP just had bad writing. HOTD did not. That was the only main and meaningful difference.

What this means in practice is that before, it didn't matter that there were Alphabet people in TV shows, but once it became forced, their representation skyrocketed, it started to feel artificial, and I started to get sick of it. It became played out. And now I can't stand it. So yes, it's reached a point where seeing any minorities or Alphabet people is off-putting to me. The only time it doesn't bother me is if it's an actor that is well known. Like if Morgan Freeman is in the movie, I don't really care that he's black. The reason is, he's in the movie because he's Morgan Feeman and not because he happens to be black.


This is honestly literally just a personal problem. It's not really based on anything other than you being reactionary.

Although I said many people feel as I do, we are talking about my opinion, so I would say it's pretty relevant.


To your own interests, but there are way more highly-rated shows now than there were in the 00s and arguably even in the first half of the 10s.

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ROP just had bad writing. HOTD did not. That was the only main and meaningful difference.

Yes, I agree. But a lot of people (and I mean a lot) also hated it because it was woke. The diversity/inclusion/representation didn't feel like Lord of the Rings. Probably because people were comparing it to the movies, where pretty much the whole cast was white. This makes sense since the Tolkien universe is based on Anglo-Saxon Europe. Rings of Power imposed their woke ideology onto the Tolkien universe and people were pissed. There were so many bad reviews that IMBD shut down the ratings system and then began removing all the 1 star and 2 star ratings. This is a common tactic of the woke, they want to deny reality and gaslight people who don't agree with them.
This is honestly literally just a personal problem. It's not really based on anything other than you being reactionary.

I don't disagree. I would only point out that many people have the same problem.
To your own interests, but there are way more highly-rated shows now than there were in the 00s and arguably even in the first half of the 10s.

Yes, there are still good shows, but a lot of them (if not most) have been wokified and it makes them less enjoyable. So I miss the days of the golden age.
Here are some that I'm watching right now that are pretty good and not woke (or very little wokeness):
Mayor of Kingstown
Yellowstone
Tulsa King
Perry Mason
Snowfall
Succession
Cobra Kai
The Crown
Outer Banks
Billions
The Boys
Godfather of Harlem
Kin
The Orville
The Peripheral

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Yes, I agree. But a lot of people (and I mean a lot) also hated it because it was woke. The diversity/inclusion/representation didn't feel like Lord of the Rings. Probably because people were comparing it to the movies, where pretty much the whole cast was white. This makes sense since the Tolkien universe is based on Anglo-Saxon Europe. Rings of Power imposed their woke ideology onto the Tolkien universe and people were pissed. There were so many bad reviews that IMBD shut down the ratings system and then began removing all the 1 star and 2 star ratings. This is a common tactic of the woke, they want to deny reality and gaslight people who don't agree with them.


But the bad writing was its main flaw.

I don't disagree. I would only point out that many people have the same problem.


And they're reactionary too.

The Peripheral has a transwoman in it. How does that not piss you off?

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And they're reactionary too.

So what? You say that like it's supposed to mean something to me.
I'm so repulsed by wokeness interjected into my shows/movies that I no longer care whether it makes me a reactionary, racist, Nazi, etc. I don't care.
I will gladly accept any of those labels if it means purging every woke retard from the earth.
The Peripheral has a transwoman in it. How does that not piss you off?

I actually don't know, I literally don't remember. I just watched this show like a month ago, and I don't remember seeing a tranny. Perhaps my mind is so fed up with wokeness that it literally protects itself by tuning out Alphabet people.

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So what? You say that like it's supposed to mean something to me.
I'm so repulsed by wokeness interjected into my shows/movies that I no longer care whether it makes me a reactionary, racist, Nazi, etc. I don't care.


But part of your complaining implicitly rejects other shows and suggests they should never have been made, and you want to ensure they're never made again.

I don't like Christian shows but I don't insist they get blacklisted.

I actually don't know, I literally don't remember. I just watched this show like a month ago, and I don't remember seeing a tranny. Perhaps my mind is so fed up with wokeness that it literally protects itself by tuning out Alphabet people.


Inspector Lowbeer: https://screenrant.com/peripheral-inspector-lowbeer-explained-villain-not/

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But part of your complaining implicitly rejects other shows and suggests they should never have been made, and you want to ensure they're never made again.

I don't like Christian shows but I don't insist they get blacklisted.

I don't know if I would say that. I'm sure there are some that are so repulsive that I think it would have been better if they were never made, but I think for the most part they have the right to exist. I'm against censorship, so I wouldn't want to censor them.
I think what I want is simply more movies/shows that are not woke. This way you could still have all the woke shit that you have now, but you would just have more un-woke shit, preferably the overwhelming majority. This would be good for everyone, more quality entertainment. I think if I simply had more choice (more un-woke movies/shows), I probably wouldn't complain so much.

Inspector Lowbeer

Ah, yes. Now I got it. Yeah, she was a pretty cool character. Like I said, it's not really about the Alphabet people, it's more about the forced diversity, it's just that in practice if it is forced, you start to dislike seeing any Alphabet people, because you can't tell the difference between a character that is organic and one that was forced.
This is akin to the problem with affirmative action; If you are forced to hire black people based on their skin color, then people will suspect every black person of being a diversity hire, and this is unfair to the black people that are actually good at their jobs, who really are there based on merit. But affirmative action makes it difficult to know (at least at first glance) who is there based on merit.

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I don't know if I would say that. I'm sure there are some that are so repulsive that I think it would have been better if they were never made, but I think for the most part they have the right to exist. I'm against censorship, so I wouldn't want to censor them.
I think what I want is simply more movies/shows that are not woke. This way you could still have all the woke shit that you have now, but you would just have more un-woke shit, preferably the overwhelming majority. This would be good for everyone, more quality entertainment. I think if I simply had more choice (more un-woke movies/shows), I probably wouldn't complain so much.


Trouble is your definition of "woke" is way wider than some people's. And it's not even true that you don't "just want woke" because you've complained specifically that a majority of shows/films now don't have all-white casts.

Sure you wouldn't suggest that any show with 1 or more minorities is inherently 'woke'.

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Yes, I would like the majority of movies/shows to have white casts (not literally all-white as in every character, but at least the main cast). The way it was before 2015.

Sure you wouldn't suggest that any show with 1 or more minorities is inherently 'woke'.

No, not every show with a diverse cast is inherently woke. If it makes sense for the story then it doesn't feel forced.
A great example of that is 'The Mayor of Kingstown' and 'The Godfather of Harlem'. The former has a white lead but a large black cast because it focuses on a black gang and people in prison, where you would expect to see black people. The latter has a black lead, and mostly focuses on the black mafia in Harlem, so you would expect them to be black. It's also kind of diverse, because they interact with the Italian mafia, who of course must be white. All of this makes sense withing the story so I wouldn't have it any other way. None of it feels forced, so I don't consider it "woke".

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And dude, Laenor Velaryon was implied to be gay in the original. They added nothing new there.

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What original?
Why do we have to have quееrѕ shoehorned into every show?

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House of the Dragon was based on Fire & Blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_%26_Blood_(novel)

And they're not in "every show", but note that given the large casts of TV shows that it is statistically unlikely that a decent sized TV production would be wholly straight.

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Obviously there should be shows/movies that have gay characters, but in the last 8 years their representation has skyrocketed. They are like 3% of the population, so if we go based on that, only around 3% of the shows should have gay characters, and right now we have something like over 50% (at least that seems to be the percentage of the movies/shows I watch). I'm just sick of it. It feels forced and artificial. And there is a good reason for that; It is forced and artificial.

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TV characters often have ensemble casts. For it to be close to 50% it would have to be 1 of every 2 characters in every show. Which is not nearly the case.

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No, I specifically said that 3% of shows should have Alphabet people, and I also said that 50% of the shows do (at least 50% of the ones that I watch). What you are talking about is having 3% (or 50%) of each show to have Alphabet people (or minorities). I absolutely don't want the latter. In the former, you can have the choice to watch a film/show that has gay characters or not.
If you use the latter, then you have no choice, every show will have gay characters.
This is precisely my main problem with forced diversity. Before 2015, we had white casts, black casts, and mixed casts to varying degrees. This means that you have 3 choices. With diversity being imposed, you are now forced to only have mixed casts, so you are only down to 1 choice. This becomes played out and it becomes exhausting to watch all these diverse casts. Everything then looks like a rainbow flag. What this also means is that you can no longer have movies like 'Stand by Me', where you have a coming of age story about 4 straight white boys in a small white town. You are now forced to make one of them a minority and probably another one queer. This means that the culture of many parts of the country can no longer be represented. The values of liberals from the coasts, where everything is diverse, is being imposed on everyone else, people who don't share that culture. This really pisses me off. And so here we are.

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No, I specifically said that 3% of shows should have Alphabet people, and I also said that 50% of the shows do (at least 50% of the ones that I watch).


I mean ignoring how weirdly robotic this take is "media should perfectly unflinchingly accurately represent demographics", this is just weird. TV shows are not comprised of just 2 characters. There can easily be 20+ characters in a TV show now. If gay people only ever appeared in 3% of TV shows, they'd be substantially *underrated* on a casting basis.

What you are talking about is having 3% (or 50%) of each show to have Alphabet people (or minorities). I absolutely don't want the latter. In the former, you can have the choice to watch a film/show that has gay characters or not.


Why not? Each show having 3% of their characters being LGBT would be completely accurate to demographics. Isn't that what you claim to want? And in terms of racial demographics, it'd be much higher. Isn't that what you claim to want?

If you use the latter, then you have no choice, every show will have gay characters.


Right. But that would unironically be *accurate* to demographics in shows with reasonably sized casts. Perhaps you could get some shows to be LGBT-centric, and overrepresent them so another show would have none.

But ironically I am not calling for any quota system. You are.

With diversity being imposed, you are now forced to only have mixed casts, so you are only down to 1 choice. This becomes played out and it becomes exhausting to watch all these diverse casts.


I have no idea why you find this exhausting. I am interested in decent stories and characterisation. I really don't care about the % of mixed-race or black people, or LGBT people in the plot - so long as it's a good plot, good worldbuilding, good characterisation.

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I mean ignoring how weirdly robotic this take is "media should perfectly unflinchingly accurately represent demographics", this is just weird. TV shows are not comprised of just 2 characters. There can easily be 20+ characters in a TV show now. If gay people only ever appeared in 3% of TV shows, they'd be substantially *underrated* on a casting basis.

I'm not saying it has to be some rigid rule. You can have 10% or 15% of movies with gay characters. All I'm saying is that most movies should not have any gay characters.
Why not? Each show having 3% of their characters being LGBT would be completely accurate to demographics. Isn't that what you claim to want? And in terms of racial demographics, it'd be much higher. Isn't that what you claim to want?

No, I said that this is absolutely what I don't want. I want to be able to watch movies that have no gay characters. I also want to be able to watch movies that have only white people (or only black people). With your system everything will be mixed and look the same. Everything will look like a rainbow flag. That is what is happening right now. I don't want it. I'm sick of it. And the people who are forcing it on the industry, I hate them with a burning passion, and would very much like it if they were to be wiped off the face of the earth.
But ironically I am not calling for any quota system. You are.

Not really, I'm more calling for movies/TV shows to be like they were before 2015. That just happened to be the distribution at that time. Now, with forced diversity there is an over representation in my opinion and I want it to stop.

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I'm not saying it has to be some rigid rule. You can have 10% or 15% of movies with gay characters. All I'm saying is that most movies should not have any gay characters.


As I said, because (at least TV shows) often have large casts - the expectation is that it's more likely than not you'd see a gay person than not.

No, I said that this is absolutely what I don't want. I want to be able to watch movies that have no gay characters. I also want to be able to watch movies that have only white people (or only black people). With your system everything will be mixed and look the same.


Again, I'm not specifically proposing a "system" - just noting that if you took say 20 TV shows, lined up all the characters next to each other - then 3% of them being gay would likely spread across more than 3% or even 10% of TV shows.

So essentially, your maths doesn't really add up because it doesn't take into account the large casts of TV shows. And again, I'm not saying that statistically every show should have X gay people per X characters, or X minorities per X characters - but just statistically, that is how the chips will fall unless it's a specific setting or plot that simply wouldn't have them.

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As I said, because (at least TV shows) often have large casts - the expectation is that it's more likely than not you'd see a gay person than not.

And I'm saying it shouldn't be that way; That most movies should not have any gay characters even if they have a large ensemble cast. Some should, but not most, certainly not all. The minorities and Alphabet people are not entitled to be represented in everything.
Again, I'm not specifically proposing a "system" - just noting that if you took say 20 TV shows, lined up all the characters next to each other - then 3% of them being gay would likely spread across more than 3% or even 10% of TV shows.

So essentially, your maths doesn't really add up because it doesn't take into account the large casts of TV shows. And again, I'm not saying that statistically every show should have X gay people per X characters, or X minorities per X characters - but just statistically, that is how the chips will fall unless it's a specific setting or plot that simply wouldn't have them.

I'm just saying that most movies/shows should not have them that's all. This is what it was like before 2015, and most people didn't have a problem with it. The Wokies came in and destroyed that paradigm and imposed a new one that I don't like. I just want it to go back to the way it was.

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And I'm saying it shouldn't be that way; That most movies should not have any gay characters even if they have a large ensemble cast. Some should, but not most, certainly not all. The minorities and Alphabet people are not entitled to be represented in everything.


Right, so you actually want to underrepresent them.

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If they were underrepresented during the period of 1999-2015, then yes, I want to underrepresent them. I want entertainment to be the way it was during the golden age of television, if that means underrepresenting minorities and Alphabet people, then yes. So be it.

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So be honest and don't suggest that you want to merely normalise their representation.

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What do you mean by "normalise their representation"?

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You were originally suggesting it should be bought down to their prevalence in the general population. I pointed out that by your standards, it would be much lower and you replied that you don't care.

So you want to reduce their presence in film/tv to much lower than their presence in real life.

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That was just an idea I threw out. I was merely suggesting that if they were 3% of the population, it would make sense that they should be in 3% of the movies, and not >50%. But I'm not really committed to that idea or those numbers. As I've said, ideally I just want things to be as they were between 1999-2015. I don't actually know what the percentages were. If it was more then 3% and they were overrepresented, then that's fine. If they were underrepresented, then that's fine too. I don't really care. So when I say things like I want to be able to see all-white casts, or the majority of films/shows should be white, or that most shows/movies should have no Alphabet people, I'm saying all that within this 1999-2015 context. That's what I actually want; Things as they were during the golden age of television.

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That's very unlikely to happen now, and not due to 'wokeness' really. People are less bothered about seeing LGBT people in TV and film.

Especially as people now watch more and more international media.

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Yes, it certainly appears that way.
But the pendulum can swing back, and things could go back to the way they were.
For example, during the 30's and 40's women became very independent, entered the work force, you had more equality, and then in the 50's you had these women who were just housewives, meant to just sit home and raise the kids while the husband was in charge. And then in the 60's and 70's the pendulum swung again, and you had radical feminists rebelling against that system.

So I guess I'm just hoping the pendulum will swing in the direction where we move away from the "cultural left". And I say that as someone who is a far left socialist (economic left).

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The right would have to start making content in an appreciable number for that.

They aren't. Right-wing reactionary counterculture is almost exclusively podcasts and internet shows raging against contemporary culture.

"The left" dominates artistic culture.

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"The left" dominates Hollywood. The woke cult has completely infected Hollywood and they push out or silence anyone who doesn't fully subscribe to woke orthodoxy. Hollywood was pretty hostile to right wingers even before the woke cult took over, but now it's a 1000 times worse.
And when I say "left" I just mean culturally left. They are of course not real leftists. They are all filthy Neo-liberal capitalists and they have contempt for the working class. Socialists (genuine left) is all about working class people. A genuine socialist doesn't give a fuck about your views on race or whether you drop an N-bomb in the middle of the conversation, he will still stand in solidarity with you like a brother against the oppression of the corporate oligarchy. A Wokester would never do that.

As for the right, the problem is that I wouldn't want right wing content either. For example, I certainly wouldn't want religion to be shoehorned into everything, that would be just as bad as wokeness.
I still prefer liberalism, it's just that I hate contemporary liberalism. They all became deranged.

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There's more to media than Hollywood. There's music, tv, film (not from Hollywood), art, literature, video games. Social conservatives are noticeable by their near total absence from all contemporary art forms.

And when I say that the left dominates modern culture, I don't mean specifically 'woke' - just pretty much anything that is successful is a million miles away from being socially conservative whilst still having some contemporary liberal tendencies. Most actual in-your-face woke media is a crumbling disaster, but not all broadly left-wing media is (you would likely hate Euphoria, Heartstopper and Sex Education, but they were highly successful).

The right certainly have the online media presence to push into producing original creative content, but they don't.

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Yeah, the arts were always pretty liberal, it's just that this current strain of liberalism is so repulsive. They used to be anti-war, pro free speech, tolerant, and now they have gone 180°. They cheer on wars, defend the FBI, intelligence agencies, and the national security state in general. They want to censor anyone they disagree with. And they have become these rabid hyper-partisan, tribalistic , insular maniacs. And the arts (and media) suffer because of it.

"you would likely hate Euphoria"

Yeah, I watch Euphoria, but it's difficult to watch. I mean it has the whole woke gen-z aesthetic. Which I hate. All that diversity, the queers, the tranny, the language, Uugghh. It's pretty repulsive. But it does have good writing so I suffer through it.
I do like Fezco, he's a pretty cool character.

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I have no idea why you find this exhausting. I am interested in decent stories and characterisation. I really don't care about the % of mixed-race or black people, or LGBT people in the plot - so long as it's a good plot, good worldbuilding, good characterisation.

It just comes down to taste. We can't help what we like or what bothers us. Some people just find things annoying that others do not. Same with taste, why do I like Vanilla and dislike chocolate? I don't know, I just do. So if all the restaurants all of the sudden only served chocolate or a chocolate/vanilla mix, I would be pissed, because I want to eat just plain vanilla. And to add insult to injury people are criticizing me for wanting plain vanilla, and telling me that I'm not allowed to complain about not being able to find any. And as a cherry on top, they are telling me that I must accept chocolate/vanilla mix, and if I don't, I'm a racist.
If that makes me a racist, then so be it. When I'm being called a racist by a bunch of woke degenerates, I wear it like a badge of honor.

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But this is just a niche preference. It's not really based on any particular sense of righteous indignation. Indeed your own philosophy would underrepresent the amount of minorities and LGBT people in TV by significantly reducing the amount of shows they're seen in at all.

Shit writing is shit writing. The Peripheral has a trans character, but she's a well-written character and well acted. Velma is horseshit because it's just badly written and on the nose. There are plenty of 'woke' shows that fail because they more resemble Christian entertainment in how they're hitting you over the head with a rolled up newspaper about social injustice - but most shows like that fail miserably.

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Shit writing is shit writing. The Peripheral has a trans character, but she's a well-written character and well acted. Velma is horseshit because it's just badly written and on the nose. There are plenty of 'woke' shows that fail because they more resemble Christian entertainment in how they're hitting you over the head with a rolled up newspaper about social injustice - but most shows like that fail miserably.

That's an excellent point about Christian entertainment. That's exactly right, I often made the same point myself, the Wokerati function like a cult, so the woke bullshit they produce is precisely like a Christian movie, where the "message" is being beaten into you.
But as for the writing, yes, it is the primary problem, but even a good show with forced diversity is less enjoyable because of it. Like in the original example we talked about, House of the Dragon, the show was really good, I watched it, and I liked it, but seeing a black Velaryon, was annoying and cringe, like nails on a chalk board. I still watched it, but it definitely made the show worse for me.

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But in this case, it didn't for most people. Genetically them existing would make no sense unless they only had children from across the narrow sea, but then George's understanding of genetics is crap anyway so them being black honestly doesn't matter that much.

That Rhaenys had white hair was more of an annoyance to me because it's her having dark hair in the books that provides a degree of cover to Rhaenyra's bastards. For some reason they changed that.

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Like I said, it mostly comes down to taste. You may not have a problem with it, but I do. It just rubs me the wrong way, and takes me out of the story. It makes me roll my eyes.

With respect to Rhaenys, it looks like our positions have flipped, because I didn't read the books, so her hair didn't really bother me.
But you make a good point that having dark hair would provide cover to Rhaenyra's bastards.

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Everything then looks like a rainbow flag. What this also means is that you can no longer have movies like 'Stand by Me', where you have a coming of age story about 4 straight white boys in a small white town.


I don't recall ever supporting the idea that all-white films or TV shows should be banned.

You are now forced to make one of them a minority and probably another one queer. This means that the culture of many parts of the country can no longer be represented. The values of liberals from the coasts, where everything is diverse, is being imposed on everyone else, people who don't share that culture. This really pisses me off. And so here we are.


Who is enforcing this, exactly? The state?

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Who is enforcing this

Hollywood

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Hollywood doesn't control every single TV and film production.

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Why Is Hollywood So Woke?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6iWCBIPPzg

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PragerU has about as much knowledge about modern TV and film as my grandmother.

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You hate facts don't you?

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What facts am I hating here exactly?

I don't even watch much Hollywood. Their influence is less and less each year. I don't really care. I'm primarily into modern TV.

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I don't recall ever supporting the idea that all-white films or TV shows should be banned.

I'm glad to hear that, unfortunately a lot of Wokies have this idea that everything should be diverse. In their mind they think they are fighting racism or something by making sure that everyone is represented and included. The problem is that if you make everything diverse, then logically you can't have homogeneity. Which in practice means no all white casts.
Who is enforcing this, exactly? The state?

While there are states (I think California) that do have some laws regarding diversity/inclusion/equity, it's mostly the studios and production companies.
You could google it to get more details. But the one that I read about relatively recently is that the Academy awards (Oscars) have implemented diversity/representation/inclusion/equity rules. I think by 2025, all movies in order to be considered for nomination must have POC, Alphabet people, and some other marginalized groups. They literally will require the production company or the studio to give them a profile of every actor in the movie (or at the very least the main cast).
You can see it for yourself, straight from the Oscars website:
https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representation-and-inclusion-standards-oscarsr-eligibility

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To be frank, the Oscars aren't exactly much more credible than the Grammys are for music appreciation. Award shows are of decreasing relevance.

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I don't disagree. But the problem is that if the Oscars implement these rules, then the studios will impose them on their productions. And that is precisely where we are right now. If you want to skirt these standards you have to go outside of the system, or you have to have some powerful people in the industry override these rules. This does happen, like for example you had 'The Northman', it had an all white cast, I don't know how they got away with it, but I'm guessing they probably used their own production company or something. But this has become pretty rare these days.
For me, based on the movies/shows that I watch, pretty much everything is diverse, most have Alphabet people shoehorned in, obviously minorities, but there is now a new trend that is bothering me; Because of forced diversity, movies that have a small cast, for example a movie about a family, must now have one of the actors be a POC, which in practice means that the couple must be interracial. Interracial couples, at least in the shows/movies I watch, has increased by like 500%. It feels like every other movie I watch has an interracial couple. It just feels so false, so artificial. Seeing them, never bothered me before, but now, I can't stand it. Because I know it's not organic.

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https://i.postimg.cc/3xgX4qrd/Stare.gif

Good lord I need to move to another planet.

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Eventually a world war will happen and it'll be about this sort of thing vs saving traditionalism.

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Elon is working on it.

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WHY DO ANY OF YOU WEIRDOS CARE?....NONE OF YOU PLAY SIMS AND NONE OF YOU ARE TRANSITIONING...OH!...YOU JUST LIKE TO BITCH AND WHINE.

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It's stated in my post you horrible excuse for a person. THE CHILDREN, ALL THESE ANTI TRANS POST ARE ALWAYS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN! Stop trying to groom our kids and people like myself will stop caring what you weirdos do behind closed doors. Jesus I really hope you do not have any kids you sick pervert.

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I DO HAVE A CHILD...YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T...YOU SOUND FAIRLY OLD AND BITTER.

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Poor kid, maybe I should send authorities to your place for a wellness check.

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HAVE AT IT...I'LL WALK AWAY WITH THE FATHER OF THE YEAR AWARD.🙂

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How dare you say that you'd win "Father of the Year." That's not very "inclusive," is it? You're not a "father"; you're a self-identified cis male guardian of a child of undecided gender who was birthed by a person. 🤣

Don't you dare get angry, because I'm talking to you in the language of the people you support. So, if you want to not be called out as a hypocrite, you'll call yourself exactly that and you'll regard your child as that. You can't be a "father", because that implies that you're a male who conceived a child, and according to the pro-trans lobby, there's no such thing as biological sex.

So, repeat after me: Not FATHER of the Year. Self-identified-Cis-Male-Guardian-of-a-Child-Who-Was-Birthed-by-a Person...of the Year. Don't have your cake and eat it, too, Pro-Trans. Either you're on board this crap or you're not. But you're not going to have it both ways.

I suspect you'll respond with your stuck caps lock key, as always.

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YOU TYPED A BUNCH OF MUMBO JUMBO BULLSHIT OUT OF YOUR HEAD...NEWS FLASH...YOUR HEAD IS FUCKED...SO ARE THE THOUGHTS THAT MANAGE TO FART OUT.

YOU DO NOT MERIT MY ANGER...THUS YOU WILL EVER RECEIVE IT...YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTH MY IRRITATION...YOU'RE LIKE A BROKEN TOY...I MIGHT KICK YOU AROUND ONCE IN A WHILE...BUT WE AREN'T PLAYING...YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE.😘

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^^^Snowflake triggered..

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I DO LOVE BUILDING A SNOWMAN.

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How dare you assign it a gender.

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IT'S MY CHOICE...I'M BUILDING THIS FUCKER...AND HE IS GOING TO HAVE A GIANT SNOW DONG!

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Holy mother of God, you have a child!?!?!? Jesus fuсkіng Christ on a cracker. Please tell me someone other than you is raising this unfortunate youngling. Please tell me we don't have another dunderhead roaming the earth.

Fuсk me. This is why the world is as fuсked up as it is.
Idiocracy was prophetic.

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LONE PARENT...I HAVE RAISED HER SINCE DAY ONE...SHE IS MY BEST FRIEND AND SHE IS AWESOME...THE FUTURE IS GONNA FUCK YOUR SHIT UP,BRAH.🙂

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My condolences to this unfortunate juvenile. Do you teach her to write in all caps too?

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SHE IS GOING TO BE BIGGER AND LOUDER THAN HER DAD...LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!

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This is why our society will collapse.

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SHE HAS AN OPEN MIND AND SHE JUDGES PEOPLE BY THEIR CONTENT NOT THEIR COVER...LIKE IT OR NOT...YOU AND I ARE THE PAST AND THE FUTURE IS MUCH MORE ACCEPTING.

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May I sir have the honor of dating your daughter if she says yes?

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YOUR FUNERAL.🙂

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You're all kinds of gross on so many levels. You pimping out your daughter to a stranger on the internet in the name of wokeness. You're pathetic man.

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INCORRECT AGAIN...HE ASKED FOR MY PERMISSION TO ASK HER...NOTHING MORE...SHE IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF MAKING HER OWN DECISIONS....AND BREAKING AN ARM OR TWO IF SHE WISHES.

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Glad I could put a smile on your face while breaking Kowalski's balls in the process. Good times.

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I HAVE RAISED HER SINCE DAY ONE...SHE IS MY BEST FRIEND


That right there is how we know you are a shitty parent. Parents should be parents and not friends with their kids. When you do the "I'm friends with my kids" routine they end up like all the pink haired freaks on Tik Tok or pregnant at 12 and saying fuck you to you for the first time at 7 when she doesn't get her way.

It makes sense why you are the way you are. You're a stay at home mom. Dude get a job and get out of the house. Let the woman do the woman part of parenting.

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SEXIST,INCORRECT AND OVER THE LINE.

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AWWW...HIM ACTS ALL TOUGH THEN BACKPEDDLES WITH EDITS.🙂

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Nah I didn't want to stoop to your level. You are trash and using one of your tactics is beneath me.

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BUT YOU DID...YOU STOOPED FURTHER THAN I EVER WOULD...YOU TYPED NASTY SHIT ABOUT A CHILD...I SAW IT...THEN YOU DELETED IT...SHAME ON YOU.

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No I didn't you liar! LOL I was only predicting the obvious future of a daughter left in the hands of you. You are the one offering a female child to a grown adult on the internet. You just graduated from defender of pedophiles, to protector of groomers, and jumped straingt into sex trafficking. You're a class act!

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YOU TYPED UP SOMETHING NASTY...YOU DELETED IT...NOW YOU WON'T EVEN OWN UP TO IT...PATHETIC.

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That poor kid, does she know who her father is? Are you comfortable about her going into public toilets knowing there could be a man in a dress in there? Maybe she's really a boy and just identifies as a girl like the way her parents are promoting.

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YOU'RE AN IDIOT.🙂

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Better idiot than Trans.

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I was so incensed by this, that I had to reregister at MC, in spite of hating this site with a passion.

I have been a videogame modder for The Sims, going all the way back to the very first one, in 2000.The Sims 4 ALREADY HAD "Trans-Inclusive" content. It came out in 2016: https://www.player.one/sims-4-update-allows-players-create-gender-neutral-sims-538009. Not only could players gender however they wanted, they could have male sims pee sitting down and female sims pee standing up. They could also give female sims beards or have guys wear dresses.

This new update is classic GOAL POST SHIFTING that has now become the norm with so-called "LGBTQ," which is why I refuse to stand by it anymore.

Another reason why I won't stand with LGBTQ anymore is that this lobby is so desperate to be seen as acceptable that it cast its lot with fetishists who are clearly exploiting their cause for their personal ends. If you've been in the modding, fanart and fanwriting community for a long time, you will have seen firsthand how fetishists, pedophiles and other deviants have completely overrun these scenes by blurring the line between deviancy and LGBTQ tolerance. I have seen instances where people get called "phobic" because they object, to, say, fan art of the characters from Frozen or She-Ra having lesbian sex.

The Sims is no exception. EA included this content because fetishists have been creating "trans" mods for years and later demanded that EA include it, or else be seen as anti-LGBTQ. Just to show you who is pushing this content, here are links some links (NSFW!!!).

https://www.gamepressur
https://www.dailydot.com/irl/the-sims-4-sex-mod/
https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2016/09/13/the-sims-4-sex-mod-why-the-sims/

Point is, keep blinkering yourself to the fact that this is all in the name of inclusivity. It's not. The pro-trans thing started when Buck Angel made a huge splash reinventing post-op transsexuality as a new porn fetish.

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That is sad. My life revolves mostly around streaming and I remember having fun playing the Sims 1 when I was quite young. Really irritating to think that now that video game companies and developers have to make a game based on political views, when it is really unnecessary.

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My life revolves mostly around streaming


YUP...THAT IS VERY SAD.

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NOBODY CARES,BRO...GO BACK TO YOUR VIDEOGAME/MASTURBATION CAVE.

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Lol why are you randomly bashing me? I was just talking about how I too am personally annoyed that something I am interested in doesn't need to have political themes.

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PEOPLE AREN'T POLITICS.

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I'm female. Why did you think I was male? Because like every trans supporter, you've just decided that women don't exist anymore?

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YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN.🙂

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Pro-trans defender doesn't think that women can post on the internet or be passionate about politics, so emphatically states that I'm not a woman. What a surprise. This is why he's pro-trans. What's being called "trans" are a collective of people who are very confused about sex and gender. Thank God I grew up in the 1970s and 80s. Back then, masculine girls and teenaged girls were called "tomboys" and masculine women called "butch." Today, we're called "trans" or just emphatically told that we're not women. 🤣🤣🤣

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LOL...YES...YOU ARE VERY FUNNY.👍🏾

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Why do you hate women?

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He wants to blur the line between women and trans "women", thereby erasing women in the process.
I do not stand for it.
Solidarity with women... Actual women. As in XX chromosome women.

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Hello from another Sims player *waves*

You are very much correct, there have been LGBT-related mods for Sims for ages, across all games except the very first version. (They've had trans-themed mods at least since the mid-2010s). While I dislike the entire Velvet Mafia, I also know that the Sims franchise has been friendly to that group since the beginning. I go by this mantra with any Sims game: "Just because the game has options that I don't like, doesn't mean I have to use them either." We had the option of making our Sims gay in Sims 1, but I never bothered using it because I like my Sims straight. The same goes for Sims 2, and if I ever get around to Sims 3 or Sims 4, I still wouldn't use those options.

I mean, one of the beauties of these games is to create your own little world the way you want, with no need to let the outside world pressure you into making it in their image. That same unwritten rule applies to those who are either part of the Rainbow Community, or are allies to it. You can play your game any way you want.

All this article proves is that the company making Sims 4 (I assume it's Sims 4, because that game is still getting updates) is just virtue signaling to make the their LGBT customers (who comprise 40% of the Sims playing community) feel "safe." That, and either people within the company, or the writers are stupid, younger than 25 years old, and have been living under a rock for the past two decades when it comes to Sims.

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This update has absolutely nothing to do with being LGBT at all. I'm going to try to explain how I know this with a little "disclosure."

I went to school that was predominantly LGBT in the 1980s and 1990s, and in NYC, no less. The reason why is that it was a trade school in the heart of the Fashion/Garment District. Later, I worked in retail, where almost everyone was gay. So, I was there when the whole "LGBT" thing got started, as a response to the AIDs crisis.

What's being called "trans" today has NOTHING to do with LGBT. The T always stood for "transsexual," which is a person who knows they are biological male or female but wants to live and dress as the opposite sex. That's all that it meant.

What's called "trans" is a new sexual fetish, introduced by both internet porn and the sex tourism industry, and sneaking into the LGBT label as "transgender" instead of the original thing the "T" stood for, which was transsexual. It started with Buck Angel, who promoted himself on Oprah Winfrey as the "man with a ____." Angel became a sensation, and that kickstarted an entire cottage industry where there is now a fetish for hermaphrodites or post-ops who cosmetically look like men and women both have their biological parts intact. Crazy as it seems, a lot of porn stars jumped on the bandwagon. Some used prosthetics (obviously), but others with mental health issues went the surgical route. In any event, this became a fetish.

These trans-fetishists and members of the sex industry have been infiltrating every corner the web, by way of so-called "fan" communities (modding, fanfiction, etc.), trying to pass their fetishes off as "LGBT-friendly." The point I'm trying to make is that it's not that players of The Sims are mostly LGBT, but fetishists latching onto LGBT causes to get what they want in this game.

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Dang! I had no idea the subject was that complicated! I'm starting to see why there's a fracturing within the LGBT community. There are members that are now distancing themselves from the "T" part of the group, wanting only LGB inclusion. Word on the street is, older members of that community are now complaining that because of the trans-craze, nobody's taking their cause seriously anymore, and that it's doing more harm than good.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of seeing my favorite games get corrupted by uncomfortable subjects like this. The only thing you can do is just avoid it, to be honest.

Realistically, most Sims players are not gonna be interested in this niche area anyway, so the computer company making this (I know it's not Maxis anymore, but I don't know their current name either) isn't gonna get the kind of revenue they think they're gonna get. All they're doing is pleasing investors that want them to be as woke as possible, just like the movie/tv industry.

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THIS GUY HAS PROBLEMS.

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more mental illness

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its not

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As long as you can still build walls around your sim and starve it to death, I don't care.

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How do you know they'll allow that? Maybe one day they'll just disable that feature, because it will be considered "proana." 🤣

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The illegal immigrant expansion pack is going to be enormous.

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My Brother is Married Daughter of an Ilegal immigrant show some respect they are all not vermin

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Are you sure you're not an illegal as well? Your English and grammar is that of a retard.

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But still illegal.

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