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I completely agree, being gay, and with everything you said, I know MANY men who are like this. Afraid to come out of the closet for fear of social stigma and other reasons. But yet they'll fool around behind their girlfriend's back and have secret relationships with other men. But then sell themselves as straight while in public. There are lots of bisexuals who are fine with staying in the closet for life but it gets in the way with being honest with oneself.
The campfire scene was pretty homoerotic. Not sure about the Bill McKinney and Herbert 'Cowboy' Coward scene though.
Is the book oozing with homosexuality too?
Great summation! I agree with a lot of your viewpoints. I consider this one of the best films ever made.
I absolutely agree that there was some kind of gay attraction between Ed and Lewis. As mentioned before, the campfire scene is so suggestive. He unbuttons his shirt as he is looking at Lewis with such an infatuated expression on his face. That seemed really gay to me.
I don't want a remake—especially one with Channing Tatum.
Channing Tatum is full of crap. There's nothing offensive or controversial—apart from the supernatural suggestibility. He may be thinking of the referencing to "white guy" on Oda Mae's part was somehow suppose to be offensive or stir controversy but it was a different time where racial segregation often left Blacks the most marginalized minorities in New York City. I think that showed how all Blacks in the movie lived in very low-class neighborhoods.
She was wearing Sam's shirts a couple times in the film after he died, if that's what you mean by "neighborhood kid getup."
The director said in the commentary he purposely made Drew's death ambiguous. Bobby and Ed did not know for sure that there were bullet holes in his head or bruises from rocks. If Drew really was shot and they brought him to Aintry, then they'd have to explain the whole story about killing the mountain men.
Bobby prayed prior to being raped, "Deliver us from evil".
It's also a metaphor for the river delivering them to safety.
We don't know how it turned out for Lewis, the only indication was when the doctor said, "He might lose that leg" prior to Ed and Bobby entering the hospital room. So it seems that may have happened if the movie was real.
It was not mentioned that Ed was experienced at climbing but through out the movie he had a propensity for trying to act like and want to be like Lewis—brave, manly, unabashed by the unknown and unafraid of the wilderness. Once Lewis had a broken leg, he had to take on his role.
Well, they waited until night to climb the cliff so no matter where or what side the hillybilly was on, their hope was he wouldn't see him. Secondly, Bobby said "He's right up there, guy must know exactly where we are". Then Ed replies, "Well, if he knows where we are then we sure know where the hell he's going to be, right up there". Third, they really had no choice but to fight. To row away downstream in the daytime (as opposed to night like Bobby suggested) would have been an even huger risk. So they waited until dark to climb the cliff.
No, Bobby told the police while Lewis was being taken in an ambulance with Ed. Bobby spelled out Drew's name for the police officer and the officer asked to be taken to the spot where Drew drowned (where Ed said he drowned in rapids when they were trying to invent the cover story for why Drew didn't make it out with them). Ed knew that would fit with Drew being weighed down by rocks and his intention that he should never be found. The panic about the second canoe being found: Remember when one of the Sheriff's deputies says "You tell me how a canoe can drift UP river". They panicked because it didn't fit with where they said Drew drowned which was way DOWN river.
I used to think no but the more I watch this movie, the more I think the filmmakers left it somewhat ambiguous (much like Drew's death and the man on the cliff's identity). One thing that wouldn't make sense though is the Griner bros driving those cars to Orie per the deal but doing so would connect them to Ed and his friends intended revenge whether that be just raping them or killing them or both.
Isn't that kind of what Sheriff was pondering at the end, if that third man with the Griner brothers had something to do with Drew's death/disappearance? At that moment, Ed and Bobby look at each other as if wondering if they were followed?
One thing is for sure, the third man that hopped into the Griner bros truck with a gun similar to the kind the toothless man had was NOT the toothless man himself. If you pause right around the time "It ain't nothing but the biggest river in the state" you can see a close-up of this man's face and while however unwelcoming the features were, it was not the face of the toothless man. Then once they push-off in their canoes and Drew makes a crack about the way the hillybilly's talked, the Griner bros and that third man look like they're thinking, "ha well we will show them!" as they walk away.
I just think it's weird the Griner brother's would have followed through with the vehicles being driven to Aintry when they could have either sold it or given it away—distancing themselves from even meeting these 4 city boys. Maybe someone who read the book can chirp in.
As someone said in another post about this, the men didn't seem to think there was four city boys total.
Definitely creepy to think they were being followed.
I'm surprised no one brought up the mountain man's statement about "you look just like a hog" and "I think we got a sow instead of a boar" giving a clear indication these guys fuck anything. I seriously don't think either of them were gay but in such an isolated area, females (or at least females you aren't related too or bored in bed with) are quite rare and they wanted to humiliate them or get even for intruding on their territory. But also think back to the gas station and the other imbreds who were deformed and lacked social skills, etc same principle with the mountain men.