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<blockquote>Shined the light so Rohan could see it numbskull</blockquote>
And what do you mean by shine the light so Rohan could see it? You mean the pillar of fire or do you mean like creating a light as bright as the sun?
<blockquote>Not believing a claim is not the same as asserting the claim is wrong.</blockquote>
Yes it is, if you say "I don't believe in God," then it's the same as saying God doesn't exist.
<blockquote>This is your last chance to prove everyone knows you have three accounts, or else the topic is going to be tabled until you can provide proof.</blockquote>
The proof is that I've been using the same name.
<blockquote>Prove to me he could not have extended the light to Rohan and don't engage in assumptions or speculation.</blockquote> Wat do you mean "extend the light to Rohan"? That doesn't make any sense.
<blockquote>I do not believe that there is a giant oil deposit under my house but that does not mean that I am claiming there isn't a giant oil deposit under my house</blockquote> That literally means the same thing. Not believing in something is the same as claiming it isn't true.
<blockquote>Are you going to prove that everyone knows you have three accounts or are you ready to admit defeat on this one?</blockquote> I already have. Anyone can see I have been using the same name. It's only you who's too stupid to realize.
I'm going to continue the convo further down as there's no more room on this threaed.
<blockquote>I'm referring to the Islamic Sharia law that has everything to do with the quran</blockquote>
Again, killing gays is not mentioned in the Quran, so it really has nothing to do with Islam.
<blockquote>Where is it popular? Which country and which state? as you refuse to provide any evidence</blockquote>
The state of the USA, evangelicals all follow the Old Testament.
<blockquote>Then provide us all with the "scholarly" and "primary sources" that contradicts them and proves them wrong</blockquote>
Burden of proof's on you bud.
<blockquote>Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Koran, Islam's central text, and fatwas - the rulings of Islamic scholars. Sharia literally means "the clear, well-trodden path to water</blockquote>
You're taking things out of context. Sharia is not a state's penal code. Sharia Courts are separate and usually involve religious issues involving divorce, property, visitation rights of children, wills and inheritances. Sharia involves guidance in religious worship and guidance in worldly matters.
<blockquote>Prove to me that was the brightest and the furthest his light was capable of shining</blockquote>Again, what do you mean by "further"? Do you mean brither? Or doy ou mean the pillar of fire thing?
<blcokquote>Show me where I said that was not the fullest extent of his light, I'll wait.</blockquote>Saying you don't believe it's the fullest extent is the same as saying it's not.
<blcokquote>So everyone on this forum knows you have three accounts?</blockquote>Yes because everyone can clearly see I have been using the same name.
<blockquote>Prove to me that he extended his light to its maximum capability in that scene</blockquote>
What do you mean extend? You mean shine brighter? If he did it would probably blind everyone permanently. Theoden still wouldn't be able to see it.
<blockquote>I NEVER CLAIMED HE COULD EXTEND IT FURTHER!!! THAT IS NOT MY PREMISE!!!</blockquote>
Don't play stupid, it clearly is. But if you're backpeddling already, then what is your premise?
<blockquote>Because you are inflating your own opinion</blockquote>
How am I inflating my own opinon? Everyone knows I'm the same guy.
<blockquote>You still haven't proven that he isn't capable of extending the light any further,</blockquote>
The proof is in those scenes. Anyway, even if he could, then Theoden still couldn't see it. Besides, you still haven't proven that he <i>can</i> extend it further. You're the one who made the first claim. The burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim first. Anyway, I'm still not sure what your argument is. When you say "extend" do you mean make the light brighter? Because that wouldn't really do anything. If I live in Colorado and someone shines a bright light in New Mexico I still wouldn't be able to see it. Do you mean for Gandalf to do what Minas Morgul did and launch a pillar of fire into the air? Gandalf only has his staff and I doubt it's capable of doing that. And even then, the pillar of fire from Minas Morgul was only extending a few hundred meters into the air. Theoden still couldn't see it. You lose.
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spout off the same nonsense three times and make it seem like 3 different people believe it.</blockquote>
WHy is that cowardly?
"From a tall building on a clear day, you can see mountains as far away as about 100 miles."
<url>https://pumas.nasa.gov/files/03_25_96_1.pdf</url>
<blockquote>No it isn't you nitwit</blockquote>
Yet it is witnit. I said, as evidenced by the film, it would be the maximum distance. You said that it's not the maximum distance in the form of a question. "How do you know it's the maxiumum" <--- implying that it's not. This isn't even logic 101, this is kindergarten logic. And you're failing at it.
<blockquote>all I did was ask you to back up yours which you have failed to do.</blockquote>
I never made any "claim." I merely described what happens in the movie.
<blockquote>Yes if there was a sign then there'd be a reason to believe that it's even but there isn't, all you see is the jar.</blockquote>
Except in the scenario the guy already put a sign on the jar saying the total number. This man was Peter Jackson.
<blockquote>You are a coward for having multiple accounts.</blockquote>
Why is that being a coward?
<blockquote>It has "everything" to do with the quran and the hadith.</blockquote>
It has nothing to do with the Quran, because it's not mentioned in the Quran. Dingus.
<blockquote>You have provided no evidence except an old passage that is not enforced or applied by the christians and their laws today anywhere.</blockquote>
You have not provided any proof of this. It is a direct passage taken from the Bible and is very popular.
<blcokquote>No citing, no proof, no evidence, and no facts, whereas I provided them all.</blockquote>
No you didn't, you just went on wikipedia and claimed it was proof. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, not to mention most of it was wrong. None of that was scholarly or primary sources.
<blockquote>Islam classically draws no distinction between
religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of
day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues.</blockquote>
You just answered your own question. Sharia Law is not the "law of the land," Sharia courts are a seperate system that mainly deal with divorce, property, visitation rights of children, wills and inheritances. It is not a legal system but a guidance for a way of life. You are misinterpreting it.
<blockquote>I never asserted that wasn't the maximum distance, I didn't believe you when you said it was</blockquote>
That means the same thing dingbat.
<blockquote>Then you are making baseless speculations and assumptions and they do not contribute to this discussion in a positive manner</blockquote>
Yes, yes you are. So far you have failed to provide any evidence or proof of your claims. Unlike me.
<blockquote>There isn't a sign, I never said there was, you are just making stuff up</blockquote>
How can you not make up what was made up to begin with?
<blockquote>FYI having multiple accounts is cowardly and I am pretty sure is a violation of group rules, maybe we should bring a moderator in and get his opinion?????</blockquote>
This has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Stop deflecting.
<blockquote>Please show me where I said that?</blockquote>
You assertained that it's not the maximum distance. Please show me proof of it not being the maximum distance.
<blockquote>but you are claiming it was the maximum distance therefore you have a burden of proof.</blockquote>
I do not have to prove any thing, as I am not making any assertion. I am merely going by what the movie's logic dictates, and that Gandalf can only shine a light a maximum of a few hundred yards at most.
<blockquote>it means that I don't think you can honestly assert that it's even.</blockquote>
Except in this case the jar of coins has a sign on it with the exact number, and it's an even number.
<blockquote>Geez you're dumb</blockquote>
Dumb enough to continually annihilate you.
<blockquote> except an old testament passage that has no bearing today on christianity</blockquote>
Wrong, read Leviticus 20:13
<blockquote> where all those countries clearly punish homosexuality</blockquote>
Again, 1/3 of all countries that outlaw it are Christian. That is just as bad.
<blockquote> there is a list of Islamic countries</blockquote>
Again there is nothing to do with Islam when it’s their own personal prejudices. The Quran makes no mention of it, so it’s not Islamic.
<blockquote> it is the Islamic countries that punish it with the death sentence.</blockquote>
There are no Islamic countries today that carry out legal executions for gays. Anyway, only four of those countries you mentioned have the laws on the books.
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This is off-topic and has nothing to do with our discussion on the topic of killing and death sentences permitted by religions and their laws. </blockquote>
So let me get this straight.... talking about the permission of religions and their laws has nothing to do with religious laws? Okay then, nice deflection.
<blockquote> Outlawed it is one thing, however, applying the death sentence for it is another </blockquote>
Why is it worse? They both practice the same thing. Why is it okay for Christian countries to do it?
<blockquote> which is based on the Quran.</blockquote>
Again, nothing to do with the quran
You just agreed it’s the maximum distance.
After you claimed it wasn’t.
Good day sir.
So you’re fine with it being the maximum distance then. Good.
Also the burden of proof was always on you. You’re the one making the assertion.
How do you know it’s not the maximum distance?
The scene in Fellowship and Return when he uses his staff to emit light.
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<blockquote> It is the Islamic "Sharia Law" which is based on the Quran.</blockquote>
Sharia is not Islamic law. It is just personal interpretation. I can make my own laws up that says cats should be illegal, that doesn’t make it Islamic law.
Your second point had nothing to do with what I was talking about.
<blockquote> Which christian country outlaws it</blockquote>
I don’t answer rhetorical questions. Just know that 1/3 of all countries with harsh punishments for it are Christian. Here’s one for you. Which countries have executed gays in the last year?
<blockquote> You mentioned the old testament law which is not adovacted or approved in the new testament by jesus or any of his followers.</blockquote>
Wrong... Leviticus 20:13.
<blockquote> carries the death penalty or prison sentences.</blockquote>
It’s the same in Christian ones.
<blockquote> The death penalty for homosexual acts is currently a legal punishment</blockquote>
It’s also legal to marry 12 year olds in West Virginia, it doesn’t mean anyone actually does it
<blockquote> It is the islamic countries that have outlawed it</blockquote>
So has very religion. Stop being racist.
The wars in the Middle East are carried out by evangelical Christians who want to preserve the state of Israel. They wage war in the name of Christ (they always say God is on their side) as well as money. Fundie Islamists are not fighting in the name of religion, it’s about politics. They’re a criminal organization.