Many governments around the world are starting to implement it now as well as many states in the US. Personally I don't mind this if it's for travel or large events but I do have some beef with it for restaurants. I don't think they'll do it for grocery stores since that'd be like signing people to death.
shareGiven that we are in the 2nd year of a pandemic, proof of vaccinations to go to other countries is pretty logical. The LAST thing more vulnerable people should be doing is spreading this shit.
For grocery stores though? Immoral and unethical.
I also have ZERO problems with showing your ID when voting. Fuck dem Dems.
But the millions of illegals flooding over the southern border do not have these passports. Just proves the passports aren't for controlling covid.
shareYou people love your lies and bullshit.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/06/ron-desantis/ron-desantis-effort-blame-covid-19-spread-migrants/
Ron DeSantis’ effort to blame COVID-19 spread on migrants is short on evidence
If I pay for your plane ticket will you meet me at the southern border?
shareI am saying that if they were serious about controlling the spread of covid, they would not be allowing millions to cross the border illegally with no covid tests or vaccines and especially no passports of any kind. My argument does not rely on a chain of infection which leads back to illegals. If covid containment rules are based on political agendas then they do not actually care about containing covid {impossible anyway}.
shareYou're contradicting yourself and don't even realize it. You're so dismissive of vaccine cards/passports - the topic of the conversation - that you haven't even addressed it a and simply attempted to deflect it to talking about problems with border security. You feign concern about the spread of covid coming from illegals crossing the border; claiming they are spreading the virus, despite the fact fact-checkers have proved that to be untrue.
And I've got money that says you object to vaccine passports, which is an attempt to stop the spread, which you just claimed to care sooo much about. It's almost as if you don't actually care about controlling covid and your opinion is based on political agendas.
"It's almost as if you don't actually care about controlling covid and your opinion is based on political agendas."
I don't, because the last year has proven it cannot be controlled. We cannot control the flu, and there is no reason to chop off ones hand to prevent losing a fingernail.
"claiming they are spreading the virus, despite the fact fact-checkers have proved that to be untrue."
First, you are nuts if you believe they don't spread any covid, just like BLM do not spread covid but trump rallies do. But as I mentioned before I didn't say they did "but they do". My point is the people pushing passports are disingenuous, I could at least respect their position if they applied it across the board to every group. The illegals are just a perfect example of how the masterminds are full of shit.
"And I've got money that says you object to vaccine passports, which is an attempt to stop the spread,"
THE VACCINATED ARE SPREADING COVID
How is the spread stopped by the vaccine if those vaccinated are still spreading the virus? It actually exacerbates the problem because just like the masks, the vaccine makes people act immune. At least when they believe they could be contagious or susceptible to catching the virus they keep a guard up.
I dunno man, that may change in the future. If we start seeing a large uptick on Lambda variant then you know it's migrants from the south since that part is affected with Lambda, especially Peru.
shareI don't have a problem blaming ANYONE for ANYTHING as long as we are allocating the blame accurately. I have a big problem with illegals i general, so I have no problemi blaming them for spreading coivd, IF they are responsible for it, but facts are they're not.
shareYes! I agree Kuatorises!
Unless you got something to hide, showing a vaccine card should NOT be a problem. This isn't about you or your feelings. It's about the health and safety of employers, guests, and pretty much everyone across the globe.
Those who don't like it, can exercise their "freedom" by turning their butts away from airports and canceling that flight so that kind and hard working adults don't have to put up with their Karen behavior.
It's about the health and safety of
Comparing hitter to this situation is like comparing fish to Dolphins. They'd two very different classes of species. Dolphins are mammals and fish aren't.
shareOk, Vaxi, you convinced me...I'll go get my jab.
And together, we will get those diry, unclean jews....errmmm I mean unvaccinated people away from the rest of society!!
One could also make the argument about privacy with that logic.
Unless you got something to hide, recording your calls/online chats/CCTV's in every corner should NOT be a problem. This isn't about you or your feelings. It's about the security and safety of civilians, tourists, and pretty much everyone else across the globe against any possible terrorism.
Those that don't like it, can exercise their 'freedom' by not doing anything fishy in public or at home so that kind, obedient, hard working conforming adults don't have to put up with their rebellious behavior. FOR THE CCP!
She's a Nazi in denial...
sharecant wait for mine!
then i can go to a restaurant and know theres no crazy people in it. or covid.
You sound nutty.
This is why it is so easy to enslave people.
shareHaha, I know right? It sucks how I still have to wear a mask indoors now though but thank god viruses are courteous and polite enough not to latch onto my nostrils when I take my mask off to eat and converse in a closed setting with recirculated air in the room with possibly no filtration. Aren't viruses just great?
shareYes! Just like my parents were ready to show my vaccines card to prove I've gotten the measles and polio shots to enroll me in Kindergarten or else, I wouldn't get in. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
shareThe Measles and Polio vaccines have been fully approved by the FDA.
The Covid-19 vaccine hasn't.
That is a political situation ... the vaccines have proven safe just by the number of people who have gotten them. Hundreds of millions, and they are all OK, despite lies and fake news.
In terms of safety and effectiveness both Pfizer and Moderna are at the top of the list of vaccines ever produced.
We cannot move forward with people who do not comprehend the basic requirements of civilization, so we need to make rules for them.
"That is a political situation"
Any proof of that claim?
From here: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-development-101
By submitting a BLA to the FDA, a company is seeking permission to distribute and market a vaccine for use in the United States. FDA evaluates the data to determine whether the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine has been demonstrated and whether the manufacturing and facility information assure product quality and consistency. After its evaluation, FDA decides whether to approve (also known as to license) the vaccine for use in the United States. If FDA approves the vaccine, the company is permitted to market it in the United States for use in the population for which it is approved.
FDA makes its decisions based on its analysis of the benefits and risks for the intended population who will receive the vaccine, as well as the disease(s) to be prevented. FDA’s scientific team works collaboratively to evaluate all of the scientific data and information included in the BLA and makes the determination whether to approve a vaccine. A typical FDA team is comprised of: physicians, chemists, statisticians, pharmacologists/toxicologists, microbiologists, experts in postmarketing safety, clinical study site inspectors, manufacturing and facility inspectors, and labeling and communications experts.
Approval of the FDA is just a formality and very political.
After all, how fast did they approve HydroChloroquine for the President which even had actual dangerous side-effects?
Saying I am flinging BS is just you continuing to do what you accuse others of doing ... typical right-wing troll behavior.
"Approval of the FDA is just a formality and very political."
Once again, link?
"Saying I am flinging BS is just you continuing to do what you accuse others of doing"
I posted a link from the actual FDA, explaining their process for approving vaccines.
And you posted... bullshit you made up.
Like you always do.
"After all, how fast did they approve HydroChloroquine for the President which even had actual dangerous side-effects?"
Actually, dumbass, Hydroxychloroquine was approved by the FDA back in 1955. It's on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. And in 2018, it was the 129th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 5 million prescriptions. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine
And the FDA's approval of emergency use of Hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 had nothing to do with Trump. Some doses were donated, and only those doses were allowed for treatment of Covid-19.
https://www.healio.com/news/rheumatology/20200408/fda-approves-hydroxychloroquine-new-drug-application-to-address-covid19-related-shortage
On March 28, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization, which allowed hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine products that were donated to the SNS to be distributed and used for adolescent and adult patients hospitalized with COVID-19 who cannot be part of a clinical trial.
> Actually, dumbass, Hydroxychloroquine was approved by the FDA
Actually dumbass, you're the dumbass ... it was not approved for Covid-19 obviously. Drugs are not just blanketly approved, they are approved for specific treatments.
This is typical of you and you cohort of ignorance ... does it ever stop you from pretending you know what you're talking about? Not a chance. Just like Trump.
"it was not approved for Covid-19 obviously. "
Are you a fucking idiot who can't read?
Here's what I posted:
On March 28, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization, which allowed hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine products that were donated to the SNS to be distributed and used for adolescent and adult patients hospitalized with COVID-19 who cannot be part of a clinical trial.
Safe doesn't mean absolutely safe. I wish there was a list to compare vaccine deaths of the past (excluding immunocompromised and maybe possibly certain older age groups as they seem to still not protect the elderly as good younger folk). Most of the breakthrough vaccine deaths come from the elderly on the Delta variant. I feel COVID is a rare case where there are more related deaths after being vaccinated than previous pandemics.
shareThe irony is ... the stats are known ... and these new mRNA vaccines IRONICALLY are the safest, most effective vaccines ever in history, and these whiners are making a fake issue about it and killing people. Everyone who has participated in these vaccine attacks should be answerable for the pain, misery and deaths they've caused.
shareEXACTLY ... no big deal.
People would not be worried about it if there were not constant lies about the vaccine making people sick. That is nonsense. The Pfizer and Moderna are just about perfectly safe. They are a huge advancement in medicine ... and probably Russia is jealous they they send their trolls over here to try to ruin it for us.
If they're going to do it ... then do it right.
I think they should do it everywhere.
We have disruptionists, obstructionists, liars, virus terrorists on the right that don't seem to agree with the rules of civilized society, and yet want to take advantage of the benefits of said society.
I carry my proof of vaccine with me just in case, and have never had to use it once ... so I would look forward to me using it more and seeing others using it too.
I am tired of right-wing overly simplistic logic trying to decide what everyone should do based on their simple assumptions. They have proved they do not get it, so the adults have to step in.
Show me your papers!
sharedoes Amerkazi salute
Yes sir, KinkyInk sir!
takes out his Vacchinenpass
As you can see I have Vaccine Blood in me, SIR!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_papers,_please#During_the_COVID-19_pandemic
I think the difference here in this case is that it's companies/corporations enforcing them and not the police state.