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CDC admits it, the vaccines DON'T WORK!!!


The CDC said today that vaccinated people now must wear masks. So you got vaccinated for NOTHING! If you got vaccinated but you can still get and transmit the virus then COMMON SENSE would dictate that the vaccine DID NOT WORK!!

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Nonsense!

They were never 100% effective. Mine's (Moderna) is 90-94%, but I'm around a lot of people so I continued to wear a mask and practice social distancing. The vaccine prevents long covid, serious complications and death.

Until the covey-spreading wimps take the vaccine so we can finally have herd mentality, I'll continue to take extra precautions.

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That's not what's confusing the OP.

Even at 100% effectiveness, you can still contract covid and spread it (albeit a much smaller window).

The OP is an idiot who thinks that's the same as getting sick from it.

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wrong, it keeps people from getting sick and dying, NOT FROM TRANSMITTING IT!!

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The Cdc director said this morning that vaccinated folks can transmit the virus. It's the first time I'd heard this

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The fact about transmission has been out there for months, but suppressed by media. The lie by omission out of their teeth.

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No one ever said vaccines don't work. All they're saying is wearing masks decrease the chances of Covid spreading faster. Vaccinated people still have a tiny percentage chance of getting infected, but we're still better then the position we had a year ago!

Also mind you, they only require wearing masks indoors and in large crowds. Meaning if you're outside taking walks or riding bikes by yourself, you don't necessarily need to wear it.

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So, then when do we get to take the masks off? Because according to what you wrote, the answer is NEVER.

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You can thank the "brilliant" anti-vaxxers for that🙄 Because if them, the new variet could very well spread rapidly, so now to avoid it, we have to continue the dreaded safety measures. If we had at least 70-80% fully vaccinated by now, we wouldn't have to worry about Covid so much and maybe you wouldn't need a mask!

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You can thank the "brilliant" anti-vaxxers for that


DEAD WRONG.

People that do not have the vaccine give zero resistance to the virus running its natural course. In no way shape of form does the virus have a reason to mutate to resist a man-made vaccine. This is virology 101. You're being preyed upon by media junk-science.

Now, in a vaccinated person, the virus has a new, unnatural defense mechanism to get around to survive...and now has every reason to find a way to break through it. That's why they are called "break-through cases". The doctors and scientists that warned about mass-vaccination during a pandemic were censored and silenced....now look at the mess it's caused.

You've been lied to. Wake up.

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A virus mutates by copying itself, not by fighting against a vaccine. In unvaccinated people, the virus has more time to copy, meaning more chances of a copy error which is what mutation is.

That's not to say they can't mutate in vaccinated people, but the chance is lower because those viruses have a smaller window of opportunity.

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Unvax cannot create a vax resistant strain, its not physically possible. Back your shit up or shut up.

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A "vax resistant strain" doesn't happen because the virus runs into the vax and thinks "oh shit I gotta do something about this."

Mutation is a copy error. In order for the virus to be a virus, it has to copy itself. But every once in awhile, it copies itself incorrectly.

The more time it spends copying itself, the more copy errors it produces. At first, these mutations don't mean anything. The vaccine handles them because the mutations aren't different enough from the original strain.

It's only after an extended period of time that we begin to run into strains that are so different from the original variant that the vaccines begin to be less effective.

So millions of anti-vaxxers means many, many, many more opportunities for the virus to copy itself, and many, many, many more opportunities to copy itself incorrectly.

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In no way shape of form does the virus have a reason to mutate to resist a man-made vaccine.
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Now, in a vaccinated person, the virus has a new, unnatural defense mechanism to get around to survive.


so which is it?



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They are different statements, try reading.

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You mutants with your vaxx are causing these variants and your vaxx does exactly jackshit for the delta or gamma variants so what you gonna do now jackass?

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You have zero evidence based on that. Stop believing fake websites that you read on the Internet. Anti-vaxxers spread nothing but false news! That's all they do lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.

Their goal is to destroy other people's lives and make everyone miserable b/c their own personal life was always a hot mess......even before Covid. The idea of people being happy again is upsetting to them.

Believing anti-vaxxer theory is as accurate as listening to a random stranger telling a trained professional pilot how to fly a plane.

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Piers Morgan double vaxxed gets covid - https://etcanada.com/news/804215/piers-morgan-tests-positive-for-covid-19-despite-being-double-vaxxed-the-roughest-ive-felt-from-any-illness/

400 brits a day get covid even after 2nd jab - https://stateofthenation.co/?p=69043

Gamma Variant breakout in double vaxxed French Guiana - https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article

So the CDC is a fake website huh

Tell me more idiot

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Chances of getting Covid after being vaccinated is less than 5%. And even if you get it, your even less likely to be hospitalized and die.

Notice I NEVER said its impossible for vaxxed people to get Covid or that they were 100% immnune.

No health expert will encourage people to take vaccines that are ineffective.

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Sure they won't

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There's no legit reason out there that proves the anti-vax theories are 100% correct.

Just b/c about 1/100 die from vaccines, doesn't make it dangerous. 1/100 pedestrians get hit by a vehicle. Should we ban crossing the street?

1/100 people die from severe allergic chocolate reactions. Where the anti-chocolate eaters at? That's what I thought!

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Says the dipshit wanting forever masks, social distancing and vaccines plus booster for a virus most people have a 99.9% chance of surviving

Didn't think through did ya

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Where in my post did I say I want masks to continue forever? Post in the direction where I said that! I'll wait.

You have no idea what 99% survival rate means. There's people who survived BUT....suffered from permanent Lung and heart damage. Some had long haul symptoms for like 6 months! Some of these were previously and physically active healthy people. Those lucky enough to have a fast/easy recovery passed it to a loved one and they died. Wake up and get your facts straight!

Vaccines may NOT be 100% effective but they sure as hell lower your chances of being hospitalized and killed. Stop lying to yourself! This isn't fantasyland. It's a worldwide pandemic.

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The vaccines cause blood clots. How would you handle that, Tilly. You are one ignorant nitwit! There are people who are prone to blood clots. My daughter is one and has a filter in her groin to stop them from traveling to the lungs and/or heart. This is what happened to the healthcare worker who RandallGraves referenced. But, you don’t care about those types of side effects. Getting jabbed is more important to you than making a quadriplegic out of someone due to the vaccine! You are evil!

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Every post you write is wrong...

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Israel acquired “herd immunity”, but now Covid is back. Breakthroughs abound! The vaccine of unknown long term side effects isn’t worth getting.

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The CDC said that the vaxxed are carrying a higher viral load than the unvaxxed, making those who took 'the jab' more contagious than the unvaccinated. Now they are recommending a 3rd shot to protect against the delta variant.

Soon, all those that took the 3rd shot will be blaming the 2-shotters for everyone being sick. Then that will be the new virtue signal, how many booster shots you've had, and they'll blame everyone with fewer booster shots for the continuation of COVID, because the sheep believe everything the TV tells them. They worship the TV.

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I got my first two shots so I would not have to wear a mask at work. Now I have to wear a mask anyway. So, no third shot for me!

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So happy I took the wait and see approach.

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But you DO realize you ONLY have to wear it in indoor crowded places? Once you're outdoors in a big open space, you're free to remove it.

You go to Walmart for 30 mins, mask up, get what you need, get in your car, and remove it. 30 mins won't kill you. Health care workers must wear them up to 12 hours a day.

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mask cuck... whenever i am on train where they are super lame about masks i always use the loophole of always having something to drink or eat at hand so i can take a sip whenever the conductor would walk by. spend 6000 miles on train and was able to get away with only 1 hour of mask time. when i sleep i would put hoodie on and hide my face to window. nobody would bother me then

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Hmm. Hopefully that's not true. Dr. Monica Gandhi suggests that those tests could be false positives, and that hysteria may be winning out over common sense among some in the medical community. Hopefully she's correct about that. Guess time will tell.

https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinated-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated/
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Yep. Seems the vaxed should be forced to mask up until real science can get a hold of what’s going on. Thank god for the immune system. People would be wise to do everything they can to keep theirs strong.

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Hey, luckily Pfizer has made an extra 11 BILLION in profits in less than a year on top of the already 25 BILLION they take in annually.

It was never about your health or life.

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that is chump change compared to all the profits they will rake in from alleviating the side effects the sheeple suffer from there mcfranklinstein jabs

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Yup, but not me!! I wasn't stupid enough to allow them to turn me into a GMO Mutant.

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yea me neither i been bamboozeled enough times by those science bitches to trust any doctor. spending all my money on time off, active lifestyle, and good food. health insurance is waste of money much better to spend on health prevention than anything those quacks can offer you

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Vaccines build antibodies that greatly boost your body's immune response, preventing the virus from escalating into something serious, and greatly curtailing how contagious you can become (and shortening the period of possible contagiousness). Vaccines have never stopped us from catching a virus. They just help our bodies fight it much better. The only purpose for someone who's vaccinated to wear a mask is to try to prevent a vaccinated person who's been infected from spreading it to someone who isn't vaccinated, and who is therefore at much greater risk from it. However, it's been shown that these vaccines greatly reduce the chance of COVID-19 being contagious.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19

The question comes in with this recently emergent Delta variant, and whether the above holds true for it, which is why this is being brought up again. Some studies show that the current crop of mRNA vaccines are just as effective against Delta, but it's in question.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid

As an example of this, my cousin's husband has been battling the Delta variant for the past four weeks, and just last night had organ failure and died (he was also a heavy smoker, which put him at tremendous risk). He was not vaccinated. Anyone around him who was vaccinated barely felt a blip and recovered in a few days (including my cousin). The vaccines absolutely do work for most people. It should be noted that there are a small handful of people who cannot take the vaccine due to possible allergic response (especially the Johnson & Johnson vaccine), but in my view it’s not on everyone else to wear ineffective cloth masks to protect that very small handful of people.

In fact, my take is that if you're not vaccinated at this point, and you get infected (possibly from someone who was vaccinated, although again that should be rare, and so may not even be aware they were infected), that's on you (for either not being vaccinated yet, or if all of the vaccines are determined by your doctor to be too risky, putting yourself in close proximity to others who might be contagious). The vaccinated should not be forced to wear masks. The unvaccinated need to take some personal responsibility and protect themselves.

Plus, as is well-established but for some reason ignored by the CDC (although I think they’re erring on the side of caution), this particular virus is less than .3 microns in size, which means that cloth masks are barely a barrier for it (i.e. if you can breathe successfully, you can spread the virus), rendering cloth masks ineffective. Distancing is the only thing that works (or an N95 mask). Or, well, stop breathing. That’d work also. In fact, I’ve argued that masks give people a false sense of security, which lures them into close-contact activities where they then spread the virus (right through the mask!) Fauci understood this in the beginning but was then pressured to change his stance, at which point he got caught up in the politics and proceeded to nullify anything else that came out of his weaselly mouth.

Having said that, if my area mandates masks in indoor, close-quarter areas, will I wear one? Yes. While I don't see them as very useful, it does me no harm whatsoever to comply with that particular mandate. Causing a ruckus would be counterproductive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_3vINOxAQ
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We know what the definition of vaccine is. For the lemmings:

vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity

The covid shot does neither. Scientists are now saying it actually does the opposite and damages the immune system. And will delay heard immunity.

Thank god for the immune system and it helping us achieve a 99.97% survival rate. People would be wise to do everything in their power to keep theirs strong. Notice we don’t get that message from our noble saviors in big government or big pharma.

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The covid shot does neither.
It doesn't? The evidence suggests it does, but I'm open to any studies that suggest otherwise (as should we all). But I also have direct anecdotal evidence. My wife takes immune suppressors, and some studies had shown that they can prevent the mRNA-based vaccines from helping to produce antibodies against COVID-19. Fortunately, an antibody test showed that she had them.

Is that not evidence that the vaccine worked?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24285-4
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.html
Scientists are now saying it actually does the opposite and damages the immune system. And will delay heard immunity.
It's important to constantly evolve toward the most accurate and reality-based version of the truth, and most up-to-date information on any topic, that’s humanly possible. In light of that, are references to studies available anywhere that suggest what your statement entails? If so, it'd be good to propagate that information, meaning direct links to such studies, articles, etc. to everyone possible so that they can be apprised of all possible data. Could something like this be what you’re referring to:

https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/16/next-generation-covid-19-vaccines-are-supposed-to-be-better-some-experts-worry-they-could-be-worse/
Thank god for the immune system and it helping us achieve a 99.97% survival rate. People would be wise to do everything in their power to keep theirs strong. Notice we don’t get that message from our noble saviors in big government or big pharma.
Indeed! You’re absolutely right about this. This is something many politicians and leaders in the medical community seem to forget, or just willfully ignore because it doesn’t fit their preferred narrative (and would hurt Big Pharma’s bottom dollar if not waved away). A healthy immune system is the first line of defense! There’s another aspect that must be considered that boils down to the long-term health of humanity as a species vs the short-term welfare of individuals (which is cold, but the hard truth).

Evolution tends to adjust as-needed naturally. Our collective viral immunity increases each time humanity faces a pandemic. Those with immune systems who can’t handle it, or who don’t generate adequate antibodies, die off, while those with qualities that do respond well live on to continue the species, propagating that same immune robustness to offspring. This eventually leads to a stronger collective species by weeding out the weak, so to speak. No doubt exposure to past viruses helped better prepare us as a species for this recent onslaught from COVID-19 via this evolutionary process. This highlights why natural immunity should definitely always be considered, not just in the near-term, but more importantly the long-term, before shoving vaccines out.

Having said that, artificially boosting our immunity can be a positive, as long as that boost enhances resistance long-term, especially if it can be passed down to future generations. Importantly, if it can do so while preventing harm in the near-term to individuals, that’s even better. Right now, most evidence suggests that at least the mRNA vaccines have the potential to accomplish this, but it’s also very early to know with certainty. We’ll only truly know decades or even hundreds of years from now. In my view, natural immunity can be complimented with medical science; they can co-exist, with one enhancing/accelerating the other.

To add further context, a New York Post article today reports that of 161 million vaccinated in the U.S., 5,601 so far have caught breakthrough COVID and were hospitalized, and 1,141 have died. That’s an extremely small .0007%. There’s a much better chance of dying in a car crash, or even being hit by lightning. It’s all about perspective, and seeking a proper, rational context.

Again though, if there’s any viable information from reputable sources to the contrary regarding these specific vaccines, it’s important to expose as many people to it as possible. Like a virus, which in one respect information is (i.e. a virus of the social mind), if we allow small snippets of data to blend with other data that at first may appear contradictory within the social arena, they will all evolve into an amalgamated state that will eventually develop into a closer, more accurate, representation of reality.

In other words, everyone should always strive to…
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It doesn't teach your T-Cells how to create anti-bodies. It manipulates your cells to create the same toxic spike protein that covid makes your cells do. It literally turns you into a walking covid virus particle.

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Partially correct. From the first link I included above:

The BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine induces spike protein-specific neutralizing antibodies associated with protective immunity.
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Thanks for doing your research and not falling for the BS.

Without the vaccine, people typically beat it, but their bodies have to go through the arduous process of figuring out how, which is what causes you to be sick.

The vaccine is basically just a shortcut to telling your body how to beat covid. When the big test comes and you get hit with covid, you don't get sick because your body has the cheat sheet.

So far it looks like the Moderna vaccine is holding up against the Delta, assuming you have the two doses, but Pfizer may require a booster though the studies aren't conclusive yet.

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Masks: Mitigates transmission slightly (strength depends on mask type), doesn't prevent contracting or spreading.

Vaccine: Immune to direct COVID death (excluding rare reactions/complications leading to death) and higher resistance of getting infected (strength depends on length of efficacy), doesn't prevent becoming asymptomatic or spreading or becoming hospitalized.


Does that make common critical thinking sense?

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There have been many breakthrough deaths so it's incorrect to say that vaccines provide immunity to death. I just don't think we are going to get accurate numbers since the government hasn't abandoned this vaccine. I've decided that this administration is committing the sunk cost fallacy by pursuing the push to vaccinate everyone even though the vaccine is ineffective and harmful to some. The most recent Israeli efficacy numbers for the Pfizer vaccine drop from 44% down to 16% based on the time that has passed since the inititial shot. The article details 169 breakthrough deaths in Illinois. I don't think the feds will give us info on national breakthrough deaths since it goes against their vaccination push.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/07/29/pfizer-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-effective-delta-variant/?sh=3bfa89f214a0

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/169-dead-644-hospitalized-in-illinois-breakthrough-covid-cases/2569598/

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Meh, too many variables on the rare deaths from fully vaccinated. I'm guessing all these deaths are from old folks or does it not say? And this is just in Illinois alone and only at the start of this year on people hospitalized. That's a fricking very minute number of people considering the scale of vaccinations already done in the country alone.

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I just don't see the point of giving out a vaccine that has been proven to be ineffective. Per the article below, the Pfizer efficacy rates have dropped in recent Israeli studies. I'm okay with the authorities suggesting people at risk to get the vaccine. The data below shows that most people who die from covid are old/obese. Covid survivors are still suffering through serious ailments so that should not be ignored.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

The cdc website states that 79% of covid deaths are people aged 65+ and another 15% are aged 50-64. People under 50 are only six percent of the deaths. Another article states that 50% of the hospitalizations are obese people while another 28% are overweight people. The outdated BMI chart is unforgiving so it considers a lot of fit people to be overweight.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

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The vaccine is leaky AF, and the media are beginning the pivot already. It's so old and tiresome to watch.

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I don't think the protection provided by the vaccines are strong enough to protect everyone and a lot of people are suffering vaccine side effects. It might make sense to get the vaccine for at-risk people since they are usually SOL if they get covid. I just think social distancing and masking are the better preventive measures. The guy in the article below regretted not getting the vaccine but he was obese.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844441/I-shouldve-gotten-damn-vaccine-Tragic-text-sent-dad-five-died-COVID.html

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What's the push back going to be against a government that has fully gone communist? This isn't about science. This isn't about slowing the spread. This about beating the population into submission and enslaving us to human misery. It's doesn't matter if we make the same mistakes all over again.

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I wish you were wrong.

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