It's woke nonsense...
Overall it's not that bad, for a "predator" movie at least...
I give it a 4.5/10 ⭐
Doesn't it have to be preachy or have a message to be woke? This simply had a non-white, female lead. Also the female lead used guile and cunning rather than strength which is more realistic.
Maybe this will pave the way for a female predator to come down next. That could be interesting ;)
She was strong enough to beat her male counterpart, strong enough to beat the men who captured her brother and strong enough to go one on one with the predator
The only trap she laid was dependent on the pure stupidity of the predator..
Her only weakness is being oppressed
It's not hyper woke but it's still woke
You do know that men like John Wick can't actually clear out an entire room of armed opponents?
Like, action movies with male heroes are also super unrealistic
It seems that now women simply CAN'T do anything unrealistic in action movies or it's "woke", but men can still do ridiculous choreographed stunts and it's just normal storytelling
John wick is a retired assassin, the best in his field, by the end he was basically half dead
Naru is a wanna be hunter with next to zero experience, good at everything and defeats everyone and everything and comes out virtually unscathed
characterization is the problem, not gender
She isn't good at everything. Most of the first half of the movie is about how bad she sucks at hunting. She almost dies several times and is only saved due to the intervention of men
You really wanna compare the realism of John Wick, who has killed hundreds of people across 3 movies, against that girl who killed less than 10 humans and one predator?
"Assassins" in real life can't do what John Wick does. Nobody can, it's a silly fantasy just like this movie
I said "characterization" not realism.
The only time we see her struggling to hunt is when she tried to hunt a deer with an axe, she tied a rope to the axe and boom, problem solved.
''saved due to the intervention of men'', LoL
She tracked the cougar and tried to kill it. That's hunting. Same with the bear. She went out of her way to try to kill it. You're being dishonest
shareNo, it's real life.
Find me a woman who can beat up three men at once like this guy:
https://youtu.be/KCFNvsjMs2Y
Find me a woman who can beat up multiple guys like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4S8t3HCXHI
Find me a woman who knockout two armed thugs like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUwa85zRQzI
They don't have to be John Wick to be badasses, but there isn't ONE video on the entire internet of a woman being able to manhandle guys the way those guys in the videos above did.
So no, male action heroes aren't entirely unrealistic. But female action heroes are.
Those are street fights lol. Untrained bums with bad tempers are not the same thing as trained killers with access to machine guns and explosives
I seriously cannot believe that an adult believes that the choreographed fights in Action movies are possible 😭
Those are street fights lol. Untrained bums with bad tempers are not the same thing as trained killers with access to machine guns and explosives
That's the whole point.
An average untrained guy can still beat up multiple untrained bums. There isn't one woman who can, and you couldn't even find a well-trained martial arts chick capable of beating up two untrained bums at once. I can find guys trained and untrained fighting multiple opponents at once.
John Wick is a step above ALL of that -- as you explained, he's a trained killer. So if untrained bums can beat up multiple guys at once, what would you expect from a guy like John Wick in real life?
This ties back into my previous comment. Men don't have to be John Wick to fight off two, three, four, or five guys at once. They just have to have balls of steel and a willingness to crack skulls. share
Get off this board. You have trash taste in cinema.
shareBut he mows down scores of people with just pistols and no body armor. No human being in the history of humanity, no matter how skilled or badass, could ever pull that off. The only people who have body counts that high have used missiles and bombs
The bad guys could simply create a perimeter around the buildings he occupies and use chemicals, gas, fire, explosives, to flush him out
John Wick movies are extremely silly fantasies. And you can easily say the same thing about other franchises like Mission:Impossible or James Bond
The stunts in these movies are not just brawls against 3 or 4 bums. It's always a double digit number of bad guys
How does a grown adult function in the real world thinking that this shit is remotely plausible 😭😭😭
But he mows down scores of people with just pistols and no body armor. No human being in the history of humanity, no matter how skilled or badass, could ever pull that off.
Have you not watched the movies? His entire suit IS body armor, and it's one of the first things he equips when he goes out to get revenge.
The bad guys could simply create a perimeter around the buildings he occupies and use chemicals, gas, fire, explosives, to flush him out
None of that has anything to do with normal guys fighting scores of other dudes.
The stunts in these movies are not just brawls against 3 or 4 bums. It's always a double digit number of bad guys
You mean like when this guy chased off a dozen or so guys after they all ganged up on him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbAsF2fv2jA
Or this guy fighting a dozen or so (they say 30) and knocking the guys out and not even being knocked down by these clowns?
https://youtu.be/WjtH0_faSyc
Or this guy who fought five guys at once and was knocking them out until the police showed up?
https://youtu.be/WKxJlQ31jy8
How does a grown adult function in the real world thinking that this shit is remotely plausible 😭😭😭
Well, as stated, average dudes (not women) can knockout multiple guys in 1 vs 2, 1 vs 5, and 1 vs a dozen situations. Someone who would be as trained and skilled as John Wick could easily dispatch just as many guys, which is what makes the movies somewhat plausible based on REAL LIFE situations of guys taking on multiple opponents. But it's real rich coming from someone defending a 90lbs chick fighting a 8 ft 500 lbs space alien. share
Bruh thinks John Wick is real! 😭😭😭
shareJohn Wick may not be... but Donnie Yen sure is... and he fought more guys at once in REAL life than John Wick, and he hospitalized them with his fists. That's something even John Wick hasn't done... yet:
https://worldofbuzz.com/donnie-yen-sends-eight-men-hospital-harassing-girlfriend/
You still haven't linked me to any video footage of a woman beating up multiple men, though? What happened? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's like saying " men can bench press 3 or 4 times what women can, so I can believe that a man could bench press an elephant, but if a woman does it it's woke"
I can't take you seriously as an adult if you don't see how stupid that is 😬😬😬
Then why don't you link him some videos of a woman beating up 3 or 4 men and end the arguement.
Punching power of men on average is 130% stronger than woman. That is nothing to scoff at.
Why don't you post a video of a man fighting off guys wielding machine guns and riding motorcycles while he's on a horse?
John Wick is silly fantasy. Scrawny drunk idiots getting beat up outside bars doesn't prove that John Wick is realistic
You are holding women to real world standards while NOT holding men to those same standards
130% is less than 2.5. My example of the 3 or 4x stronger was more generous than that
I don't have to do anything. This is not my discussion.
You made the statements. Burden of proof is no you.
130% is less than 2.5
2.5? In other words more than twice as strong as woman.
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You're right, it's not your discussion. You inserted yourself into it after I made the other guy quit 😬
And yes, I'm not claiming that men aren't stronger than women. I'm claiming that that extra strength isn't enough to do the stupid shit you see in Action movies
I'm amazed this simple concept is so hard for you to grasp. There is some serious denial going in in the minds of John Wick fans 😭
You inserted yourself into it after I made the other guy quit 😬
How? because he hasn't replied. Odd thing to say. MAybe he doesn;t want to. Ohh and I can "insert" myself into any conversation I choose and see fit. I don't need you permission to do this. Ego much.
And yes, I'm not claiming that men aren't stronger than women. I'm claiming that that extra strength isn't enough to do the stupid shit you see in Action movies
No, being highly trained and twice as strong as woman will have no advatages at all. Wow
You still didn't disprove him with any footage of woman doing the same as men in a real world situation as he showed you. That would have neded the conversation but you didn't. Means you can't or won't. Which is it.
If I don't reply will you claim you chased me off as well? You are odd one. share
I haven't actually tried to look up women street fighting guys, if that's what you're asking. It would be stupid, I'm not trying to end the argument I'm actually trying to actually make coherent points
A guy beating up other guys outside of the club iis an incoherent point. I watch a lot of MMA. No amount of training could turn any human into John Wick.
You guys are trying to argue that because men are stronger then women in re al life that they deserve arte blanche to do the most ridicul unrealistic shit you can imagine. But if a woman does something similar it becomes political
2 or 3x strength + training isn't enough to create John Wick. And if it is, then you should accept that a girl John Wick with training could do 1/3 as much stupid shit as John Wick
You guys are trying to argue that because men are stronger then women in re al life that they deserve arte blanche to do the most ridicul unrealistic shit you can imagine. But if a woman does something similar it becomes political
All the videos I posted are real men beating up other men.
You failed to post ONE video of a woman beating up two men at a time like in the movies. Why? because it doesn't exist. It's an unrealistic fantasy.
As I showcased, Donnie Yen was able to beat up EIGHT men at once and hospitalized them with his bare hands. As I said, he's actually BETTER than John Wick because even John Wick has never fought eight guys unarmed at once.
Donnie Yen isn't some fictional character or an unrealistic fantasy. He's real life, just like all the videos I posted.
Now it's your turn... show us these real women who can beat up multiple men at the same time like in the movies? share
Your videos prove nothing. The Predator is not a real creature. Therefore even someone like Donnie Yen would not be able to beat the Predator in a fight.
Can Donnie Yen take the amount of Damage John Wick does and still keep going? No he can not. Show me a video of a guy taking on 20 people at once. You know like how you see in martial arts movies.
You've committed the pushing the goal post fallacy.
I've already proven men can fight multiple men at once, up to EIGHT (or in the one case, 30). Thus, proving that action heroes are heightened depictions of reality.
The burden of proof is on YOU to provide at least ONE credible piece of video evidence of a woman fighting two men at once and at least holding her own.
You nor the other poster have been able to do so up to this point.
I can, however, show you video footage of multiple police women LOSING to just one man, though:
Like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YV5g23fAm8
And here:
https://youtu.be/5DMH-K_tVbc
And here's one for good measure:
https://twitter.com/Matysek88/status/1454150535255367682
I have never moved any goal post. First I never made a claim that women were as physically strong as men. No one is denying that on average men are physically stronger. In order for me to have moved the goal post I would have to have set a goal and you met it and I denied it. This never happened.
You have proven that it is possible. However it is not like it is in the movies. Do you have video of Donnie Yen facing 8 guys at once or just an article? No one can face 20 people at once with no weapon that is highly unlikely no matter how trained you are. You also had to concede that no one can take the amount of damage our action heroes do and keep going. This is also a part of escapist fantasy.
I have no burden of proof since I never made the claim women are the same as men. That you is you attempting to place words in my mouth because of an insecurity on your end. Cite where I said women can do the same things physically as men. Happy hunting, comb through my entire post history and you will not see it.
So I take it you dislike Ellen Ripley then? I mean after all she was able to drive the machine better than the marine did in the film Aliens. This hurt your ego?
shareDid you not pay attention to the fact that Ripley worked for a corporation as part of a maintenance and engineering crew? She was literally trained to do that kind of stuff.
shareMore so than a marine? She did not freeze up where as the Marine did. Why did the marine freeze up in fear and she managed to show him up by taking control? By your logic that was woke also. Marines are trained for violent situations yet she acted better than him.
shareHuh? You're all over the place. You're talking about Ripley operating machinery, which is fine because as I mentioned she was trained to do that. Now you're talking about her not freezing up and a marine freezing up... are you talking about the Lt., who didn't know what was going on and panicked? Because yes.... things like that do happen in real life where people do panic. Many of the others didn't panic, though, save for Hudson, and reasonably so.
shareI am talking about her not freezing up like the marine did. The marine was also trained to operate it. He also as a marine has far more training for life threatening situations. Yet Ripley operated better and didn't panic like him. That's woke according to your logic. Men are stronger than women and he had far more training.
shareYet Ripley operated better and didn't panic like him
What machinery did she operate better than the marines?
What machinery did she operate better than the marines in which they panicked and she didn't?
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Um did you watch the film? He panicked and froze up so she took control of the vehicle. Marines were trained for life and death situations like that. She was not.
shareDo you mean Gorman? The one Marine who is portrayed from the start as incompetent and his own men make fun of him? It's established that he is a fresh Lt with little real world experience. His purpose is to freeze up! Again, that is properly established.
He doesn't seem like he'd be able to use any machinery in that universe other than his comfy chair and screens even in a non panic situation. With Ripley it's established that she can work the "machines" in said universe. She's a blue collar worker with experience. Oh and she's faced a xeno before which is why she's on the mission. It's got nothing to do with anything but good character development that she steps up to the plate when the newbie Lt freezes.
See even so your point holds no weight. Hudson panics and has to be calmed down by Ripley. He has experience yet is still bested by Ripley. Any excuse for that one?
shareAgain talk to Cameron. Hudson is built up that way, it's his characterization to be the arrogant braggart who panics under pressure. Again like Gorman he also gets a good arc and redeems himself.
Are you trying to say that Ripley is unrealistic? Male or female Ripley is a great character with great writing who believably stands on her own.
Nope I'm asking you. You had no excuse.
Nope I love Ripley she is my favorite female hero but anti female people can't take strong women characters.
Excuse for what? What are you on about? Why are you so confrontational? It's like you want to start a fight over, what?
shareLook below I am having the same issue.
It is as if he is manufacturing and issue that isn't there
I've been harassed by people like you for having an opinion that doesn't coincide with yours. I'm s bit trigger happy. If it isn't a straight, white masculine male the bitching will proceed.
shareLike me?
Please quote me where i have harrassed you. You have once again generalised someone due to them not agreeing with you. Please go for it. Quote me where I have personally harrassed you.
for having an opinion that doesn't coincide with yours.
Funny how it is you that insulted me but now you want to play the victim. Always funny how that happens.
If it isn't a straight, white masculine male the bitching will proceed.
You are the one bitching. I and the poster above are defending Ripley. Funny how once again the tolerant become the intolerant once someone disagrees. share
I never said you did. People with your same talking points have insulted me tike and time again. Therefore I limo you all together. Wrong maybe but I like to strike before you guys get the opportunity.
Ripley is my favorite female hero. I'm just pointing out how the same things in Prey people are complaining about exist in Aliens. Is something woke because it's bad abd suddenly if it's good it's not woke? Dumb logic from you.
I've been harassed by people like you
Yes you did
People with your same talking points
People who disagree with you and then you insult and then play victim. Those people. Boohoo you someone on the internet hsaid nasty words to you. So what. Grow up.
Therefore I limo you all together
Ok. That is your issue no one elses.
Wrong maybe but I like to strike before you guys get the opportunity.
What opportunity. It's called a discussion. It isn't a race. And again with the "you guys". YOu already have a bias before anything begins no matter what anyone says. You have issues you really do.
I'm just pointing out how the same things in Prey people are complaining about exist in Aliens
No they don't. Does Ripley go against Gender norms. No. The whole story of aliens is about motherhood. The Alien and Ripley protecting there young. Nothing like Prey. In Prey she gets everyone killed for her own selfishness and the gets promoted. Not even remotely the same.
Is something woke because it's bad abd suddenly if it's good it's not woke?
How can something that is bad then be good. I never said anything about being bad and then becoming good. So not my logic. No. I said she is well written and Prey isn't. That is the only difference. Ripley was written to be a good character. The lass in Prey was written to be a bloke. That is what you cannot see and will never see. share
Nope never did. So you are a liar also.
Never played victim I said I can't stand people with your talking points.
Yep and I never said otherwise.
Indian have issues we can agree on that. My issue is with bigoted idiots.
Yeah she does especially at the time she came out. A character can be selfish but still compelling.
Prey got good reception it doesn't need your stamp of approval. You are not the sole authority on what determines a good film.
I have just read your other comment which has been reported for threats and no i'm not a liar because you can see the quotes.
I suggest you get therapy. You have serious trust and anger issues. You don't like being corrected. You can't handle anyone who disagrees with you.
From this moment on I will not reply to anything you say but everytime you say something on here i will quote your threats so everyone can see how you really are.
Your lies are noted and dismissed.
shareDidn't lie you read the quote "you people" aimed at me and people like me so again how can I lie, you said. You literally said it.
But you did threaten me and i will keep that forever.
So have at it. Think I will make it a permanent part of every comment I ever put from now on so people can always see.
This is what you get when you disagree with himshare
[–] moviefanatic505 (3769) 22 minutes ago
Go get punched out it would help you out.
Anything else you want to say before I place you on ignore?
shareLiterally no skin of my back. You are the douchebag. Play victim all you want but you are the one in the worng in every single regard and anyone who reads this will see.
So crack on if it makes you happy
This is what you get when you dare disagree with them. Be warnedshare
[–] moviefanatic505 (3769) 22 minutes ago
Go get punched out it would help you out.
It's weird. When someone is being like that I can't tell if they're trolling or serious.
It's like trying to be decent and rational with someone who wants to insult you. You're another object for them to shadowbox their ire against. They go on about their feelings and opinion being important but could care less about yours. You're reduced to a strawman/the enemy/other side in their mind.
It makes me wonder "Is this person trolling or have they been so hurt by life that they have such a combative outlook?"
Attacking people is a horrible way to get them to see one's one side/opinion. It's a good way to polarize people against you, that's about it.
Hence why you will always see me call it out
shareI'm tired of people critiquing a film and acting as if a tough female has never existed. The character in Prey was not a Mary Sue. Yet you people still complain. Honestly the fact that you guys hate it makes me love it even more.
shareI'm tired of people critiquing a film and acting as if a tough female has never existed.
So a female character is above reproach now. Ermmmm no.
The character in Prey was not a Mary Sue
4 French Trappers going hand to hand say otherwise.
Yet you people still complain
And there is the generalisation again. "you people". You have problems, no one else.
Honestly the fact that you guys hate it makes me love it even more.
Yes because woman don't complain about anything. There are many prominent female youtubers and bloggers who call out this nonsense as well but when it comes to them there voices are ignored by people like yourself who push the same tired narrative again and again. You are a joke. You really are.
Poeple can complain and criticise anyone they want for what ever reason they want. You and noone else is the arbitar of what someone can critque. Get over yourself. share
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Yet you people still complain
Yes you did. You peopel. So people like me. I'm a man so again yes you did. See what happens when you generalise.
Rey isn't a good character regardless of sex
For once we agree on something but she was written for a woman and so is Mary Sue.
I generalize since your camp does.
What camp. Whose camp am I in. I haven't insulted you. I have made no derogatory claims or anything close. What are you on about. You are so antagonistic it is truely scary. If you are like this in real life. God help peopel arounf you.
Oh don't worry the only thing you will produce in life is crap in a toilet
And the insults continue but wants to play victim.
Nothing is above criticism including bigoted behavior.
Quote me where I have said anything bigoted. Only negativity is coming from you. Once again the tolerant being the most intolerant.
I don't believe all critiques are genuine but a close for racism or sexist thoughts
That is because of your own bias no on elses.
Go get punched out it would help you out.
And we finally get to the threats now you have run out of original thoughts. All because someone dared to disagree with you. share
So because the character in Prey isn't "woke", we can't critique them?
Who is "you people"? Generalizing? I thought only hateful conservatives did that?
Also, never said I hate it. Liking or hating or doing anything out of spite is a terrible motivation. That kind of toxicity isn't healthy.
You're so full of piss and vinegar you're projecting and insulting people who are trying to be civil with you.
Just because you've been attacked before doesn't give you an excuse to attack others. If you have an axe to grind at least go for the people who are more in line with the strawman you obviously want to punch on.
That's just it people will claim it to be woke at the drop of a hat. It's woke if it's strong female hero.
I fight fire with fire. They generalized to me therefore i play that way also.
Perhaps you are right. I'm just pissed off at people on here. I respect you being civil.
He panicked and froze up so she took control of the vehicle
What has driving the APC have to do with commanding marines in a situation no one was trained or prepared for. You are trying to make points that don't exist
Marines were trained for life and death situations like that. She was not.
Ripley was inside the APC she wasn't in combat. What is your point.
You ask me if I have watched it but by your repsonse there is no possible way you have seen it. share
Marines train for life and death situations. The only thing different about this threat is they have never faced the Alien. Either way though marines have far more training for life and death situations than Ripley does. He froze up and wouldn't even speak to them. Ripley instructed him to say something. How likely is this?
She also handles herself in combat rather well also. I own the blu ray you are just one of those idiots who picks and chooses.
Cameron would disagree, again the character was created to be the newbie who freezes up under pressure.
The Marines also aren't portrayed as the most professional. They're talked up to be the baddest fighters ever but when we see them they're not so perfect. It's obvious they never faced something like the xeno. Which again, ask Cameron. It's an analogy to Vietnam era American arrogance facing something new and unknown in the jungle. Gorman is a metaphor for the incompetent leadership of that era. Despite his flaws however he gets a good arc and steps up at the end.
Also who are you insulting? So what if you own the blu ray? Are you trolling or do you want to communicate with childish insults?
Marines train for life and death situations
Nothing to do the fucntion and driving of an APC. So whats your point. Ripley was not in combat.
Your original point wa about machinery. So far you haven't proved anything. Bishop drove the APC originally.
The only thing different about this threat is they have never faced the Alien
Oh well thats ok then. Oh wait. How silly. Please prey tell military tactician what training can you do to fight aliens you have never seen of or know anything about and have zero knowledge on. The couldn't even see them moving. They didn't show up on visual tech, they just knew somehting was moving. So what training prepares you for that or are you suggesting training will prepapre you for anything. Utter nonsense.
He froze up and wouldn't even speak to them
Yes you keep repeating this. Gorman didn't drive the APC. What has driving an APC got to do with combat. Burke didn't panic either, why have you not mentioned him
She also handles herself in combat rather well also
When? The only time she fights them is at the end when she has the other marines also fighting them. She doesn't do it solo. When she rescues newt the tension is palpable. She would also have been scared and still done it because her maternal instinct to protect newt had overtaken. Something modern female characters have little of as they just write them as male clones.
I own the blu rat
Good for you. Doesn't make your point true though. Oh I saw it in the cinema when it was released so by your logic that trumps your Blu Ray.
You are making an issue where an issue deosn't exist. You want people to go "yes she would be seen as woke" or something similar but it won't for one reason. She is well written and you care for her not like the Mary Sues of today who you couldn't give a crap about. share
Wrong that has to do with operating equipment as well.
No it wasn't just about machinery it was the fact that a woman was showing up marines. The anti-sjw crowd can't stand the thought of a strong female character. They forget Ripley existed way back then. Point is a woman can be a good character and show up make characters. This is not new.
That's what I said idiot. They hadn't faced the Alien before. Ripley had faced them therefore she had somewhat of an idea about the Alien. However everywhere else a marine is more experienced in combat in every aspect.
She was by herself when facing the queen so nope wrong. No that is just the angle Cameron took. Adrenaline can make anybody no matter their sex do amazing things.
No wait is she not woke simply because she is well written? That's dumb logic so it's only woke if it's bad. You have trash taste in cinema.
No it wasn't just about machinery it was the fact that a woman was showing up marines
She didn't show anyone up. No one. Think you need to learn what certain words mean. When Gorman wouldn't call for the evacuation she took control. That isn't showing anyone up. Really. Is that all you have.
The anti-sjw crowd can't stand the thought of a strong female character.
No. People like you who tell them they are sexist keep telling them that. If they hated female characters then Ripley wouldn't be popular. Her existence and popularity negates that arguement. Poeple dislike Mary Sues and badly written and boring characters that don't earn anything and are just great at everything. Ripley does not fall into that category no matter how many times you want to repeat it.
She was by herself when facing the queen so nope wrong
I never said anything about that moment. I would have presumed when I mentioned Newt that was a given but i forget who i'm speaking to.
No wait is she not woke simply because she is well written
And this is what you will never get or understand. No she isn't and yes it is because she is well written. She has failures. She is scared. She can't immediately do everything and is great at everything unlike say Rey. She has weaknesses. You will never understand a character like her if you think Rey is a strong female character which she isn't.
That's what I said idiot
And this is where the converation ends. You are resorting to insults because you don't like being corrected. You don't want a discussion. You want people to agree with you in your own little echo chamber.
So have a nice day share
Your concession is noted. I'm done being nice to people like you. Your education was free today.
shareYour concession is noted
I haven't conceded anything. I just won't converse with people who insult me because they don;t like the reply.
I'm done being nice to people like you
Peopel like me? HUh what could that possibly mean. Are you now showing yourself up for the real inolrant person you are. Me thinks so. I know how dare someone disagree with you. Oh the horror. What absolute arrogance.
Your education was free today.
You haven't educated me or anyone else as you are not right. What a narcissist you are. share
"The only trap she laid was dependent on the pure stupidity of the predator."
Yup, he apparently doesn't know how his own weapon functions.