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Can we help North Korea or is it doomed forever?

posted 4 years ago by TheMan18 (13184)
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Are there no peaceful or military forces to help and free North Korea from all the troubles and injustices that its citizens and visitors are facing mostly due to the Kim Jon Un's extremely notorious regime?

And can we perform the kind of liberation of it with military that would not make us out to be the notorious barbaric villains that such wars as the Afghanistan and particularly Iraq made us?

Also, even barring all the other troubles such as what Kim might do with his nuclear arsenal, or what its supporting neighbours (should China be ashamed?) might do or think?

If we lived in a far more peaceful, civilized and fair world, how do we help it? Thanks.

[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

The biggest injustice being done to North Korea are the sanctions being put on it from the west. If we want to "help" North Korea we need to leave them the F alone. If we want to relax tensions with them then we have to follow Dennis Rodman's lead. Seriously. You can take that from an IR major.

How the F ever is invading a country "liberation"? The Chinese say the same thing when they invaded Tibet and want to invade Taiwan. As it is said, it's like copulating for celibacy. LEAVE THEM THE F ALONE and then MAYBE just MAYBE things will get better for them.

[–] TheMan18 (13184) 4 years ago

But then isn't all the trouble and injustice and all the concentration camps with abuses of power entirely due to Kim Jon Un's dictatorial regime as opposed to Western sanctions? If we completely leave them alone, are they not going to continue their torturous and murderous crimes against humanity?

Yes of course in a traditional sense never is invading a country an act of liberation. But then, if military was sent somehow to stop the bad people doing what they do, and they somehow carefully constructed a plan not to harm any civilians that happen to be in the way, and only target and attack areas where the evil political leaders and their comrades are hiding, perhaps there is law on every corner watching as they keep an eye only on the evil perpetrators (wasn't the main reason Iraq war was so bad and killed so many innocents was because it was invaded not to free people from the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein but for oil and under the lies of weapons of mass destruction?) then...

Also, in World War 2 for instance, yes bad things and brutalities including murder of innocents happened on many sides, but there were justice-oriented soldiers who went in and fought the Nazi Germans and a lot of it WAS done in self defense AND to stop bad and further bad things from happening, so a military option in some cases DID make things better and prevented further expansion of the Third Reich no, or if such soldiers simply sat at home and did nothing and we left the Nazis alone, they would've stopped by themselves? Doubtful! So why such passive an option then for North Korea?

[–] TheMan18 (13184) 4 years ago

And besides, isn't it a moral duty to also, for one, arrest Kim Jon Un and have him tried for crimes against humanity, I mean, we cannot JUST leave him alone like that if he is guilty of mass repressions, torture and murder of many innocent people like that?

So OK maybe no military intervention of any kind to achieve it, but something MUST be done, right?

[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

Yes stopping the sanctions and optionally giving them aid and making friends with them. Making it clear that the prior administration were the enemy to freedom and democracy and apologizing for past wrongs. ie. diplomacy.

[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

Do an internet search on General Smedley Butler and read what he wrote.

[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

No.

[–] christomacin (4730) 4 years ago

It's not as simple as that. China is not going to let us or anybody else liberate North Korea, because they fear a unified Korea that leans towards the U.S. and Japan. They also fear sharing a border with a nation with a more open, democratic system, as this might spill over into China itself. They also don't want South Korea inheriting North Korea's nuclear program. If North Korea ever did begin to totter, China might very well pre-emptively invade and install a more pliable, predictable regime to prevent this from happening.

[–] VoiceofReason (503) 4 years ago

it would have to be some super sudden internal coup by high up officials acting as a small group or with help from the outside.

but likely many of them like nazis have themselves committed atrocities so fear what repercussions that could have.

we cant fully blame Bush, who was illegally invading a non WMD country while NK developed nukes. Because besides this NK literally has 10k pieces of artillery trained on Seoul.

any sort of modern army invading I think would destroy the NK army. the problem is the 100s of thousands of South Koreans who would be killed by the artillery.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (15112) 4 years ago

Better just to blow them up with their own nukes and start over when the radiation goes away.

[–] TheMan18 (13184) 4 years ago

Also, if sanctions are so damaging and morally wrong, why do they pass and apply them anyway, without a second thought? Or are those people perhaps neither very moral nor intelligent enough when dealing with matters like this and are selfish by nature?

[–] TheMan18 (13184) 4 years ago

2 Voice of Reason - about the "Bush" part - are you talking about George W Bush's role in the 2003 Iraq war here and that you believe he isn't the ONLY overall party to blame for that war, even though of course he is culpable?

[–] TheMan18 (13184) 4 years ago

And I am guessing there ISN'T one right, perfect, totally (or even MOSTLY) humane method of liberating North Korea and allowing a positive regime change that will help to end more than one decade of their unjustified suffering and oppressive nature of their authority?

Also, OK so we rule out that such military interventions via invasion are wrong, very much likely illegal, could do more harm than good etc but what CAN we do, is it even POSSIBLE to make the RIGHT decision here and be seen as heroes and liberators and not invaders and major war criminals etc as a result?

[–] VoiceofReason (503) 4 years ago

no I mean he isnt the only reason we didn't stop NK getting nukes. he and Cheney were 100% culpable for Iraq and war criminals

[–] Gd5150 (11965) 4 years ago

We tried that with Iraq. As soon as we make progress the Democrat media/party will undermine the efforts once they realize the people who are freed won’t be democrat voters.

[–] TheMan18 (13184) 4 years ago

But wasn't the whole Iraq fiasco due to the fact that the US and its leader George Bush invaded it for reasons OTHER than justified liberation of the Iraqi citizens from the brutal oppression of its own government under Saddam Hussein, wasn't the main motivation behind Iraq invasion OIL?

[–] VoiceofReason (503) 4 years ago

yes the Democratic Party was the problem with Iraq.. it wasnt that multiple bush generals disagreed and even resigned because he disbanded the Iraqi army (and most of their institutions) leading to chaos and violence and 1 million armed men jobless and desperate many who joined jihadists as a result.

or that the entire war was based off a lie and illegal. It had no clear goal or mission and was doomed from the start

you actually live in la la land...

[–] Filmtenk2 (4137) 4 years ago

This is what I don't get about NK. It doesn't have to be this way. The world knows how oppressed the NK people are I bet we could help them if their leaders ever decided to abdicate.