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That's how advertising works, having a transgender person will make transgender people more likely to buy it. Even if they actually did want the world to become transgender, I highly doubt they'd actually try to send that message, all they get paid to do is try to make as many people as possible buy their beer.
I still don't see what reproduction has to do with it. I suppose maybe you could argue that there is a need, in the same way there is a need for everything in movies. Every frame, no matter how insignificant, is part of storytelling. There's no reason homosexuality is more or less important than anything else, but the pushback encourages filmmakers to limit their creativity for trivial reasons.
Would you say the same about holocaust jokes? I'd argue they're much more offensive, but comedy by definition is always offensive, since it's always making fun of something. I'm sure those assassination attempts still would've happened if comedians didn't make those jokes, that's basically like saying video games make people violent.
They probably used a transgender person to encourage transgender people to buy the beer. I highly doubt they actually care about anything other than selling beer, I highly doubt their goal was to promote transgenderism. Maybe it was, but since there's no evidence, assuming it was sounds like a conspiracy theory.
There are others ways gay people can have kids, such as surrogacy. I never said there's a "need" to put homosexuality in kids stuff, there isn't really a need to do anything, I just don't see what harm it would do.
I think you can criticise jokes simply for not being funny, but I don't think any jokes should be criticised for being harmful. Like with the transgenderism thing, there's no evidence that the jokes are part of some attempt to encourage someone to assassinate Trump, and making people afraid to tell the wrong types of jokes sets a very bad precedent.
I know I'm pretty much saying what I've already said, I don't know how else to say it, but I really don't see how the ad was celebrating transgenderism, it was just a transgender person talking about beer. If it was a cis schizophrenic person, would you say that encourages people to be schizophrenic? Are people with mental illnesses not supposed to do anything, at risk of encouraging their mental illness?
I don't see why most people being straight makes a difference, and there are ways gay people can have kids, I don't see what difference that makes either anyway. I really don't see why kids knowing about them is a problem, and even if it was, they can see can people kissing whenever they go outside.
OK maybe some of the jokes about Trump are a little more mean-spirited, but again, nothing should be nothing should be off-limits in comedy. So many comedians joke about things like the holocaust, I don't see how that's less mean-spirited.
Well I love dark humour, and I think no jokes should be condemned. Your factors are very subjective. A family member of the man who was killed in the Trump assassination attempt would find a joke about that much more offensive than a holocaust joke, but a holocaust victim would feel the complete opposite.
I think mockery is an intention, you can't know for sure the intentions unless you read their minds. But even if it is mockery, unless we have a different definition of it, I don't see anything wrong with it, it goes back to the whole "nothing should be off limits in comedy" thing. When the left complained about Apu, people pointed out that The Simpsons makes fun of pretty much everyone, including people from other cultures, such as Scotsmen. Again, I think it's only a problem if the purpose is to make people feel bad, but you can never know peoples intentions. I watched that video you suggested, and it is pretty cringe, but I don't think it seems like the purpose is to hurt women's feelings, it seems like just a comedy bit. Sure, it stereotypes women, but so do lots of other things, such as movies like Mean Girls which nobody has a problem with, lots of things stereotype men too, stereotypes are often part of comedy. I don't think Dylan Mulvaney has had bottom surgery, but I don't see what difference that makes.
I haven't done the research, but I really don't see how exposing children to homosexuality could introducing them to sensuality and kinkiness any more than hetorosexuality could. And if it could, I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it seems pretty stupid to avoid it just for that reason. It's a part of life, kids could see gay people kissing whenever they go outside, they have to learn about it at some point. Lots of kid's movies cover topics I think are much more mature, The Hunchback of Notre Dame for example. Also, as long as both parties are consenting adults, I don't see what's wrong with skipping romance and going straight to sex. It doesn't work for everyone, but it does work for some people, everyone's different, neither option is better or worse.
Why do we have to target one specific political group, instead of harmful ideologies in general? Why can’t we just take everyone with harmful ideologies, so both woke people and Nazis, and either rehabilitate them both or make them both social pariahs?
I agree transgenderism is a mental illness, but I don't see how the ad was trying to encourage people to become transgender. It was just a transgender person talking about beer. Are people with mental illnesses not supposed to do anything, at risk of encouraging mental illness? Would you say the same if it was a cis person with schizophrenia?
How many kid's movies show straight people kissing? How is it any different?
I think lots of people are angry about a playable character in GTA 6 being a woman, and there's no evidence that it will be woke.
Even if the jokes are mean-spirited, so what? So many conservatives made fun of Biden's obvious dementia, which I have no problem with, you can't get much more mean-spirited than that, nothing should be off-limits in comedy. In regard to them not being funny, that's very subjective.
I really don't know how to further explain the GTA complaints, lots of people simply seem angry that one of the playable characters is a woman. Some of them make excuses, they say things like "it's supposed to be about crime, not many criminals are women". That's clearly not true, and they're probably the same people who complain about men always being portrayed as the villain.
We can't read Lizzo's mind, there's no evidence that it was deliberately done as an insult. Are black people simply supposed to stay away from things that were owned by slave owners, at risk of accidentally insulting them? But even if it was an insult, so what? What's wrong with insulting a president and condemning slavery?
Nothing should be off limits in comedy. Anything can be joked about. How many comedians joke about much worse things, such as the holocaust? If you're against it, doesn't that mean you're against free speech?
There's a character limit, so I have to do this in two replies.
I know not all conservatives think the same, but I thought conservatives in general had no problem with blackface, and I don't have a problem with it either. I never understood how it's any different from dressing up a Scotsman or whatever. I know the history is different, but lots of harmless things have bad histories, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it now, unless it's done deliberately to make black people feel bad, but the same can be said about dressing up a Scotsman.
So in the same way, I don't see what's wrong a man dressing up as a woman. I personally find it rather cringe, but I don't see how it's an insult. Being offended over it seems just as ridiculous as the left being offended over cartoon characters who are people of colour being voiced by white people. Yet I'd argue Dylan Mulvaney isn't even really dressing up like a woman, since he got a sex change, something that can't be instantly reversed, like Michael Jackson becoming white. Are transgender people simply not supposed to do anything, to avoid being "blackface for women"?
I suppose being gay is "inherently sexual", since "homosexual" means sexual attraction to the same sex. But the exact same thing can be said about being straight, since "heterosexual" means sexual attraction to the opposite sex. I really don't see how a movie featuring a gay kiss could encourage kids to be gay any more than a straight kiss could encourage them to be straight. Your sexuality is something nobody could change no matter how hard they tried, that's why gay conversion therapy never works.
OK I already specified some to someone else, I'll copy and paste it:
Yes, I am referring to Dylan Mulvaney.
Lots of people were angry about the brief lesbian kiss in Lightyear.
Lots of people are angry that one of the playable characters in GTA 6 is a woman.
Lots of people were angry about Lizzo playing James Madison's flute.
Lots of people are angry over any jokes or criticism of Trump, and say it's all TDS.
I never said the left is much better, I'm just saying the right doesn't exactly have the moral high ground. I think it definitely does fit the definition of "storm". Everyone thinks their reasons are valid. You realise anyone can find an excuse to claim the election was stolen if their preferred candidate lost?
I'm not even sure whether or not I'm a liberal, I've never taken a political compass test, and I have beliefs that would anger both sides. But the fact that you're assuming I'm a liberal just because I point out ridiculousness on both sides, and haven't actually refuted any of my points, kinda proves my point.
Both sides definitely have had meltdowns over lost elections. Which side stormed the Capitol?
What you're doing is exactly what you probably accuse liberals of doing, desperately trying to find ridiculous excuses to get offended over everything. You say they're "real issues", but that's what liberals think too.
I do think gender dysphoria is a mental illness, but I have no idea why everyone took it as a personal attack or something. The ad didn't even promote transgenderism, it was simply a transgender person talking about beer. Would you say the same if it was a cis schizophrenic person? Are people with mental illnesses not allowed to do anything?
How is the gay agenda being pushed on kids? It was just a very brief kiss, the movie never tried to convince anyone to become gay. How many kid's movies show straight couples kissing? Is that pushing the straight agenda?
I'm not a fan of Lizzo, but how is her playing James Madison's flute an insult? If anything, it's a compliment. Are you saying nobody should touch historical artefacts except people you find likeable?
Conservatives definitely often do get angry over words, like you are now. Look how many got angry over harmless jokes about the Trump assassination attempt.
Well it depends on how you define "meltdown", I meant it more figuratively. As far as I know, they haven't screamed and cried over those things, but they have been extremely angry over them. And I don't see what this has to do with the election.
That means take the loss, right? You mean like Trump's supporters did in 2020? I'm not even a Trump or Kamala supporter, I just thought I'd point out the irony.
Yes, I am referring to Dylan Mulvaney.
Lots of people were angry about the brief lesbian kiss in Lightyear.
Lots of people are angry that one of the playable characters in GTA 6 is a woman.
Lots of people were angry about Lizzo playing James Madison's flute.
Lots of people are angry over any jokes or criticism of Trump, and say it's all TDS.
I gave multiple examples in my OP. Another example is how angry you are right now.
I already gave a list of examples in my OP.
Well a lot of the stuff they complain about is ridiculous, and even when they complain about something valid, they often heavily overreact.