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Prince Harry admits the royal family made fortune from slavery


That's the reason some of that stolen fortune from the U.K., U.S., France, Spain and Portugal needs to be returned in the form of reparations.

"Harry acknowledged that his family once generated wealth from “exploited workers and thuggery, annexation and enslaved people.” While many people praise the British monarchy for its tradition, most people aren’t aware of the royal family’s historical involvement in the progression of slavery. Esther Stanford-Xosei, a lawyer and reparations expert, briefly educated “CBS Mornings” viewers on Harry’s family’s demoralizing past.

“I mean it goes all the way back to Elizabeth I,” explained Stanford-Xosei. “The British monarchy has been heavily involved in financing enslavement voyages of traffickers, but also beneficiaries of actual labor of enslaved Africans.”

She continued, “The governor of the Royal African Company was James II, otherwise known as the Duke of York. They also found ways of branding African people with the inscription ‘DY,’ for Duke of York.”

While the royal monarchy has never publicly apologized, modern members of the British family, including Prince William, Harry’s brother and the heir to the throne, have expressed sympathy for their ancestors connection to the slave trade.

“The appalling atrocity of slaver forever stains our history,” William said on a visit to Jamaica last year. “I want to express my profound sorrow.” Stanford-Xosei suggested that the royal family won’t apologize because it could cost them money and their reputation. 

“The reason why he doesn’t go further is that he’s aware [of] what it will mean to actually apologize, in terms of the legal obligation to make reparation,” she explained. She added that William and his family feared it would cost the monarchy “not only money, but status… He will be exposing the criminality of this institution.”

“In terms of Prince Harry going this far, it’s really, really important,” Stanford-Xosei said. “We can see the establishment reaction, including… the establishment media, who are seeking to belittle him, demonize him because he is daring to speak universal truths and actually be in touch with the conscience of humanity.”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/prince-harry-admits-book-royal-141418812.html

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Yes we all know that Britain was involved in the slave trade along with just about everyone else one way or another back in those days. Then it was just business as usual. By the way piracy ( stealing other people's stuff ) was also big business back in those days. See back then the strong took from the weak in a law of the jungle kind of way. Fortunately those days are largely behind us in the West.

As for paying reparations who would they be paid to ? The victims of slavery are all long dead. Should I be paid reparations because some of my long dead relatives starved to death in the Irish Potato Famine ? Or because some of my long dead relatives were forced to emigrate from Scotland in the Clearances ? It's nonsense and is nothing but a fraudulent scam to get a large amount of money for nothing.

Mind you I'd be happy to contribute to a one-way ticket air fare for Esther Stanford-Xosei so that she can go back to her ancestral homeland in Africa seeing how she is so unhappy living in England which is the land of some of her ancestors oppressors. Perhaps there she can get herself a real job.

As for Prince Harry he is welcome to pay reparations from his own fortune if he feels so strongly about the issue. But I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.



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The slavers' descendants are still benefiting from the prosperity that slavery brought them. It's time to share some of that prosperity with the slaves' descendants.

400 years of slavery is not nothing.

Btw, your Irish ancestors were poor farmers. It doesn't take rocket science to grow a potato. If they had intelligence, they would have been planting beans, rich and grains, too. I wouldn't equate Irish poor farming techniques with kidnappings, rape, slaughter, torture, brutality and slavery of Africans for 400 years.

Potatoes aren't native to Ireland. What were they eating BEFORE potatoes?

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The slavers' descendants are still benefiting from the prosperity that slavery brought them.

So what ?

It's time to share some of that prosperity with the slaves' descendants.

Why ? What did they do to earn a "share" ?

400 years of slavery is not nothing.

I never said it was nothing. But it is no reason to pay "reparations" to people who have no claim to them apart from being descended from the actual victims of slavery.

As for your rant about Irish people who starved to death not being "real" victims I will tell you yet again Keelai that you are an idiot.




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Descendants always have a share of their ancestors wealth. It's called inheritance. The slavers' descendants inherited. Now it's time for the slaves' descendants to inherit, too.

The Irish were victims of their own ignorance for not knowing how to properly grow a potato. Indigenous Americans didn't have these issues because they grew a large variety of potatoes along with other vegetables.

You're a dummy for not understanding that the British were responsible for the famine and the slave trade.

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Descendants always have a share of their ancestors wealth. It's called inheritance. The slavers' descendants inherited. Now it's time for the slaves' descendants to inherit, too.

You don't seem to understand the way this works Keelai. No doubt that's because you are an idiot. So I will explain it to you. Now pay attention. The descendants of slave owners ( some of them ) inherited the wealth of their ancestors. The descendants of slaves ( some of them ) inherited the wealth of their ancestors. You see how that works ? I don't inherit Queen Elizabeth's wealth because I'm not her descendant. I inherited the wealth of my poor Irish and Scottish ancestors and they didn't have any which is too bad for me. Is that clear ?

As for doubling down on your despicable and racist comments about the Irish victims of the Potato Famine I will remind you yet again Keelai that you are an idiot.



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Slaves had no wealth, Einstein. They weren't paid for 400 years! Back wages are owed by the institutions which benefited including the British royals and U.S. government to the slaves' descendants. They can always file class-action lawsuits against the institutions which took part in human trafficking.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ri4AAOSwqKZgP~x6/s-l1600.png

"Prince Harry is the one royal who has addressed his family's connection to slavery more explicitly.
In Spare, he acknowledges that the monarchy rests upon wealth generated by "exploited workers and thuggery, annexation and enslaved people."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-harry-spare-book-uk-royals-slavery-colonialism-slave-trade-reparations/

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But Keelai the people to whom the "back wages" are owed are all dead and their descendants aren't owed a penny. I explained this to you before but you seem to have forgotten it already. No doubt yet again because you are an idiot.

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The institutions, aka: governments, which enslaved humans still exist. Descendants are entitled to inherit.

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No they are not. You keep saying this as though it is a fact and it is not. It's just your opinion and you are an idiot so your opinion is worthless.

By the way and just for the record what is your ethnicity ? Mine as I indicated is mostly Irish and Scottish.


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Yes, the UK, US, France, Spain, Portuguese and Dutch countries still exist. Wikipedia says so!
Descendants inherit. King Charles says so!
Vulcan and Alderaanian. Governor Tarkin blew-up my homeworld so I'm stuck here.

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It's like talking to a three year old ! The descendants of slaves can't "inherit" the money of the descendants of slave owners. It is a ridiculous thing to say.

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"can't "inherit" the money of the descendants of slave owners."

From the INSTITUTION that trafficked in humans. Not individuals. The money is coming from wages not yet paid in which the institution failed to deliver.

Eventually, the majority of Americans will be POC and the reparations will be paid.

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by keelai:

"Prince Harry is the one royal who has addressed his family's connection to slavery more explicitly.
In Spare, he acknowledges that the monarchy rests upon wealth generated by "exploited workers and thuggery, annexation and enslaved people.""
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@I can see "what ever it takes". Harry wants his family to bleed...He's out to tear down the monarchy and if he can make some millions on the side why not. Meghan did not enlighten Harry. He started to be envious of his brother as he grew up.

He didn't want his father to marry Camilla but he did ... so for the last two years he has been hanging out the royal family's dirty washing hoping to destroy the monarchy . He doesn't want to see neither his father nor his brother on the thrown because he couldn't have it.

Like Quasimodo suggests: why doesn't Harry but his money where his mouth is and start return some money.

And what about those African empires/kingdoms that got rich selling captives from rival tribes to the Europeans for the slave trade?

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There wasn't a peep out of Harry until Meghan showed up. He may have felt resentment, but Meghan got him to finally act upon it.

African kingdoms and empires were destroyed by colonialism and the Atlantic slave trade. Europe stole their wealth. Africans deserve reparations, too. At least return the stolen art.

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By keelai

**There wasn't a peep out of Harry until Meghan showed up. He may have felt resentment, but Meghan got him to finally act upon it**

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@Harry resented to be the spare but there was/is still something worse than being a spare .. once William married and started having children he became even less than a spare.


William had George in 2013 and Charlotte in 2015 .. and a year later in 2016 Harry met Meghan

And the crown was out of his reach forever.

Harry CHOSE Meghan because she didn’t waste time trying to make him reason or to pacify him ,she instead fuelled all the resentment that had been brooding inside him for years towards his family.

Meghan was the ally Harry was looking for..
he knew when he would finally lash out , she would support him being the self-centred , petulant, narcissist bitch she is.

So yes after he CHOSE Meghan and married her , Harry decided finally to show his true colours.

Harry and Meghan deserve each other.. they’re two shitty people.

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Agreed.

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France forced Haiti to pay $20-30 billion over a century for slavery losses and the U.S. aided with military intervention, taking Haiti's profits and severe sanctions which caused Haiti to go from being one of the wealthiest nations in the world to among the poorest. France needs to return the stolen money.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/05/1042518732/-the-greatest-heist-in-history-how-haiti-was-forced-to-pay-reparations-for-freed

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Thanks for the link !

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You're welcome.

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Descendants do not ALWAYS inherit a share of their ancestors' wealth. Some parents have excluded their offspring from wills and some reward the estate to one sibling. Primogeniture is the custom of awarding an entire estate to the oldest son and it was common all over the world.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781118430873.est0290#:~:text=Primogeniture%20is%20an%20inheritance%20rule,the%20primary%20source%20of%20wealth.

Some families go broke from bad investments like FTX, penny stocks or ponzi schemes. Some parents even move into the basement of their children after losing their fortunes.

The royal family really got rich off their citizenry. England had a class system and they still use their titles. Let me know if Harry ever wants to give up the fortune that he inherited from his mum. Harry's drug use destroyed his brain and he needs to stop whinging.

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Queen Elizabeth 1 started the U.K.s involvement in slavery.

You're deflecting. The slavers' descendants have continued to prosper for centuries because of slavery. Now, it's time to share that same wealth with the slaves' descendants.

Meghan has enlightened Harry.

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"The Irish were victims of their own ignorance for not knowing how to properly grow a potato"


hahahahaahah!!!

keelai you sound racist here!!

replace irish with black and we call you racists hahahaha.

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https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ri4AAOSwqKZgP~x6/s-l1600.png

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sorry keelai i cannot assess you links. they are blocked in my countrys.

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You live in Russia? That explains a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os8aMwCTB24

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no keelai i am not russkies hahahahahah.

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This is true. Keelai is clearly and undeniably a racist.

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You're projecting.

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You just made an open and clear series of racist comments against the Irish or have you forgotten that already as well ? Have you been checked for cognitive decline Keelai ? Maybe that's what's causing your idiocy.

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Funny how it's fine for you to be insensitive and dismissive against black people's oppression, but when YOUR BEHAVIOR is REFLECTED BACK TO YOU in regard to the Irish, you're suddenly upset.

I hope you enjoyed a taste of your own medicine!

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Oh I see ! Who's a devious little Keelai then ! So now you're claiming you were only pretending to be a racist to "teach me a lesson". Priceless !

The only thing though Keelai is that I was not being dismissive of the oppression of black slaves. I was being dismissive of you're ludicrous claim that the descendants of black slaves are entitled to reparations. Once again you jump to conclusions and show poor judgement and an inability to think clearly. Perhaps you should go for that brain scan.



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It's not YOUR decision. It's a matter of time before some of the stolen wealth will need to be returned. I notice many former colonies are asking for their stolen art to be returned as well. And William and Kate were met with a hostile reception in Jamaica as more "Commonwealth" nations plan to give the British the boot.

The day of reckoning is coming.

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Keelai not only are you an idiot you are also a lunatic !

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Then, live in ignorance! I'm beginning to understand the reason YOUR ancestor couldn't grow a potato.

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And you didn't answer the question Keelai. What is your ethnicity ?

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How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irish man?
None

What's a 7-course Irish dinner?
A 6 pack of Guinness and a potato

Why did Ireland run out of potatoes during the Irish potato famine?
They discovered they could make alcohol out of them.

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I don't know why you won't answer such a simple question ? What are you hiding ?

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Come on! Those jokes are funny especially the last one!!

An Irishman is struggling to find a parking space.
"Lord," he prayed. "I can't stand this. If you open a space up for me, I swear I'll give up the Guinness and go to mass every Sunday."

Suddenly, the clouds part and the sun shines on an empty parking spot. Without hesitation, the Irishman says: "Never mind, I found one!"

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keelai is fucking racist. look at all these racist joke she make about irsh and she pretend to be anti-racist. keelai is hippocrit hamplanet cunt.

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you ask what keelai is hiding and i will tell you - she is pathetic old woman in her 50s/60s who speak to her sock accounts on here call WhoToTrust - you can see her post below. that mean she is so lonely she have no one to talk to!!

how pathetic is keelai to act all high and mightys to us about race when she spend all day on here obsess with race and replying to to her own sock accounts hahahahahahah. what a disgusting excuse for woman hahahaah

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Your obviously wishful thinking about my account doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. Pathetic indeed. ; )

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What do you call an Irish person that just got beaten up?
Mashed potatoes

An Englishman, Scotsman and Irishman walk into a bar..
An Englishman, Scotsman and Irishman walk into a bar. They all order a beer. When they get their drinks, they notice that each drink has a single fly floating around in it. The Englishman, disgusted, pushes the drink away and orders another. The Scotsman fishes out the fly and continues to drink. The Irishman however, fishes the fly out of the drink, holds it up in the air and yells, "Spit it out you son of a b****!"

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you are very funnys keelai have you ever thought about career in comedy when your role as bearded lady in circus come to end?!

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yes this is very offensive thing keelai write about irish potato.

if irish were black then keelai not write such offensive thing!

i want to visit ireland one day. it seem like friendly places!!

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Meanwhile, you make offensive comments about groups of people all the time. Your hypocrisy is showing.

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yes keelai this is true i will not lie but you act like you are not offensive but your comments are offensive about irish peoples and there suffer. have some thought for these peoples that suffer keelai!!! many peoples suffer in history please do not dismiss them because they just irish!! have heart keelai!!!

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"yes keelai this is true i will not lie"

Exactly! Don't expect me to play nice when you and Quasi don't.

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Hmmm, so play nice is living up to your own standards ... when it suits you?

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That includes you, too. Stop picking fights.

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Well, excuse me, I thought you were already fighting. ;-)
Ready to make my comments as a neutral observer.

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The slavers' descendants are still benefiting from the prosperity that slavery brought them

just to be clear, who are those people exactly?

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Wtf? Lol! I think you just called Quasimodo's ancestors retards for not being smart enough to find better farming techniques or diversify crops. To me it's like the right or Kanye saying that blacks chose to be slaves, that they should've fought harder then they wouldn't have been chained up shtick.

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Kanye? I was doing Gilbert Gottfried shtick!

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You lowlife son of a whore. Ireland's food supplies were seized and sent over to England, all they had was potatoes. The land the Irish lived on was owned by English landlords.

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Your mom is everyone's mom.

Did you guys hear about the Great Potato Famine in Ireland?
Seriously, how hard is it to feed your potatoes?

O'Connell was staggering home with a pint of booze in his back pocket
when he slipped and fell heavily. Struggling to his feet, he felt something wet running down his leg. "Please, God," he implored, "let it be blood!"

Revolt! Kick the English out of Ireland!

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“...In terms of Prince Harry going this far, it’s really, really important,” Stanford-Xosei said. “We can see the establishment reaction, including… the establishment media, who are seeking to belittle him, demonize him because he is daring to speak universal truths and actually be in touch with the conscience of humanity.”

It's pretty apparent that the "establishment media" (of the UK) ALSO doesn't want to apologize for ITS treatment of Harry and Megan because it would also cost them money, their reputation (such as it already is anyway), and expose the criminality of ITS institution given the way they've played such a large role in the demonization and belittling of the couple, since much of British media makes The National Enquirer and TMZ look like Ms. Manners by comparison. Obviously, such projection isn't just an American thing these days. Sad.

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People who are reading the book have said that the media is misrepresenting it by taking quotes out of context.

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Harry himself said the same thing on The Colbert Show recently.

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I just finished the book.

He's attacking the tabloid media - not his family. Most of what he writes about his family seems neutral to me except for the last 1/3 of the book. Near the end of the book, he's upset about his family not publicly commenting against the media, but he's too dense to understand that it wouldn't change their behavior. He's also upset about competing PR employed by his father and brother who are in competition with each other, but he's doing the same thing now with his PR.

It's my impression that Meghan heavily influences that last part of the book. They're attempting to change the narrative for their departure from making money to tabloid harassment. Also, plenty of excuses and denial for Meghan's many behavioral issues.

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Well while I would agree that what you've said about the last 1/3 of the book (just using your comments since I haven't read the book and don't plan to) isn't necessarily "attacking" his family, what you've said sounds as if he's certainly not sparing them from at least partial culpability.

And based on a couple of Harrys television interviews I've seen, I certainly wouldn't described him as "dense". If anything, it's many of the royal family who seem to lack HIS sense of self-awareness that would make them capable of seeing the other perspective of how their lack of publicly commenting against the media makes THEM look actually makes THEM appear dense. Perhaps some are simply mad because Harry and Meghan aren't "playing the game"?

Also, how can it be said that Harry is doing the same thing as his father and brother when he is the only one who has abdicated his interest in having their positions?

Bottom line, is it really for anyone else to second-guess Harry and Meghans personal perspectives of the incidents they've experienced, and as a result, why they may have very good cause to want to change such negative narratives? After all, as far as changing negative narratives goes, based on YOUR comments here on this site, you've done the very same thing when our resident trolls have enlisted their normal routine of attacking you personally as a means of trying to discredit your posts that disagree with theirs...or have your posts simply been excuses and denials of behavioral issues on your part?

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Harry and Meghan have criticized the news media and it hasn't changed their behavior one iota, therefore his family is correct.

Even Harry repeatedly admits that he's not smart. Read the book.

Harry was on drugs and alcohol a good amount of time. That's the opposite of self-awareness.

Harry's book has omissions and contradictions from what they previously said as well as Harry blaming everyone else and taking little responsibility for his own actions. He comes across as a privileged, self-unaware whiner. He's traveling the world, hanging out with his pal's on their thousands acre property, eating dinners prepared by pa's chef and having tea with grandma in her castle while whining about his life which also consists of nonstop drug and drunk partying.

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I'll simply agree to disagree, since much of what you're obviously basing your opinion on is his past.

It's only the person who is not self-aware/smart that cannot admit to the past mistakes you yourself have said Harry HAS admitted to. That said, it's not objective of you to expect that you should get to have your opinion of him apply both ways.



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hahahahahahhahahahah!!!

keelai stop talking to your sock account 'WhoToTrust'. you reply to your sock so you can bump your shitty thread! you insane women hahahahahah

do something with you pathetic life keelai. you are a woman in your 50s and you talk to your sock accounts all day about race hahahahah

fucking retard keelai!!

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Fun Fact, I am not a sock account of keelais', regardless of how much choosing to believe it to actually be true might benefit you....

...making YOU the f'king "retard" for being duped into believing it in the first place. Sad indeed.

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nice try keelai hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhaahha

you were busted in this threads here by veteran movie chat user Padeen: https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/632620da3531cf24468703ab/ILLEGAL-ALIENS-Kicked-Out-of-Marthas-Vineyard-by-Rich-Democrats?reply=632bb28d84aecc17ede6fd78

he knew who you were keelai. you make mistake that all peoples who have sock account make - you reply to person using other sock account thinking you are are using original sock account. look at writing style of you an keelai - you write identical hahahahahha

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Just like padeen STILL is, you are also wrong.

Perhaps the reason you and posters like padeen are always trying to discredit our accounts is because you continually fail to objectively refute what we're saying. ; )

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padeen is veteran movie chat user and they can smell socks a mile off. you have been weeded out keelai! stop this sharade you disgusting woman.

sock accounts users are liars and deceiver which fit keelai's MO to a tea.

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None of your obviously wishful thinking changes the fact that you and padeen are wrong about my account.
; )

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I'd probably agree with most or all (past or present) of Harry's royal family criticisms if I wasn't sick to death hearing about the RF in general.

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I usually ignore them until they become interesting, again. It's like watching a train wreck. Prince Harry talking about his frozen weenie on national (really, international) TV is pretty funny.

The royals' attempt to look dignified when the reporters throw Harry-related questions at them is funny, too.

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It was outlawed 200yrs ago. Get over it already.

So-called "reparations", a nice word for extortion, isn't going to make anything better. In fact, it will make things worse, much worse.

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"It was outlawed 200yrs ago"

No, the 13th amendment only limited slavery in the U.S - not outlawed it.

The British and Americans replaced slavery with brutal indentured servitude and sharecropping as well as prison labor camps which still exist today.

How Britain Used India To Replace Slave Labor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgWU_EUcWlc&list=PL3CQsPufT0A0bWMmvaXU7fFuraSTDDDJr&index=34

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The Brits ended it in the 1820's, dumbass.

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theres little chance of reparations being made , considering the outrage that occurred when someone suggested we go so far as to take the statues honoring these slave traders down - and that wouldnt cost anything!

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Some of those statues have been taken down.

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Indeed thay have .
Some people kept getting upset saying "you cant rewrite history" , or "dont hide it learn from it "

completely missing the point that having that history as a statue is to give it honor and acceptability

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Exactly!
And history BOOKS can be rewritten to be more inclusive.

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Tut, tut, that would be woke, critical race theory ... watch out! :-D

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No, it's not. If a history book only discusses white American males and leaves out contributions from women and POC then that's wrong. That type of discrimination is the reason for Black History Week (now Month).

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I was kidding.

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Wrong day to kid. Today DeSantis banned African-American history in advance placement high school classes in Florida.

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Any family made from old money came up through slavery. All the great wonders of the world were built through slavery. There are still slaves today except now they get paid.

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Every economic thing you look at on this globe is like this, there is so much criminal money that money itself is just a tool or manipulation and control - a meta-level of slavery.

Our lives center around money because no one can analyze it or explain it and we have to hold on to it for some kind of structure so the whole rotten thing doesn't break apart - but now the new structure emerges from those with enough money and hold on local structure to be able to survive - like the aristiocracy of old.

Everyone, i.e. regular people who have to work and be taxed has been turned in a wage slave and is tied up more and more through money and lies while the media ties up their brains.

It's not just the Western Colonizers that owe the world money - it is so complex that even looking at it that way makes it impossible to solve - so, of course, this has been analyzed by the think tanks, and that's what we see in the media, that is why it is framed that way by the media - to put a hot topic out there and turn it to mush with noise disentangling it to anything political.

If reparations for almost anything were to made, say in America some set of blacks got reparations for slavery, it would make everyone else jealous and angry, and probably rightfull so. For the next 20-50 years it would be the number one divisive topic, like Equal Opportunity used to be to rev up racism in the time of the Bakke decision.

Stop grabbing on to specific injustices and view this problem systemically. Talk about it systemically. We need a massive money reset of the people with all the money will be even more dangerous than they already are.

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I don't really disagree. The U.S. is morphing into an oligarchy where the wealth gap is growing. There are too many common Americans struggling financially now which is what really creates hostility and unrest that destroys democracies. When people are doing well, they want to help others and it stabilizes the country. FDR knew this which is the reason he introduced The New Deal policies and changed the tax system that allowed common Americans to make economic gains for decades until the 1970s. Biden knows it also and that explains why much of his economic plan was about strengthening the economic status of the poor, working and middle-classes. Big Business and the rich own the Republican Party which is the reason they're going to use the debt ceiling to attack economic policies which help common people including Social Security and Medicare.

I believe the Nordic Economic model works better for average folks than the American model.

Lawsuits are the best way for black people to fight back. I just read that half of black universities were purposely underfunded by the government. The settlement will be used to make building repairs, etc..

Private companies are given billions from taxes for innovation like the internet, GPS, smartphones, etc.. It makes no sense that the rich CEOs who received our taxes keep 100% of the profit. It should be shared and billionaires need to pay their fair share of taxes. Right now, the working-class poor pay more in taxes than the wealthiest.

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I'd say Morphed.
Long Morphed.
Long Morphed and continued evolving into a criminal fascist oligarchy.
To pinpoint the problem or rather a problem, or a bunch of converging interacting problems.

It's good to keep these issues being adjudicated and in the public eye, but the public eye is being blinkered. The Right has to work very hard to manipulate on this grand of a scale, but they have put the money and work in and have basically pulled it off - so that even Democrats must kowtow to the system to keep their jobs, celebrity and relevance.

When you go down this road with an open mind and think about it, one cannot help but come to the honest conclusion that Russia is not doing this. We were doing this to Russia as we have to all the other countries in the world, and now are even doing to ourselves. The idea that we are the world's police - what we are is the world's killer-cop, and that has no moral authority.

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You have two different topics.

FDR destroyed the Gilded Age with his New Deal policies and higher tax code for the rich. It worked well for common folks who gained economically until the rich decided to fight back in the 1970s. That's when new pro-rich policies, laws and tax cuts started which increased the wealth gap and created the new Gilded Age.

No, the U.S. is not perfect. But, that doesn't mean you should defend a sociopathic dictator like Putin. He's in Africa supporting brutal dictators while his Wagner Group mercenaries slaughter innocent civilians and steal resources. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend as the African populace is discovering.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/01/russian-mercenaries-accused-of-civilian-massacre-in-mali
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/wagner-group-mercenaries-in-central-african-republic/101828556

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>No, the U.S. is not perfect. But, that doesn't mean you should defend a sociopathic dictator like Putin.

You are trying to say the opposite without saying it because you and everyone else knows it's absurd ...

the U.S. is not perfect. But, that means we should go ahead and attack someone we've propagandized in our media as a sociopathic dictator like Putin because our elites don't like him and want to have Russia to expoit.

Referring to the "perfect" just says you cannot deal with the real history of the US, and just refer to all the bad things Putin has been claimed to have done - that never any proof has been offered. Putin has not attacked multiple countries all over the world killing estimated millions of people as the US has.

Putin and Russia in general been defending itself from the West since the time of WWI.

I am not saying Putin is a good guy, but being a bad guy has never deterred the US from forming economic relationships before - always at the expense of the people of those countries - and I am sure you know this but maybe you just force it out of your mind when you make ridiculous comments in favor of war while you pretend to be Liberal or a Democrat, or whatever your fake cover is.

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It sounds like you prefer living in a dictatorship in Russia, North Korea, China or Iran.

I prefer to live in a liberal democracy in the United States, Canada, France, Sweden, Denmark, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Norway or the Netherlands.

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> It sounds like you prefer living in a dictatorship in Russia, North Korea, China or Iran.

Hahaha, really? Actually, that where I would prefer you and the other trolls go to live to get a real understanding of what your nonsense promotes here in America.

That is the kind of comment that is a nothing, and proves you are not to be taken seriously. You pretend to be a Democrat or Liberal, but no one truly liberal says garbage like this.

It was the rallying cry of the extreme Right in the time of the Viet Nam war, when we were burning babies, bombing villages, and defoiliating and poisoning a country we did not even know what we were doing there ... America, love it or leave it. I'd say understand it or leave it, and you don't have a fucking clue. GTFO then.

You're not waving the flag hard enough, so you must be a communist. You play the role of MovieChat's fake token Liberal.

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You're deflecting. Do you prefer to live in a dictatorship rather than a liberal democracy?

Do you support Russia's attacks on our infrastructure, theft of our technology, interference in our elections, kidnappings of our citizens and their nuclear weapons aimed at us?

Do you consider Putin an enemy or ally of the United States?

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You're dumbassing.

It doesn't matter where I prefer to live, which is right where I am. What matters is the BS you and many have swallowed and are still sucking on about the many aspects of this war.

You've been exposed to the truth, and you haven't looked at it, and you have not argued about it, you just bring up silliness like your deluge of dumb questions.

You think you can question my patriotism by throwing throwing your intelligence into question and proving how stupid you are to ask questions that mean nothing.

Putin was a potential ally of the US until all the news came out that made it apparent that we were at war with Russia, for no reason, and took over Ukraine's government, armed it and aimed it at Russia.

> and their nuclear weapons aimed at us?

That's rich ... rich in BS and idiocy.

You know nothing about what is going on over there, and with that lack of information it's really disgusting to take such a strong point, and then argue it so bad. You have only to look at the news and the history that is not loud and mainstream right no, but I doubt you ever would.

The question is - do you care about facts, or do you prefer to right against and propagandize lies because you think it is the patriotic thing to do?

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"Putin was a potential ally of the US"

LOL! Putin was stealing U.S. technology when he was a KGB agent. You're naive to believe former KGB agents have a love for the West. They wanted to destroy the West and its democracies when they were the USSR and they want to do it now. They never changed.

Putin bribes Western politicians and rich people to gain influence. That never stopped.

"Party funding linked to Russia – how much have Tories benefited?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/23/oligarchs-funding-tories

The vile racist populists like LePen and Trump are funded by Putin. Russia has attacked our infrastructure for years.

I know Russians who fled their country after everything was stolen from them by that shitty government.

You hate the U.S. so much, you're defending her enemies.

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> You're naive to believe former KGB agents have a love for the West.

Where did I say or imply that? You just make stuff up.

The US appointed Yeltzin ... before Putin was even in Russian leadership you ignorant slut.

To get back to the point, the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with any of the wild crap you are bringing up to distract from your ignorance, and insults to me.

Of the two of us I am far more patriotic and American because I believe in Democracy and the public forum. You are just a different kind of Republican troll here to waste time and lie.

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If you believe in democracy, why are you supporting a brutal dictator like Putin who said democracy doesn't work and is trying to globally end it ?

War? There is no war! Putin said so. Go to Russia and say "war" so you can be imprisoned for the next 15 years!

Why do you hate Ukrainians when they're fighting for their freedom and democracy? I hope you are a Russian because I hate to think an American is as cowardly and ignorant as you are.

Putin invaded and annexed parts of Ukraine and Georgia years ago. He always intended to finish the job and continue with more invasions because Putin and the Russian people want to be an Empire, again!

Appeasement doesn't work, Neville "Trent N" Chamberlain!

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Again, you don't know what you are talking about or any facts so you just insult and say stupid stuff.

It was Putin who appeased the West who was gaslighting him and Russia by signing a treaty that they never intended to abide by. Putin should have done his Special Military Operation before the West had armed Ukraine - it would have saved thousans, maybe millions of lives and proprety and heritage sites.

See ... you know nothing and are totally ignorant. To make up for that you double down on stupid and rude. I don't think you can ever learn to research and think for yourself.

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Russia shouldn't have invaded its neighbor. Bad Russia.

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Defelection is your talking about me personally and stuff that isn't relevant to any of this dicussion.

It shouldn't matter who I am, you would be able to defend your position against a Russian if you have a clue about any of this. All you can do is deflect to goofy questions about me, and then say I'm deflecting. At least on this issue, you are useless. Probably because you are here to support Democratic talking points so you have to defend this most useless war that America has even been in.

Biden should admit he was wrong and end this war and try to repair relations with Russia, and as Putin was asking for 20 years ago work together to form a new framework for US/EU/RU security.

America has always preferred war, and impoverishing it's own people.

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How can there be security with a brutal dictator like Putin?

There is no war! Putin said so!!

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Why is it you can never respond to anything I say and always have to run away to irrelevant stupid questions and statements,

Do you understand the last 10-20 year history of Ukraine?

Do you think America's past has no bearing on this war?

Why do you think Russia wants to take over Europe? Russia can never match NATO/US military power, and they don't even try to. The only reason Russia built a new technology of hypersonic missiles is because the US rejected arms control agreements.

Rather than try to fit all this data into a model in your head that will never make sense, you insult me and make spurious claims.

What about MBS, is he a brutal dictator. Wanna go to war with Saudi Arabia too. How about North Korea. How much of America do you want to impoverish to fail at all these military operations again and again.

Are you incapable of learning? Paying attention?

With every comment you make you are showing that you are not speaking your own words, it's just politically motivated drivel that you keep repeating that doesn't integrate into reality.

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Russia invaded Ukraine. Period.

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What about the African tribes who made money from selling slaves? Or the Europeans taken as slaves by Middle Easterners over the centuries?

Why is it always focused on only one group?

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Because the "one group" is presently here and still oppressed!

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You’re always good for a laugh.

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You consider racism funny.

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Lol like I said you’re always good for a laugh.

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