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Jesus Christ, is that you Tarantino?
First, Chuck Norris was a tournament fighter not a street fighter like Bruce Lee. I've never heard of Chuck Norris beating anyone up in a non-tournament fight. Lee beat up a few people in real fights.
Second, you're basing your opinion on Lee's fighting on the way he fought in his films which is wrong. He was a smart man and knew the difference between fighting to seriously damage someone in real life and what looked good on camera. For example, he didn't do those big John Wayne style punches in real life fights that he does on Norris in this when he gets him up against the wall. He did quick and powerful short punches to take out people's vital points but he knew those wouldn't look good on film.
And third, I think this guy knows more about him than you.
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I don't understand people who say it's more of a Joker film.
Batman has his moment with the muggers at the beginning. While we're introduced to Nicholson, the party's going on at the Wayne manor. While it's showing us Nicholson become the Joker and killing Jack Palance it's showing us Bruce Wayne interacting with Vicki and Alfred then sleeping with Vicki. While Joker takes over the criminal empire, we see Bruce visiting the murder scene of his parents and come across him Joker killing in broad daylight and going home to start looking into him after talking with Alfred. He comes out of the film for a little bit while Joker meets Vicki at the museum but Batman gets his screen time back when he comes to Vicki's rescue, the ensuing car chase, taking care of the goons, and taking her to the Batcave while Joker disappears for this entire section. Joker and Bruce have their confrontation at Vicki's apartment, Joker addresses the city on TV while Bruce watches him and flashes back to his parents deaths, talks to Vicki about their relationship, and then it's non-stop action from that moment on with Batman blowing up the chemical plant, flying the Batwing, onto the belltower...
I think because the Joker's the showier role with more dialogue while Keaton's Batman is more taciturn they feel as if the screen time is mostly focused on Joker. Overall he probably does have the most if you added it all up but I never thought it was completely uneven and Batman was sidelined unlike Returns where he disappears from the film often for long sections while Penguin and Catwoman take center stage.
The penguins with rockets on their back and magically using their flippers to drag Penguin's dead body into the water make me roll my eyes to this day. Much goofier than anything in the Adam West show.
Again, the outrageous camp was already there in Returns, the Schumacher films just took it to the next level and removed Tim Burton's macabre sensibilities is my point.
I see Batman '89 and Batman Returns the same way as I do Raiders and Temple Of Doom.
The latter have dark elements but much more campier and over the top moments while the former have their comedic moments but overall stick to a more consistent, mature tone.
As regards the sexual side of things, I've heard the same but weirdly BF and B&R seemed more sexual to me - Bat nipples, close ups of Batman, Robin, and Bat Girl's ass, Poison Ivy's cleavage etc.
True but you asked if the franchise's decline was inevitable. Penguins with rockets on their backs and James Bond type puns is where the decline started as far as I'm concerned.
Batman Returns started the Adam West type camp with things like the Penguin army, the Ice Princess, and the non-stop puns. Michael Keaton's Batman starts coming out with one-liners like "Eat floor, high fiber" that he didn't in the original but you still had a gothic darkness to proceedings.
Batman Forever then removes the Gothic darkness and just has the artificial camp and puns of Returns from the outset. "I'll get drive-thru".
By the time we get to this, it's just nothing but camp. I wish they'd stayed with the tone of Batman (1989). Elements of camp but mostly dark and gritty.
It was a courtroom drama/musical hybrid. It wasn't hard to grasp. It was just crapola.
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Ford was convincing as an action hero like Indy, and everyman roles. And you say he was trying to get away from heroic roles he already had two years prior with Mosquito Coast.
Apart from the desert sequence, which is better than anything in the 2008 version, and the look of the Hulk himself, it's poor.
I like it despite Brad Pitt's acting. David's supposed to be inexperienced and hot headed but Pitt played him as if he was... how to put it, a bit special.
Somerset could've easily have stopped Tracy been killed.
The film makes it clear right from the outset that Somerset is like a chess player. Always analyzing every little detail and thinking methodically. Cut to the part of the film where they discover John Doe has been watching their every move and he conveniently becomes stupid instead of saying "We should send some cops to David's place, give Tracy protection around the clock".
How weird he is in interviews could be just cocaine.
From what I've heard, Lydia's daughter doesn't believe that she's got supernatural abilities and can see ghosts which means neither Lydia or Delia have told her about their experiences and friendship with Adam and Barbara which is a huge F you by Tim Burton to those two characters.
Unless I've got this wrong?
The proper term for woke means "aware and actively attentive to important societal facts" which means it is woke. I haven't seen it but I know some people who have and they've said that the whole suicide stuff from the original is sidestepped obviously because our attitude to suicide and depression has changed significantly since the 80's, so that's woke, despite some people desperately trying to change its meaning.
I haven't seen it but it's funny how you talk about nostalgia when that's the only thing the positive reviews have been about it.
It's basically been "There's too much going on plotwise but it's great to see Keaton back".
No way.
Even before I even saw this I hated Vanilla Sky. Nothing but a dumbed down, ego trip for Tom Cruise.