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Lol! You think your ideas are new? Think again. Every idea has already been thought of before and it is the arrogance of youth to think that this isn't the case. The events of the past few weeks have reminded me a lot of this: seeing millennials discover racism and thinking that they invented the fight against this. Lack of nuance and censorship is also nothing new: the tyrants of history already invented that. I hope you will enjoy re-reading your comments in a couple of decades time and not be too embarrassed about them. I learned quite a few years ago and in due course hopefully so will you.
The casting is horrible but the movie as a whole is just a total mess. Almost unbelievable that Oliver Stone directed it: I recognise none of his qualities in this movie.
She is a woman. Seems to me that if the interests of women are hurt that most women would want to speak out about it.
Thank you! I worked really hard on it. Oh, wait.. I didn't. :)
"show X/movie X is racist" is the new "show X/movie X is underrated/overrated" of this forum. But in all fairness: I am surprised that shows like Little Britain and Fawlty Towers have been attacked and a show like South Park hasn't. Obviously none of these shows had racist intentions but South Park is probably a bit better known than the other two. I am a bit surprised that it hasn't been attacked before.
"horribly racist" is way too strong a description. "dated" and "insensitive" are much better descriptions. People use the word "racist" too much. Because of it there is the risk of not getting any response to it because the most minor things are deemed "racist". That wouldn't be good if you ask me.
Anyway: it is clear that a movie like this wouldn't be made this way in this day and age.
You must be very young in thinking that your opinion is the "truth". Or to think that no one but you has thought about certain subjects. The "2020-perspective" of a movie is not the only way to look at a movie, and for a movie made in the late 30's it is certainly the least relevant way to look at a movie. Not sure you will ever get that though. Actually, I am beginning to doubt whether you ever saw this movie in the first place.
Yes. And according to his wiki-page:
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As of 2020, Kuhn, along with Olivia de Havilland (who portrayed Beau Wilkes's mother, Melanie Wilkes), is one of the last two surviving credited cast members from Gone with the Wind. Caren Marsh Doll and Patrick Curtis are also living, although their parts were uncredited.</blockquote>
Caren Marsh Doll also worked on The Wizard of Oz and is 101. It is amazing that someone with both GWTW and The Wizard of Oz on her resume is still around.
Thank god sexism and violence still aren't a reason to scrutinise a movie. Otherwise 90% of all Hollywood films would be banned.
A lot of things you mention are incorrect. Only a small part of the movie shows "the old South": most of it is about the post-war period. "we the people will rise again" is a misquote: you are probably referring to Scarlett's line "As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again" which only refers to her own situation when she is at her lowest. But even if you were right there is no reason why the south's desire to recover shouldn't be a motif in a piece of fiction. You seem to want this movie to be something else than it is: that is kind of missing the point. Again: GWTW is a work of fiction and not a documentary. The book was meant as a romance story against the backdrop of the civil war and that is what most of the movie is also about. The movie may contain things that some people may find insensitive or "dated" but it is certainly not racist. Finally I must say that the way in which you seem to judge fans of the movie is irrelevant: everyone should make up their own mind. You have your opinion and other people have theirs. If you can't respect that then you are not going to convince anyone.
As a movie it is a masterpiece but its message is really, really bad. I hate the word "problematic" but the contents of The Birth of a Nation are very, VERY problematic. It is an almost perfect testcase for the level to which a viewer can differentiate between the cinematic qualities of a movie and its contents.
It wasn't racist. Parts of it might have been insensitive or dated but there is no racist message in this film. It certainly shouldn't be banned.
Apparently they never reunited before Joan's death. In a recent interview Olivia mentioned that in later years it was Joan who refused contact:
<blockquote>At an Oscars reunion in 1979, the two were placed on separate ends of the stage. Ten years later, Joan changed hotel rooms when she found out she was booked next to Olivia's. But, contrary to what Joan had expected, Olivia expressed her sadness after her sister's death in 2013.
In an interview for her 100th birthday in 2016, Olivia addressed her relationship with Joan, saying, "A feud implies continuing hostile conduct between two parties. I cannot think of a single instance wherein I initiated hostile behavior." Olivia also stated she had sometimes been "defensive," and added, "On my part, it was always loving, but sometimes estranged and, in the later years, severed."</blockquote>
I cannot believe I made that mistake... *blush*
Very true. In a way Technicolor in its day was what CGI is for present day films.
Technicolor was incredibly expensive. The process was very time consuming, hardware and negative was expensive (and difficult to handle), it required a lot of light and the company behind it never had enough resources to allow it to be used for a lot of films. Technicolor wasn't designed to be extensively used.
Olivia De Havilland (Melanie) is still alive! She will celebrate her 104th birthday in a few weeks time.
edit: corrected really, REALLY stupid mistake with her name
This is totally disgraceful! The fight against racism is important but so is freedom of speech and the fight against censorship.
Tom Holland is no Michael J. Fox. Not by a long shot even. And Back to the Future is perfect the way it is.
Both Routh and Bosworth look too young for their respective roles.