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I remembered the Lynch fellow's name, XXPO. He had a lot of theories about 'Inland Empire'.
Funny how the memory works, at first I just drew a blank but when I woke this morning the name was one of the first things I thought of.
You got me thinking about this guy's rant about IMDb shutting down the message boards. Not the best move by them, and I bet they lost a LOT of traffic. Oh, well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoHATownMKE
I'm a David Lynch fan and his movies are so loaded with symbolism and metaphor that there were, and are, endless discussions. You Tube is full of them. The IMDb message boards for his material were voluminous, and vitriolic. But I sure miss them. There was one fellow there that was loaded with theories and he got in so many arguments that he quit for a time (I'm talking about a span of 5 or so years). So people started asking about him. Sure enough he got back on there, but with some caveats that he explained. Fun stuff ! There were several others who also posted involved messages. One guy was 000X.... something, I forget. But his posts were so involved often people didn't reply because there was so much stuff.
This guy in the YT video mentions TheMovieDB. And this site is ostensibly an archive of IMDb. But neither has near the traffic that the old IMDb message boards did. Maybe after awhile but I'm skeptical. That said, I still look at IMDb, the birthdays, Coming Soon, Movie News, Photos We Love and I look up the occasional item. But Like the guy says, it's just not the same.
I get irritated when people call some art 'bad' when they actually just don't like it. Most art is presented when the artist feels that it is complete and fulfills their vision. I have read at times artists under contract have their works interfered with and altered before publication. In case of films Orson Welles comes to mind. I'm sure there are many other examples. But in general most art when it is presented is 'good', in that it fulfill the artists goals. So 'objectively' most, if not all art is 'good'.
It seems that people try to get others to mimic their aesthetic with value judgments. Of course in the art business a motive is to sell works, and denigrate others. Perfectly understandable.
As to other value judgments, I can understand how people can come to dislike certain works. mostly style considerations it seems.
When the cops were interviewing Bushnell about Dougie, forget which episode. He was commenting on how slow Dougie seemed 'at times'.
Lynch wouldn't have to do much 'fishing' to get ideas for Season 4. Audrey for starters, quite a story there. Bobby and Shelly for another. And I was sure wondering why Ontkean, Graham, Laurie and Moira Kelly weren't featured, all major characters. Though I could see Annie getting as far from Twin Peaks as she could, maybe Donna and Catherine too.
I thought Mike urged Dougie to put the fork in the socket so the real Cooper could take his place though it.
Yeah, 'creative license' and deux ex machina get tiresome sometimes. And I thought the fellas got the idea from The X Files, you know, 'band aid nose man' ? Does put a spin on things though. I though, gee, Diane was murdered? No way an impostor of her is out there is she is still around. But the idea is intrinsic to Season 3 apparently, considering the Red Room action.
Didn't Bushnell mention something about an auto accident Dougie was in?
Maybe murdered by this being? She was out of the Bureau for some time so possible. Maybe in a similar place as Laura, or Ray, or now Richard, Leland, Windom and so on?
I guess you have to allow some creative license with Twin Peaks. Really some science fiction territory, deux ex machina. There doesn't seem much logic involved in the Lodges. I imagine Frost and Lynch themselves couldn't quite explain it. It's almost like the discussions about James Joyce's 'Finnegans Wake' for instance. Or Homer's Odyssey. I could see Mark Frost writing a series of novels.
As to tulpas, I wonder if the real Diane was murdered? Being out of the bureau for awhile this seems possible. So she might be in the Black Lodge now. Mr. C is a tulpa also. And I'm guessing that Sarah Palmer has one of herself. I thought that when she answered the door for Hawk and there was noise from the kitchen, the real Sarah. (I bet that was Bushnell in the boxing movie clip she was viewing). I think Dougie was really Dale but in an interim state.
This also reminds me of 'Donnie Darko'. On the surface non sensical but if you read Roberta Sparrow's (aka Grandma Death) book things are explained. Frost might do something similar.
Assuming Audrey isn't having a nightmare in some mental facility I imagine someone might think it a good idea for her and Dale Cooper to meet again, if he shows up of course. And the Great Northern Hotel would be a good place for that to happen. Can't say I haven't fantasized about that the past 25 years. I wrote some comments to the effect on the old IMDb message boards. I miss that, one of the reasons I comment here. :/
It was noted, by myself also, that she was crawling just like Dougie when he crawled towards the electric outlet. The lady easily could have gotten up. Maybe a little possession there ?
I saw the suggestion that Sarah also has a doppelganger, who we see in the bar. I thought, yeah, and she answered the door for Hawk while Sarah was rummaging around in the kitchen, probably for some booze or a glass. :/
Good question. Bob wasn't naked, the Woodsmen aren't naked, the Fireman isn't naked, Cooper wasn't naked when he came through the electric outlet and the glass box. Even the eyeless woman wasn't naked in the Lodge with Cooper (it seemed she was trying to show him the way out). Not sure about Major Briggs as we just see his body in the morgue. But when he returned from the White Lodge he wasn't naked. Neither was Phillip Jeffries when he returned from the Black Lodge. Annie wasn't naked when she was returned from the Red Room. That's all I can think of. :/
I saw a comment that actually Sarah was in the kitchen when Hawk visited and the doppelganger answered the door. :/
I think Mark Frost will write another book or 2 on Twin Peaks. I think they just have enough time to settle Cooper's story. I get the feeling that is what the eyeless women is for.
I doubt there will be a season 4.
All I could think of was that the eyeless woman might somehow be needed to revive Cooper, who could very well be on his way to Twin Peaks if Agent Cole has any success. I noted that Andy was shown both Coopers.
It seems to me that Lynch and Frost talked extensively about what might happen in 25 years time, and mainly what Mr. C would and could do. He apparently got quite rich with somewhat of an organization, but as Laura said 'I'll see you in 25 years', and Mr. C is striving to stay in this dimension. Good story I think, only somewhat related to Twin Peaks, though I think Glastonbury Grove is pivital to Mr. C's story and most of the officials, Cole, Hawk, Truman and co. all come to realize it and might converge there. The Dougie story is fascinating also. I've been wondering if Cole will find him and bring him to Twin Peaks? Those cops might have dismissed the fingerprint evidence but whoever they consulted probably didn't. Like the man said, I'm just itching to see part 14.
8 pm was better, oh well
True, you don't know if he escaped somehow or was rescued.
I wondered about Annie, but apparently she left town and I don't blame her. Donna did also apparently. I don't blame either, totally troubled characters who wanted to get as far away as possible.
I wouldn't mind seeing either though. I imagine Cooper trying to find Annie.
No Catherine either, actually odd considering.