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To be fair though, I don't believe that Penny's problem was the pregnancy per se. But it was the sad fact that she had to feel such shame about what had happened, and it was obvious that she would lose her job if her boss found out. If we could have helped these unwed mothers back then and not shamed them, the killing of helpless babies would never have become legal.
I believe that you have the two sisters mixed up somehow.
Really? Because I would rather say that Rose and Atticus was too much of a fairy-tale. And even they were forced to deal with her dispicable mother and his dispicable father.
And I loved everything about Edith and Bertie. They were two underdogs, who finally met each other and could find their happiness together. Sure, maybe it was a bit too much that Bertie suddenly became a marquis. But I guess that JF wanted Edith to finally beat nasty Mary. And I guess that some times, a title and an estate could go to a distant cousin (just like Matthew suddenly became Robert's heir after Patrick's death).
[quote]Viewers who have not seen the first television version are unaware that she was in danger of being raped by her stepmother's fiancee. That point is really brought home in the original series.[/quote]
But the incident with the stepmother's rapist suitor never happened in the original novels either. That was completely an invention of the 1960s TV adaption.
[quote]I don't think Irene wanted her cake and to eat it too. I think she hoped they could have made a success enough of their marriage that they could have gotten along well enough, and at best grown to care about one another, in a similar in ways that Soames and Anette eventually did. But in case that didn't happen, she wanted an out, which Soames swore to, but refused to honor.[/quote]
Indeed! It is very insensitive to say that Irene "wanted her cake and to eat it too", because she obviously had tried to make things work with Soames. But it became clear that nothing could save that marriage. It is very sad that so many people can watch this TV series and still not get that Irene [i]did[/i] try for a painful period of two years, or that Soames was never a good husband to her.
Well, I am not Shannon. And I have to confess that I have never read the original novels as meticulously as she seems to have. But I will still try to answer your questions, as I understood the situations from this TV adaption:
1: Soames was responsible for Bosinney's death because of how he had raped Irene. Bossiney was rightfully enraged by this, so he didn't care about the dangerous fog, ran around the city without control, so he could find Soames and make him pay for what he did to Irene, only to end up being killed in the traffic. So while it is true that Soames didn't exactly murder him, it was indirectly his fault that the accident happened.
2: Soames was responsible for Fleur's marriage because he assaulted Irene, which made Jon break up with Fleur when she reminded him of her father. Fleur only married Michael Mont while she was on the rebound from Jon, and I don't believe that she ever became happy with him.
Toodeloo! I'm here!
Fair enough, but... Even if Tanya's issue wasn't the science project alone, that is the part that bothers me. Because I've seen this again and again in American sitcoms and even comic strips: The kid has to be on top of all their classes, or they will have to face anger and even contempt from their parents. Remember how Cliff Huxtable on "The Cosby Show" almost was ready to disown Theo and called him lazy, when he said that he would be satisfied with being a bus driver? And yeah, I guess that we're supposed to think that the parents only want the best for their kids. But since you will hardly ever hear that arguement in the show itself, the parents will only come across as selfish jerks to me. As if they only want the kids to do well, so they can please the parents. And how is that fair? Some times, parents will just have to face that their kids have minds of their own and have to make their own choices and mistakes. Especially if the kid in question is already a teenager like Raven was in that episode. But it seems like American sitcom and comic strip parents are really bad at thinking that far...
But I guess that this comes down to a case of values dissonance between the US and my country. Because here in Sweden, parents in TV shows, movies and books will be far more liberal than their American counterparts. Or if they aren't that liberal, they will have to change and apologize or be labelled as domestic abusers. And I just can't imagine that a "you have to improve your grades, or else" or "you have to go to College, or else" plotline would come up in any Swedish media. Unless you want to portray said parent as a bad person, that is...
Oh my God! I was the one, who looked for that cartoon!
I eventually got the right answer on another forum, and I now know that the cartoon was Slovakian (technically Czechoslovakian, as it was made in the 1985. But it was made in Bratislava, so I say it's Slovakian.)
[quote]Even the ten commandments? What about all the laws in Leviticus? Did God tell Christians which ones to follow and which to chuck out at some point?[/quote]
If you read Paul's epistles, you will see that he was adamant that Christians don't have to follow the Leviticus.
That is despite that he was Jewish and had previously been a fanatic about following a strict form of Judaism.
Of course, Paul was not God.
But he still was was the one, who made it possible for Christianity to become a world religion.
So his word has meant a lot for all future Christians.
Yes, that is what it looks like. I hope that more people will find their way here eventually.
But you have to remember that Achilles had killed Paris's brother and even almost refused to let his family give him a proper funeral.
So as far as Paris knew at the time, there was nothing good at all about Achilles and he deserved to die.
Yes, he could have listened to Briseis before killing him. But I guess that what happened had to happen.
And I don't know whether to laugh or cry at you Paris haters. First you will go on and on about him being a "lousy coward".
And then, when he finally does something brave, that should have made him look better in your eyes, you can still find faults with what he does. Wow...
***Yes, it's your right to like cowards & weaklings***
And it's your right to like macho meatheads. Moving on...
***Helen stayed with him as she was a thoroughly manipulative woman.***
Fine, if that is what you want to believe...
***No wish to add further to my opinion of Paris other than it seems even his father hadn't too high a regard for him either.***
He didn't? When exactly did Priam express any disregard for Paris?
***As for your dismissing such brave men as Achilles (love or hate him),Hector, Patroclus,Odysseus and so many others as, "macho meatheads", is risible, and even immature.***
But I was not talking about Hector (who was a honorable man despite being a great warrior), Patroclus (who was hardly less of a "weakling" than Paris was) or Odysseus (who was intelligent as well as strong and brave). I was rather talking about Achilles (who was a complete piece of shit until he found love in Briseis at the end of movie) and Agamemnon and Menelaus. Got to hate them!