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If that "some racist grandpa" was responsible for deaths of hundreds of people, then yeah, not paradise.
But, we are not discussing David Duke's policies on Iraq war, is it?
The strategy of the extremists in recent years has been to get into popular discussions, arguing on the supposedly "good side" to make themselves appear rational and appealing to younger people or people not aware of their history or agenda. This strategy involves sneaking into the mainstream for cultural acceptance and then disseminating their hateful ideas bit by bit once again and thereby legitimising it.
"Hey! if I can be right be right on one thing, I can be right on others!" is the fallacy they are going for here.
Ok. Let me explain this in a language you can understand.
Was Hitler right in exterminating the Jews?
Do you think that this question needs to be debated again?
Maybe if you had read the history books you would know that argument was laid to rest in the annals of history as one of the most epic failed ideas. There's nothing new to be discovered or argued there.
The only thing missing from your reply was facts. Rest is all good.
There you go letting your imagination run wild again. Where did you hear of this doomsday scenario? Did you hear it from any of the health officials?
The predictions the health authorities made were based on what was known about the virus at a particular time and that information is dynamic. The predictions are based on a number of inputs and the corresponding outcomes are categorized as worst, normal or ideal (best) case scenarios. All the inputs are live inputs, which means they sometimes change on a daily basis. The most important input factor in the modelling is people. USA has had the worst reaction as far as people (and the leadership) is concerned. Is it any surprising the final results skewed towards the worst case scenario as far as the modelling is concerned?
The claims of over-reporting is propaganda that has originated only from one section of media and politicians and as usual with zero evidence. On the contrary, the number of deaths and cases of infection are under-reported by as much as 50% and it is norm across most nations where the handling of this pandemic has been incompetent and inefficient.
As far as WHO is concerned, it is as political as the CDC, which means it has no teeth. It depends on information reported to it from nation states. It cannot force even the weakest nation to furnish anything that they don't want to. It's not surprising that the countries who had the most inept response to the pandemic is trying to paint WHO as political.
WHO declared coronavirus as a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30th January 2020. The President of USA was in denial till mid-March claiming it was a hoax.
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19
Thanks. It's the same list when I do a tag search on imdb. I don't think it's any of these.
Most developed countries blundered with their initial response. That's when everything went downhill. If people were isolated and quarantined and adequate measures taken to stop the spread of the virus, then the lock-downs could have been handled much better. Instead of the entire country only affected regions would have needed to be locked down.
This extended period of lock down and panic is because of those days of initial blunder. To compare, checkout the results of South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Germany etc. They went in quick with strict measures and managed to isolate the "spreaders" so that it can be handled effectively.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/10/world/coronavirus-history.html
https://i.insider.com/5e84fc4092e1917e855418a1?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp
World population 2020 - 7,794,798,739
World population 1918 - 1927 2,000,000,000
We live in a very different world than a century before. it's a more global economy. So, the mortality of COVID-19 cannot be predicted accurately. For comparison, in 4 decades of my life, I have lived and worked on 3 different continents. My grandfather didn't even venture out of the state where he was born.
Please stop comparing this virus with the flu. It's not the same, not even close even to the worst flu season. The closest comparison would be to malaria. The flu is pretty much common the world over with most countries having different strains of the virus. But, how many times have people worn masks? Did anyone self-isolate or quarantine? Was there a lock-down? Were restaurants closed? Did people start working from home during any of the flu seasons?
So, the total world mortality rate for any give flu season is with the virus being given a free reign. With current world death rates from COVID-19 greater than half a million in just under 5 months and that too with all the lock-downs and travel restrictions and economic disruptions, we cannot even imagine what would happen if the novel coronavirus was given a free reign to infect all 8 billion world population just like a regular flu. It would have been disastrous. And don't forget that we are still in the beginning stages of this epidemic. The virus is expected to be with us till 2021-22. So, the virus still has a lot of damage to do.
Also, people who recover from the flu, they can get back to work. That's not case with this virus. A significant number of people sustain severe chronic issues and lung scarring which will last them for the rest of their life. And this has been observed in healthy people in their twenties too, not just old people.
Nope. Not that one.
This was much earlier in the decade or maybe even earlier.
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“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.”
-Charles Bukowski
Again, as "WHO (809)" said we are in new territory. The previous experience we had in dealing with this kind of epidemic was a century ago. It's safe to assume that none of the people who were involved in the original spanish flu are alive today.
"If there was any doubt that the new coronavirus isn't just "a bad flu," a new paper lays that myth to rest. The study authors found that in the U.S. there were 20 times more deaths per week from COVID-19 than from the flu in the deadliest week of an average influenza season."
https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-deaths-vs-flu-deaths.html
Scientists working on the problem deal with data, but they share their results with politicians who deal with votes. Us humans have a tremendous ability of compartmentalising stuff which don't impact us directly. So, the end result was always going to be an unhappy exercise with politicians relying on the short term memory of people.
https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-AU&gl=AU&ceid=AU%3Aen
Science works on evidence, not proof. Proof is in the realm of mathematics. There's enough evidence to support that wearing masks limit novel coronavirus transmission.
Robert Downey!
The sweet Hereafter
The Princess Bride
Tropic Thunder
The Crossing Guard
Mr. Nobody
We Need to Talk About Kevin
The Conjuring 2
This thread is the reason why it's hard to get a health message out to people and have them follow it.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/425/791057.page
The movie was 1970s or 1980s.
Nope. This blonde was in a black jumpsuit.
Not this one either.