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Nora's at her breaking point, I think. She lost her husband and kids, and spent three years paying prostitutes to come to her house and shoot her while she wears a bullet proof vest as a coping mechanism. She then met Kevin, began dating him, and then found baby Lilly on his doorstep. Lilly became her new coping mechanism, with Kevin and Jill being icing on the cake. She then spent the next year, being a family with Lilly, Kevin and Jill until they moved to Miracle. After the events of Season 2, Lilly's mother came back seeking custody, and Nora then spent another three years not only trying to get over the loss of her children, but Lilly as well. Jill's moved out and gone away to college, and all Nora has left now is Kevin, but he's not enough. She's regressed to being the old Nora Durst we knew from Season 1, meaning she's very emotional unstable and self destructive again. She's spent seven years trying to cope with her losses, and nothing has worked. Kevin suggests having a kid with her, but Nora does and/but she doesn't want a kid with him for conflicting reasons. She does want to have a kid with him because she loves him, but she can't because she'll feel bad about the children she's lost already. Or perhaps she feels like the child she'll have with Kevin will disappear too because of her being deemed "Nora Cursed".
Then, out of the blue, after seven years of trying to cope with her losses, a celebrity from the 1980s that most people do not remember (at least, that's how I see Mark Linn-Baker anyways) calls her up and tells her she has the chance to see her kids again. From what we've seen from Nora Durst in the past previous seasons, she has debunked everyone who crossed her path, trying to tell her that there's a reason why her family was taken, or how they were taken. Now, after seven years, and been putting up a good fight, trying to make due in what is left of the world, she's tired and worn out. She hears a possible BS story about how to disappear like the Departed, that most certainly will result in death, but she doesn't care anymore. She's got nothing to lose. She wants to end her pain, regardless if she dies or not. She spent seven years trying not to succumb to the insanity the world has delved into. Now, she's giving in to it. The only shitty thing about this is that she's taking Kevin along with her, and he doesn't know what she intends on doing. Someone above mentioned Nora getting vaporized, and Kevin sacrificing himself to save her. It's probably going to be more than that. It's going to be him showing her that he truly is the Messiah her brother Matt, John and Michael claim he is to be. He'll probably die saving her, and she'll end up living in Australia, under the name Sarah. Why? As shown in this episode, self destructive Nora does not care about letting a legacy be a legacy (the man on the tower). She had to debunk that to make herself feel good, and not allow others to be easily and foolishly led. By the end of the season, after Kevin saves her and brings her back from the "Other Side", she's going to allow Kevin's legacy to continue, and in Kevin's legacy, both her and Kevin departed on the seventh anniversary of the Departure. Nora will live the rest of her life knowing exactly what happened to Kevin, while the rest of the world is foolishly led to believe Kevin sacrificed himself for humanity (that is, if Matt's book gets published), when really Kevin sacrificed himself for Nora. And Kevin's sacrifice will not only be remembered by Nora in turning her life around (hopefully in a positive way), but will be remembered for generations to come if Matt's book gets published, and Kevin is celebrated as a religious figure.
At least, that's what I think will happen anyway.
Kevin, John, Michael and Matt are fully aware of Kevin's abilities. Kevin never told Nora or anyone else. If he did tell anyone else, they didn't buy his story, and think its BS. Kevin would just rather have no one hear about it, but John, Michael, Matt, and now supposedly Kevin Sr. are trying to exploit the hell out of Kevin.
I only asked about Nora's husband because he Departed with Nora's children, yet throughout the episode she's only asked if she wanted to see her kids again. The only reason I asked was to see if there was any reason if she didn't want to see her husband again, other than she's in love with Kevin. Now that I remember that the husband was cheating on her with a pre-school teacher, I now understand a bit more why she wouldn't want to see her husband anymore.
There's also a shot of Dylan shoving Norman up against a car, and a scene of Emma sitting on a chair crying. I think "Mother" will handle Romero, and Dylan will confront her when the ball drops about Caleb.
So, to recap, and someone correct me if I'm wrong...
Evie and Meg were killed by the ATF, but the cover-up story was a gas leak. But John believes she's still alive.
Erika left John and her son, while John and Laurie ended up getting together as con artists.
Kevin and Nora are still together, but something terrible happened to Lilly.
Jill has moved away from home to go to college, ending her relationship with Michael.
Michael, Matt and John are working together to write a book on Kevin's life.
Mary is leaving Matt to go back to Mapleton with Noah.
And Dean died crazy, while Kevin has regained his sanity.
Well, most of it, anyway, since Kevin likes to kill himself everyday, or at least attempt to kill himself.
Now for me to ask a few questions:
1). Did anyone else notice some type of tension between Nora and Tommy? Like, giving each other looks only people who get together behind someone's back look?
2). What do you think Nora from the future signifies?
3). Do you guys actually think Evie and Meg are dead?
4). Evie and Meg's deaths were claimed to be due to a gas leak. Weren't gas leaks hinted at in earlier seasons due to the Departures?
I don't know if its on the bluray or not, but all I know is that in the Season 2 premiere, the brick building they're coming out of in the beginning is the Vatos place. I'm kind of ticked these scenes weren't kept in. Almost immediately after the group left the CDC, Shane's car breaks down, and tries to catch up with the group on foot. You can see a portion of this in the Season 2 trailer. Daryl notices Shane break down, and alerts the group to stop and go back for him. Here's a link to see what occurs afterwards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtTvIMhrZS4
These scenes were important, though, and I don't get why they took them out. Daryl hissing at Sophia was important because it gives Daryl more reason to go looking for Sophia later; he feels guilty for hissing at her and scaring her, and he wants to make up for it by finding her. It makes better sense and fits Daryl's character in the beginning, then a sudden shift into selflessness into finding her when you compare him from Season 1 and Season 2. But then again, that selflessness is more than likely why almost EVERY fangir-, I mean fan, likes him so much. The dead Vatos also were important because I think it was supposed to foreshadow Randall's group later in the Season. It could be speculated that the Governor's group did it, sure, but I sincerely think that the dead Vatos were supposed to foreshadow Randall's group.
As for Abernathy, yes, she was the Woodbury doctor that helped Andrea and Michonne when they first got to Woodbury, and healed the Governor after Michonne took his eye out. I'm curious about her because I've seen the actress in a few other things, and I got curious as to how someone like her just came and went. I'm going to have to assume that she went to stay at the prison with Woodbury and Rick's group, and somewhere in between Season 3 and 4, she either left the Prison or got killed offscreen. And I agree about Heath, more than likely they'll write his character out by having someone confirm his passing. His fate will eventually get explained. I do want Morales to come back though. Maybe if the show ever gets around to developing the part of the comics where the communities get together for a fair pre-Whisperers war, Morales and his family could come back up to visit, because word somehow traveled towards Alabama, which would be great, because it would show how effective the leadership of Rick, Ezekiel, Maggie and Dwight/Daryl (could be either one to take Negan's place as leader of the Saviors) has caused. And maybe Morales and his family are the first casualties of the Whisperers war. That may set Rick over the edge.
I was sarcastic about the family from season 3 that Daryl and Merle saved. Those people were pointless, so who cares. Everything else I'm serious on. I'm just mentioning that these are characters who have gone missing on the Walking Dead, along with Heath, that I have gotten curious about over the years, whether if they were important or not.
I do want to see Morales and his family again because I liked his character.
Abernathy I'm only curious about because she just disappeared without any explanation. The Walking Dead wiki claims she got gunned down by the Governor in the season 3 finale, but other than a few credited background extras and Allen, the rest of the people he shot were random nobodies.
The Vatos are dead, as stated before as my personal opinion, but I would have liked to have seen them again in Season 5 when Carol and Daryl followed Beth's kidnappers back into the city.
The guy who left Randall behind, at one point in the past, I thought was going to end up being one of the Governor's men in Season 3, and somehow have a major impact of the plot, but that never happened. I probably assumed that would happen because I wanted to believe at the time that ditching Randall behind with Rick and the group would serve a bigger purpose other than allowing Shane to lure Rick into a trap that ultimately failed.
And the people in the train cars in Terminus I was interested in because Rick and crew only opened up one box car that had ONE guy in it, while there were possibly others to be saved, and Rick and crew left them behind. Just the idea of being locked in an room, knowing you're going to die kind of irks me, so that's why those faceless, unseen nobodies stand out. I know they're unimportant, but still, it irks me a bit.
Heath, who has only been in two seasons (not several) for a grand total of 5 episodes, has agreeably, and clearly, become more of a prominent figure than any of the other ones I have listed. I sincerely think his character will only return if the actor's schedule clears up, or if he has actual desire to return. If neither, he may just end up like the faceless nobodies I just mentioned, dead or alive.
If he were to come back, though, I don't think it'd be a Shiva moment like someone mentioned above earlier. He would have to bring a prominent character back with him, and then we'd get a flashback episode, maybe even two, focusing on how he met said person. Maybe he brings Magna and group from the comics back to Alexandria?
Probably hoping 24: Legacy doesn't get cancelled, otherwise he'd have to come back to the zombie apocalypse. If 24: Legacy continues, or Corey Hawkins finds other work, then we could probably consider Heath dead. Then again, we still haven't seen Morales or his family since Season 1 as well. So they could still be alive. Dr. Abernathy didn't die in Season 3, so she's out there somewhere. The Vatos are dead. I know they cut their death scenes out from Season 2, but I consider it canon; they're dead. We also don't know what happened to the guy that left Randall behind in Season 2. What about the people Merle and Daryl saved in Season 3. What about the other people left behind in train cars in Terminus? (More than likely suffocated and starved to death, or probably wound up killing and eating each other).
Worse than hiding underneath a dumpster? It's worse than Season 6, too? Well, at least how is Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Negan?
I'm curious if Chick or Norman will come forward about what happened to Caleb to Dylan.
Well, unlike Norma, Dylan and Emma are good parents and if Katie ends up like Norman, they will make sure she gets the proper help she needs so she doesn't end up like Uncle Norman, or Grandma Norma, or Granduncle Caleb. I feel like "Norma" will come for Katie, though, if "Norma" goes bonkers in the last three episodes.
According to the creators, they said that once Nick and Trubel killed Zerstorer, it caused Zerstorer's time in our dimension to be erased, starting when Nick jumped out of the mirror. But for whatever reason, only Nick and Diana know about what happened.
Eve acted like she didn't just die or anything when she came out of the portal with Nick, so I'm assuming time rewound.
I guess we'll see what happens then. Personally, I think Dylan will be the new Arbogast, Madeline will show up looking for her husband, find the body in the basement, Norman will try to attack her as mother but Romero will stop Norman before he does. Not kill him, though. I think the Sheriff might show up and either arrest Romero before he can do that, or gun him down. As for Chick, I think he'll end up writing the book on Norman. Who knows? Maybe Dylan finds out about what happened to his Duncle, and goes after Chick.
I figured at this point, most of the main characters on the show, especially the audience now, know about Norman's problem by this point, so I don't see a need for them to repeat that scene with the psychiatrist. Wasn't that there just to provide exposition on Norman before the movie ended? I'm sure we could go without it. But again, if not Edwards, more than likely Dylan.
It's definitely Dylan or Dr. Edwards taking Arbogast's place.
Okay, this will be last post on this topic and I'll stop bringing it up. The most recent episode, Marion, shows Emma reading an article on Norma's suicide. It says Norma is 41, as it should be according to the gravestone earlier in the season. But then the article continues to state that Norma is survived by her 18 year old son, despite his tombstone at the cemetery would show him to be 20 when she died. When I noticed that, I had to stop the episode, and think for a couple minutes before continuing. It's so screwed at this point, there's no bother with it anymore. I just thought I'd share that in case anyone missed it.
I think the ending was fine. What didn't work well was the choice of Norman Greenbaum during the end credits. Probably one of the darkest endings as of 2017 I've seen in a while, and then Spirit in the Sky comes on in the end credits. Also, I think it would've worked better if was edited differently to impact the ending harder. In fact, the dark ending should have gone further.
Say the ending focused on Jake Gyllenhaal's pod as one scene, and then cut to Rebecca Ferguson's. Just have the movie's end focusing on her hurdling into deep space, no music in the background, just her screaming and the controls going awry, then cut to outside the pod where we can't hear her scream (because in space no one can hear you scream), and watch as the pod drifts further, and further until you can't see it anymore, and then...Directed by Daniel Espinosa. No Spirit in the Sky, no music. Just pure silence as the credits play over the shot in space, and maybe as the credits continue to roll, the camera pans over to earth, and we see lights from all around the world begin to go off. Maybe its like an accelerated montage were HUGE fires break out, maybe a several HUNDRED explosions, and it just ends with the total destruction of Earth.
Even if it did take place around 2013, it couldn't work because A) a billboard in the movie at the camp makes it appear to be late 2003, early 2004 B) Jason gets frozen in 2010 in Jason X.
Freddy vs. Jason manages to both take place after both Freddy and Jason's origins were revealed, and then completely ignore them, which is hilarious.
In Freddy's Dead, we learn that Freddy's powers come from a trio group of Dream Demons, and when he is killed in the real world for the first time in the series, the Dream Demons leave his body to find someone like Freddy. But then this movie comes and says "Screw that, Freddy's power is boosted by fear. If people fear him, then he can come back. If not, then he can't come back." Unless this movie was supposed to imply he transcended past the power of the Dream Demons and become a feared entity by the fear of others, I'd say this was kind of a mistake.
In Jason Goes to Hell, we learn that either Pamela or Elias Voorhees had a mysterious book that probably conjured Jason back to life [whether if it was when he was a child, sometime between human Jason (Part IV) and zombie Jason (Part VI), or if it was in-between Part VIII and JGTH]. Also, somewhere in-between Part VIII and JGTH, someone turned his child-like body back into a man again, gave him the ability to body hop, and the only thing that could actually kill him was a dagger that one of his bloodline had to be wielding in order to actually kill him. In this, he's just the walking zombie he became in Parts VI-VIII: he comes back to life when he is "awoken" or "disturbed".