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This is wrong, did you get that from clownfish?
Myspace and livejournal were not left wing echo chambers. In fact back then people didn't have politics on their minds like they do now. People were more mature. Those sites were used to build your profile and share pics/blogs. It was easy to make friends because people weren't so egotistical. So it was common to have friends lists with people from all walks. People didn't define themselves or let their thought process be lead by politics. There were extremes on both sides but they were the exception not the rule.
As to what brought down myspace? The owners changed the layout, got rid of customization features that made it a fun open ended site that allowed the free flow of communication. The short and narrow sighted people in charge thought it better to take away features and turn it into a music platform.
As for livejournal it teetered out, gave way to other sites. It was just a place of people... journaling.
Tumblr has turned into a cesspool/attractor for "woke", that is true. To say other social media sites were like that or that's why people stopped using them is revisionist hyperbole. Channels like clownfish like to gossip about "woke" culture and would have nothing to offer if not.
This bizarre focus on seeing the "woke" in everything is as weird as the "woke" looking for offense and oppression in everything. Jung would say humanity is possessed and in love with its shadow. What would the left/right do without their favorite scapegoats to sneer down at/project that shadow on to and shadowbox with? Things are only gonna get worse as people become more galvanized in tribalism.
Twitter most represents this devolved egotism with short, shallow, sensationalist, blurbs. Far from myspace where people made long blogs with pics/music/custom code. All social media is entraining but modern social media is trash. Political obsession is a symptom of the devolution/limiting of human consciousness.
I wouldn't even call it garbage because if someone likes it they like it but yeah I have strong feelings of not liking it. I couldn't get behind the lead at all. Where as I thought all the characters shined in Predator. Meh the Predator franchise doesn't have many good sequels. At this point I'm happy with the first two movies.
Can you link to that thread you made? I think I saw it before but can't find it. I've been watching older movies to look for goodies I may have missed but anything new and genuinely good is cool too.
Again why go tit for tat? I've made plenty of replies saying why I don't like the movie and am not a bigot. Seems reasonable to spell out the reasons with my own thread.
The majority of my post isn't about other peoples posts. It's about the reasons I don't like the movie. Am I allowed to post those or do I have to piggyback on other posts?
At least the majority of my post isn't complaining. It's what I didn't like about the movie. I even gave them a concession with admitting there are reasons people might like it and how I'm not in favor of trollish critiques.
It's easier to make one thread than to go tit for tat in others explaining why people who don't like it aren't all bigots.
That's a good list. It reminds me that most old horror movies had female protagonists. Mostly women kicking butt and as the lone survivors. Mostly likable characters too.
There's no reason the lead in prey had to be so selfish and the secondary characters terrible people.
See you're on to something. That would make it more of an ensemble movie like the good Predator movies are.
All the characters could be written as likable. Even the French could be. Make them enemies at first until they all realize they have a common enemy and have to work together to survive.
The movie could still have the teenage girl as the survivor who finally defeats the predator. It would be a more enjoyable and satisfying journey overall.
What about all the threads with defenders of the movie insulting anyone who dislikes it? Saying they're this or that horrible kind of person?
It goes both ways. Both sides give as good as they get and there's always trolls causing provocation whether they honestly believe in politics or not. If you're calling for censorship of free speech on here I hope you're prepared for both sides of the political fence to be censored.
This is what I'm talking about. The lead is a self serving narcissist who puts everyone else in harm's way and doesn't even appreciate their sacrifices for her.
The movie could have done the teenage hero thing, male or female, and the old frontier native American setting... it could have had its cake and eaten it if it was better written.
Instead of making all the secondary characters horrible so we are manipulated to have sympathy for the lead, why not make them likable? Why not have it so she's ALLOWED to go hunting but on the trip her tribesmen get attacked by the predator. Then she has to take on the predator alone and avenge them. Dutch did it for his team, show her strength of spirit and love for her kin by doing it for her entire tribe.
I could give a care if it's a female lead. Saying that all criticism is about that is a deflection from the fact that the lead is a narcissist who would be as ugly as a male. Why does there have to be so much animosity and narcissism in the movie? Did the people who made it have an ax to grind? Why did they have to use a Predator movie to crap all that narcissism on? It makes the humans more vile than the predator. I was hoping that he would win. The brother was ok, showed care for his sister but look where that got him.
Can you imagine Naru leading Dutch's team? She would tie them up in their sleep then leave them for the predator and go off to do her own selfish thing.
If she saw the cops on the ground at the beginning of Predator 2 she wouldn't drive into enemy fire. She would be like "Whatever. I have better things to do so don't bother me!"
The credits are great. They keep the energy and fun going to the very end. Not every movie can pull off a curtain call but it does. I wish I could have seen it in a theater.
It's like a callback to silver screen WW2 movies and gutsy heroes. Sure all their masculinity means little against the Predator so in a way it subverts the old school heroic trope. It still shows a lot of love for it at the same time and ends on a great note. Literally with the music.
It's a believable world. You can tell it was made from a place of inspiration not agenda or check boxes. It's perfectly possible to have action and heart in the same movie. Heart in the sense that it seems to have been made with a lot of love. A lot of care. In a grueling environment that shows through in the scenery and performances. It wasn't an easy set out in the jungle from what the "making of" videos tell us.
I like the camaraderie between the characters most. Dutch and his men are all likable. All great characters themselves but work together well. There's no long expositions but you get a sense they've been on a lot of missions and have bonded through them.
Gotta wonder if the people making these movies which are touted for "representation" are not the bigots because even a bad fan fiction writer could write a more likable lead character. I wouldn't like her if she was a male. If Arnold played the same character it would be as bad.
By who? There's a lot of reviews that have valid criticisms not about politics. Sure there are trollish reviews and people who focus on "woke". I won't entertain the idea that they're the majority. There's a lot of 10* reviews that seem like people doing it out of spite against the haters.
I didn't turn anything into a war. I called out the OP for generalizing everyone who doesn't like the movie. The "if you don't like it you're anti-woke" crowd is going wild over it. It's a lot of hostility in defense of a movie that's not great. The standard for most Predator sequels is so bad people are celebrating it.
So because the character in Prey isn't "woke", we can't critique them?
Who is "you people"? Generalizing? I thought only hateful conservatives did that?
Also, never said I hate it. Liking or hating or doing anything out of spite is a terrible motivation. That kind of toxicity isn't healthy.
You're so full of piss and vinegar you're projecting and insulting people who are trying to be civil with you.
Just because you've been attacked before doesn't give you an excuse to attack others. If you have an axe to grind at least go for the people who are more in line with the strawman you obviously want to punch on.
It's weird. When someone is being like that I can't tell if they're trolling or serious.
It's like trying to be decent and rational with someone who wants to insult you. You're another object for them to shadowbox their ire against. They go on about their feelings and opinion being important but could care less about yours. You're reduced to a strawman/the enemy/other side in their mind.
It makes me wonder "Is this person trolling or have they been so hurt by life that they have such a combative outlook?"
Attacking people is a horrible way to get them to see one's one side/opinion. It's a good way to polarize people against you, that's about it.
I'm beginning to wonder if people actually like this movie as much as it's being hyped or if some of them are praising it out of spite toward the strawman "anti-woke" crowd.
Not to say there aren't people who hate it out of spite for the other side.
It's like "You can't have an opinion unless it fits this political template of lover/hater"
Excuse for what? What are you on about? Why are you so confrontational? It's like you want to start a fight over, what?
Again talk to Cameron. Hudson is built up that way, it's his characterization to be the arrogant braggart who panics under pressure. Again like Gorman he also gets a good arc and redeems himself.
Are you trying to say that Ripley is unrealistic? Male or female Ripley is a great character with great writing who believably stands on her own.
So people who have valid non political criticism don't count?
Also what do you mean you don't understand? It's gotten ridiculous at this point where every new movie/show that is criticized gets the "You don't like it because you're racist/sexist/etc" defense.
It's a low effort strawman used to avoid honest criticism. If all you want to do is shut down honest discussion then say so. Don't try to hide behind a strawman argument as if you're being virtuous.
How is it not obvious that conservatives are the acceptable group to hate? I'm not political but it's disturbing that so much mindless strawman hate gets thrown around.
Cameron would disagree, again the character was created to be the newbie who freezes up under pressure.
The Marines also aren't portrayed as the most professional. They're talked up to be the baddest fighters ever but when we see them they're not so perfect. It's obvious they never faced something like the xeno. Which again, ask Cameron. It's an analogy to Vietnam era American arrogance facing something new and unknown in the jungle. Gorman is a metaphor for the incompetent leadership of that era. Despite his flaws however he gets a good arc and steps up at the end.
Also who are you insulting? So what if you own the blu ray? Are you trolling or do you want to communicate with childish insults?