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You didn’t even care to actually read the original post, did you?
Sorry, I’m not really getting what you’re trying to say.
"People won’t be interested in a White Walker story because they know that 5 to 8 thousand years later, the Night King is going to die anyway" – is THAT your point?
The thing is… that’s the "problem" with almost every prequel (except the ones in which the time line is changed). Nonetheless, people watch prequels.
When Star Wars episodes I to III came out, *everybody* knew that this cute little boy is going to become an Evil Overlord and is going to die and HOW he is going to die, and while many people think these episodes are *hrumph* not as great as ep IV to VI were, the fact that they knew all this surely didn’t affect people’s interest in the first place.
Yes, I guess many people are not as interested in the prequel as they were a few months ago. But the reason for that is, in my opinion, that they think: "I watched the show for years and then they screwed up the ending. How can I trust them not to screw up again?" – but not that they now know that the NK and the WW will die at some point MUCH later.
> Then why the effort to get south of the wall for hundreds of years
Was it really mentioned in the TV show that they tried that? I don’t remember it but of course I might have missed that. I don’t remember that from the books either, but as I’ve said in other threads, I forgot a LOT from the books anyway…
>> Bran was expecting it since he knows the future (…)
> then why not mention it to someone?
I’m not sure that he really knows the future except for occasionally getting a vague glance (e.g. the dragon shadow over King’s Landing in his vision in an early episode).
>> Bronn. That happens in real life.
> Not really, competence matters more than
> hard work and 'getting lucky'.
So you’re saying that in real life, only really competent persons get to leading positions?
I seriously doubt that.
While I agree on "Good story, interesting characters", I don’t think you need a *happy* ending. You need a *good* ending of course, but sometimes sad or even shocking endings can be good.
He’s referring to the time when Bran, left behind by his parents and elder siblings, had to be the Lord of Winterfell which then was invaded by the Ironborn.
At least, that was my interpretation of Jon’s words.
> But whatever the status of Margarey's lady parts when she married Tommen,
> I doubt that anyone could have taught her a damn thing
> about manipulating straight men.
No argument here. :-)
In the book, there IS birth control, by drinling Moon Tea (see [url]https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Moon_tea[/url]).
However, as far as I remember, it wasn’t mentioned in the show, so we have to discount it.
You might be right that she was technically a virgin, but since there are ways to have sex without losing virginity… I guess she wasn’t inexperienced.
You were right that it flopped, but in my opinion that was in no way Sophie Turner’s fault.
It would’ve flopped with any other lead actress, too.
The scene with Sansa you mention says (in my opinion) that she is NOT a virgin.
Moreover, at some point someone (I [i]think[/i] it was Loras) mentions that Margaery is a virgin "officially" which implies that she’s not in reality.
> That makes absolutely no sense.
Hmmm.
Doreah was not just her handmaiden, they seemed to be good friends, too. Yes, Doreah betrayed her, but leaving her to suffocate or die of thirst without the slightest hint of compassion does not exactly seem like a sane behaviour to me.
I’m not saying that she was a sociopath – but also I’m not so sure anymore that she wasn’t.
^This.
Plus, the contracts were probably signed long before the final season aired.
Thank you!
I know that video but I didn’t realize that the "kinda forgot" phrase was taken from DB.
Oh Jeez.
> "While Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet and Euron's forces,
> they certainly haven't forgot about her" - David Benioff
Did he actually say this?????
*shockedface*
> there was not much indication that "the North" would have
> had issues remaining in the 7 kingdoms if a Stark was King,
> it was only Sansa that seemed to want independence.
She raised the matter before, when she was talking to Dany. But we don’t know if it was her own idea or if she discussed this off-screen with some northern Lords. *sigh* One more thing they just didn’t tell us.
> And not to mention just how messed up they
> presented his accepting of the kingship like
> he knew it all along. That basically makes
> him evil and overpowered.
I don’t know if his "Why do you think I came all this way" meant that he really knew it in advance, or if he felt, right at that moment, that this was the path that destiny has laid out for him. I think both interpretations work, but again *sigh* etc.
Well, actionkamen actually agreed with you on this. He/She just chose a funny way to say this.
> It is so neatly tied together it is like someone wrote it in a script.
To me, it’d be illogical if the North had said: "We don’t want to be part of the union anymore, but hey, your 'electing the King' stuff seems pretty nice, we’ll just adopt it."
> hey would not have made Jon King in the north since he had no right to it.
And they made him King because? – He had Ned Stark’s blood (or so they thought at that point).
While it was unusual to accept a bastard, that’s still sticking to the "blood makes a King" approach.
And Bran simply wasn’t available anymore, he already had accepted to become King of the Six Kingdoms.
So I guess that’s "agree to disagree" again.
> I like many others did not feel this was sufficient set up;
> it seemed more like a throw away line.
To me, that line was enough to suppose that this’ll be her ending in the story IF she survives. From the moment she said it. There were not much other "talking of the future" moments in the show – except in the very beginning, when she said she doesn’t want to be a Lady. Maybe the idea to become an explorer came later (which would be quite normal for a kid that age), maybe she idea came right at the moment when Lady Crane asked.
However, if she had talked about time and again, you know what people now would say? "Oooh, that was SO obvious that this’ll be her ending, they made her talk about it all the time!"
> but the problem in the show's ending is Bran is made king with
> almost no bloodline justification, According to Season 8
> the right family is not the most important but having "the best story" is.
Yes, this hold true to the new way of the remaining Six Kingdoms. It wasn’t indicated that the North, now a autonomous kingdom, jumps on that train. If they follow the old ways, Sansa’s the right and logical choice to become Queen.
> I believe that the worship of the Old Gods was far more
> common in the North than in any of the other six kingdoms
I agree. Remember when Jon was about to take his vows the the Night’s Watch, he was the only one among the newbies who believed in the Old Gods (Sam only tagged along).
> It's not clear whether anyone there but Sansa has any
> clue about Bran's powers
Tyrion did, he even mentioned in his speech that Bran became the Three Eyed Raven. Since nobody asked "What the fuck is a Three Eyed Raven" we can *assume* that the other Lords have been told in the meantime.
However, that’s no proof, and of course we don’t know (because *grrrrr* we haven’t been told) if they plan to make it public that the new King has special powers.
> Something to modify her promise to Tyrion
Maybe she never had the intention to keep that promise and simply… lied.
(Although I agree that Rhaegal dying during the battle would have made a LOT more sense.)
> Was so cheesy she went west to "explore". Made no sense.
It DID make sense since she stated that wish back in season 6.
> Let's not forget we are in a sort of medieval times. It's a little bit too much
> suspending disbelief that a girl and an almost child be named queen of Westeros just like that.
With Bran not being "available" to become King in the North and all the other male members of the Stark family being dead, even in our Middle Ages she would have been the first choice to become Queen.
> she did Nothing significant.
Doing something significant has never been in the job description of Kings & Queens in medieval times. Being the rightful heir to the right family has.
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As do your suggestions.