"It's like your deaf. We've gone over this already. It's approved for use. It's not fully approved, so it cannot be mandated."
No, it's not approved for use. I has been "authorized for emergency use." That's not approved for use. Once again:
The Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)
...has not been approved or licensed by the FDA
...has not been approved or licensed by the FDA
...has not been approved or licensed by the FDA
...has not been approved or licensed by the FDA
How many times do you have to fucking read it before it sinks into your thick skull?
And we were talking about it under the context of people not using it because it hadn't been approved yet. How the fuck do you not understand that people might be reluctant to use it since it hasn't been officially approved, but only authorized for emergency use? Are you too stupid to see the difference between the two?
"Of course, that brings up the question of if you did read them,"
Yes, I read them. They show how Trump didn't say the virus was a hoax:
"The president never called the coronavirus a hoax."
"manipulating video to falsely make it appear that President Trump called the coronavirus a "hoax.""
"Biden distorts Trump's words on virus 'hoax'"
"Biden ad misleadingly suggests Trump called Covid-19 a 'hoax'"
"Biden's video is inaccurate. We rate it False."
"Trump said that when he used the word "hoax," he was referring to Democrats finding fault with his administration's response to coronavirus, not the virus itself."
"Trump referred to the alleged 'politicizing' of the coronavirus by Democrats as 'their new hoax.' He did not refer to the coronavirus itself as a hoax."
And now you're tying to say that since Trump called the impeachment a hoax, it wasn't really a hoax because they actually impeached him.
That's some stupid fucking logic. Trump was obvious talking about the Democrats attacking him over the phone call was a hoax. Just because they went through with the impeachment doesn't mean the reason for the impeachment wasn't a hoax.
Which is the exact same reason he called them attacking him over covid was a hoax.
Don't you get tired of being stupid?
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
You're not saying anything new. In this post you're not even saying anything new in a new way. All of this has been refuted. You've beclowned yourself.
"And now you're tying to say that since Trump called the impeachment a hoax, it wasn't really a hoax because they actually impeached him."
Yes, Trump abuses language. His malapropisms are legendary. When he said coronavirus is a hoax, critics are not saying he believes the virus isn't real. He was saying the virus is not a meaningful/credible threat. And he was completely mistaken.
You're also, again dropping context. This was about MY claim that Trump said the pandemic was a hoax. That Democrats, including Joe Biden, may have said something is similar, is not dealing with the argument at hand. You're forced to go that route because you're incapable of thinking for yourself, and I wonder if you're even "tying" to.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"When he said coronavirus is a hoax, critics are not saying he believes the virus isn't real. He was saying the virus is not a meaningful/credible threat. And he was completely mistaken."
You don't get to make shit up. When he said it was a hoax, he was talking about how the Democrats were blaming him for it. Even all those liberal fact-checkers understood that.
You're either too stupid to understand that, or you're so biased you refuse delivery.
"This was about MY claim that Trump said the pandemic was a hoax."
Yes, it is. You're stupid accusation that doesn't make sense. You're saying it's comparable to his claim that the impeachment was a hoax, because you're saying he really was impeached, so it wasn't a hoax.
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
>You don't get to make shit up. When he said it was a hoax, he was talking about how the Democrats were blaming him for it.
Wow, you're a sad, little person. Like Trump, all of the accusations are confessions. Instead of "making shit up," quote him. See, that's how claims work. You need to supply evidence. To make the task easier, I posted a portion of the relevant quotation above -- and it includes Trump flitting from topic to topic like a meth-addict.
>Yes, it is. You're stupid accusation that doesn't make sense....
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Yes, unfortunately, I do realize how stupid that sounds. If only you understood how stupid you sound.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"I posted a portion of the relevant quotation above -- and it includes Trump flitting from topic to topic like a meth-addict."
Actually, you took what Trump said and made shit up about what he meant by it.
This isn't rocket science, moron.
"I do realize how stupid that sounds."
Good. Stop saying stupid shit like that. The reason the Dems attacked Trump over the phone call was a hoax, just like the reason they attacked him over Covid was a hoax.
See? It's simple.
If you need help with the big words, let me know.
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
"Actually, you took what Trump said and made shit up about what he meant by it. "
This is yet another unproven assertion. Again, you need to back up your claims with evidence. Since this is about what Trump said, or, more specifically, meant, now is your opportunity to quote him and explain. But you can't do that.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"now is your opportunity to quote him and explain. But you can't do that."
Of course I can do that. Here is what you said:
"One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that."
Let's take for example the "impeachment hoax." It wasn't a hoax; it actually happened. Democrats didn't merely threaten to impeach him -- they DID impeach him. 2X. Trump would have to acknowledge that, yes, he was impeached. What he's saying is that the impeachment was based on non-credible grounds. Now that we have our stupid-to-English translators out, it's perfectly reasonable to infer that Trump here means that the Coronavirus is all blown out of proportion -- just like the "perfect" phone call was blown all out of proportion. He later says the press is in "hysteria mode," but Coronavirus is nothing to worry about because he has it under control and is doing such a good job.
Your claim that "it's perfectly reasonable to infer that Trump here means that the Coronavirus is all blown out of proportion" is just asinine.
When he was talking about the impeachment being a hoax, he was talking about democrats' reaction (impeachment) to the phone call.
When he was talking about Covid, he was talking about the Democrats' reaction to Covid. (Blaming him for every damn thing that happened.)
You even admitted that when you said this:
"Trump bravely stopped people from flying in from China... yet the virus still ravaged the US. And in reality there was nothing that could have stopped it from reaching our shores."
That's you, admitting that the Democrat's reaction to the pandemic was to blame him for things he wasn't responsible for.
THAT was the hoax that Trump was talking about.
Do I have to draw it in crayon for you?
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
Talk about asinine.
"When he was talking about Covid, he was talking about the Democrats' reaction to Covid. (Blaming him for every damn thing that happened.)"
So where does he say Democrats are blaming him for everything that has happened? Identify the sentence. You can't because you're so obviously trying to make shit up. You need check your timeline: At that point, he brags there are only 15 documented cases of infection, and, as I pointed out, later on he says the press is in "hysteria" mode. He was downplaying the virus, just as he downplayed the phone call.
Trump's on the record with Woodward later SAYING he downplayed it.
Re: Stopping flights from China
"That's you, admitting that the Democrat's reaction to the pandemic was to blame him for things he wasn't responsible for."
You can't read.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"So where does he say Democrats are blaming him for everything that has happened? Identify the sentence. You can't because you're so obviously trying to make shit up."
Yes, you're a fucking moron.
From here: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-politics-joe-biden-1eea443cca46df5f18e61b7c34549da2
THE FACTS: The accusation and the selective video editing are misleading. At the rally featured in the video, Trump actually said the phrases “the coronavirus” and “this is their new hoax” at separate points. Although his meaning is difficult to discern, the broader context of his words shows he was railing against Democrats for their denunciations of his administration’s coronavirus response.
“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” he said. “You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it.” He meandered briefly to the subject of the messy Democratic primary in Iowa, then the Russia investigation before returning to the pandemic. “They tried the impeachment hoax. ... And this is their new hoax.”
Asked at a news conference the next day to clarify his remarks, Trump made clear he was not referring to the coronavirus itself as a hoax.
“No, no, no.” he said. ”‘Hoax’ referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job. The hoax is on them, not -- I’m not talking about what’s happening here. I’m talking what they’re doing. That’s the hoax.”
He continued: “Certainly not referring to this. How could anybody refer to this? This is very serious stuff.”
That's from one of the fact-checkers. I told you to read them.
Did you? No, you're too fucking stupid.
"You can't read."
Once again, Trump said:
"”‘Hoax’ referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job."
Shutting down the flights was part of what Dems criticized Trump for, and part of what he considered a 'good job."|
You seriously had to have that explained to you?
Moron.
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
From the site:
"The broader context of his words shows he was railing against Democrats for their denunciations of his administration’s coronavirus response."
That's been the whole point. The coronavirus is a threat that Trump's doing a poor job handling. It's not that he believes Cornoavirus does not exist.
”‘Hoax’ referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job."
Man, you're just terrible at this -- unless you're trying to demonstrate my point. Again, the argument is that he's not doing enough. As sure as the sun rises, Trump will claim he's doing a good job -- a great job -- the best job. Trump gives himself A-pluses and says he has the best run administration in history. As far as the braying buffoon is concerned, the "hoax" is that he has not been doing a good job.
Trump is a retard-whisperer, and maybe Stupid is your native tongue, but once anyone realizes the idiosyncratic way he's using the term, all of this apologetics quickly falls apart.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"Again, the argument is that he's not doing enough."
Of course that was the argument. That's all the Democrats talked about. Trump didn't do enough. Trump was to blame.
Fuck, we just talked about how Biden had blamed him for ALL the deaths.
Are you that stupid you can't remember that?
So THAT was the hoax Trump was talking about. That the Dems were blaming him for it.
Seriously, are you retarded?
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
It's amazing that you find this empowering. If you understood anything, you should feel embarrassed.
Trump contended that fears of coronavirus were a form of hysteria. Except hundreds of thousands of people ended up dying. Trump did not take mask-wearing seriously and continually downplayed. He SAID he downplayed it.
As for Biden blaming ALL of the deaths on Trump, I've talked about this separate issue multiple times, speaking in conditional statements to cover every possible angle.
You don't even understand the origins of these different threads, or that the pandemic "hoax" was triggered by my off hand remark. Maybe you're suffering from dementia.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"Trump contended that fears of coronavirus were a form of hysteria. "
Actually, he contended that the Democrats jacking up the fears was a form of hysteria.
"Trump did not take mask-wearing seriously and continually downplayed."
He was taking the advice of Fauci at the time, who said wearing masks didn't help, and could even hurt.
"As for Biden blaming ALL of the deaths on Trump, I've talked about this separate issue multiple times, speaking in conditional statements to cover every possible angle."
Yes, you've deflected and spun your story.
The fact is he said it. It wasn't a gaffe because he reiterated the same sentiment multiple times. He even said "I'm not making this up." How much clearer does it have to be to sink into your thick skull?
" or that the pandemic "hoax" was triggered by my off hand remark."
Now you're just babbling.
You said "Maybe you don't recall President Trump calling the pandemic a "hoax.""
And that was a fucking lie. He didn't call the pandemic a hoax.
At least try to be honest.
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
"Actually, he contended that the Democrats jacking up the fears was a form of hysteria."
No, you're wrong. He's criticized Democrats, to be sure, but he's also criticized the press, and the medical establishment. Now, if in your teeny-tiny brain you want to say, "Yeah, they're all Democrats," fine, but it's not limited to the Democratic Party.
Re: Downplaying Masks:
"He was taking the advice of Fauci at the time, who said wearing masks didn't help, and could even hurt."
We know about the medical establishment's lie in that case. Subsequently, after Fauci reversed course, Trump still pooh-poohed mask wearing. He wanted the country to open up by Easter.
Pandemic hoax:
"And that was a fucking lie. He didn't call the pandemic a hoax."
No, it's not. Trump downplayed. There were only 15 cases. We would be fine. It wasn't until bodybags coming out of NY, his old friends dying, when he even appeared to take the virus seriously. Shit, shortly after being infected and going to the hospital, he insisted on coming out and waving to the public. His White House had more infections than New Zealand.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"No, you're wrong. He's criticized Democrats, to be sure, but he's also criticized the press, and the medical establishment."
You're like a kid with ADHD. All over the fucking place.
Show me a quote from Trump where he said the 'medical establishment' was creating 'hysteria.'
And yes, the Democrats and the mainstream media are the same. Both of them hate Trump.
"We know about the medical establishment's lie in that case."
No, it was Fauci's lie. Why isn't he being criticized for misleading people early on when it could have made a difference? He was the medical authority, not Trump.
No, the Dems and the media hate Trump, so they're going after him instead.
"after Fauci reversed course, Trump still pooh-poohed mask wearing. He wanted the country to open up by Easter."
Now you're just making shit up again.
From here:
https://nypost.com/2021/06/03/fauci-emails-show-his-flip-flopping-on-wearing-masks-to-fight-covid/
By the end of March, Fauci had become more receptive to the idea of masking up. As he wrote to a Dr. David Katz of La Jolla, Calif. on the last day of that month: "There are some data from NIH that indicate that mere speaking without coughing elicits aerosols that travel a foot or two. If that is the case, then perhaps universal wearing of masks in the most practical way to go."
On April 3, then-President Donald Trump announced that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was recommending Americans wear cloth or fabric face coverings in public places. States like New York soon announced that residents should wear masks when social distancing was not possible.
Easter was April 12.
"Trump downplayed."
Yes, he downplayed. While taking steps to mitigate it, like shutting down flights. Which Biden wouldn't have done.
And 'downplaying' isn't the same as calling it a hoax.
Stop lying.
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
"Show me a quote from Trump where he said the 'medical establishment' was creating 'hysteria.'"
I do not have a quote off-hand of Trump criticizing the medical establishment. I do have a quote of Trump saying the press is in "hysteria mode." Your claim is disproven.
"No, it was Fauci's lie. Why isn't he being criticized for misleading people early on when it could have made a difference? He was the medical authority, not Trump.
No, the Dems and the media hate Trump, so they're going after him instead."
Hilarious. One thing disproven, onto the next. Accusing me of ADHD: Again, all of the accusations are confessions. Fauci is part of the medical establishment that assured the public early on not to wear masks. And of course Facui's been criticized. Biden should have let him go. But, here's the thing: Despite Fauci's failures, he's still not as bad as Trump. He's wormy Washington guy who failed to stand up to Trump.
"Yes, he downplayed. While taking steps to mitigate it, like shutting down flights. Which Biden wouldn't have done.
And 'downplaying' isn't the same as calling it a hoax.
Stop lying."
Christ, you're fucking retarded. The only reason why "hoax" is used is because of your boy, Cheeto Von Tweeto.
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KinkyInk (1694)
3 years ago
"I do not have a quote off-hand of Trump criticizing the medical establishment."
See, this is what you liars do. I ask you for a quote from Trump saying the medical establishment was creating hysteria, and you say you can't find a quote criticizing them.
First of all, you were lying saying he said they were creating hysteria, and now you're lying again by switching it to 'criticizing.'
Stop fucking lying.
"I do have a quote of Trump saying the press is in "hysteria mode." Your claim is disproven."
When did I claim that Trump didn't say the press was causing hysteria? Of course they were. As I said, they hated Trump just as much as the Democrats, so of course they were going to cause hysteria in order to undermine him.
Learn to fucking read.
"One thing disproven, onto the next."
Huh? What did you disprove? The only thing you disproven is that you have any functioning brain cells.
"And of course Facui's been criticized."
No, he hasn't. Other than from the Right. The Left has treated him like a god.
Stop fucking lying.
"Despite Fauci's failures, he's still not as bad as Trump."
Says the TDS sufferer. "Orange man bad!"
"And 'downplaying' isn't the same as calling it a hoax."
No, it isn't moron.
"The only reason why "hoax" is used is because of your boy,"
Yes, he used hoax. And then idiots like you who can't fucking understand the meanings of words lied and said the pandemic was a hoax, not the Democrats' reaction to it.
Stop lying.
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MavKilledGoose (876)
3 years ago
"See, this is what you liars do. I ask you for a quote from Trump saying the medical establishment was creating hysteria, and you say you can't find a quote criticizing them."
No, I said I did not have a quote off-hand; I did not say I was incapable of finding a quote. See, I'm not into your sort of panic Googling. I'm also inclined to believe any fair-minded observer will recall President Lysol being at loggerheads with Fauci and others. It's not an extraordinary claim. I regard as you a bug. One that has been squashed multiple times.
"First of all, you were lying saying he said they were creating hysteria, and now you're lying again by switching it to 'criticizing."
You have no apparent idea what I'm claiming. Trump said the press was in hysteria mode, which can be fairly interpreted as causing panic (which is why he said he downplayed). Regardless, youv'e been shown to be wrong yet again.
"When did I claim that Trump didn't say the press was causing hysteria?"
You said it was the Democrats, you idiot. And that's when I said it wasn't just Democrats. Jesus.
On Fauci being criticized:
"No, he hasn't. Other than from the Right. The Left has treated him like a god."
Just another dumb take in a string of dumb takes. If the Right has criticized him, then he's been criticized. It's also silly to imagine the left is monolithic. Yes, certainly most Democrats lionize him.
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