A lesbian fantasy
This has to be the most man hateing movie ever made.
A blood thirsty gangster has more heart then the ice cold lesbian.
This has to be the most man hateing movie ever made.
A blood thirsty gangster has more heart then the ice cold lesbian.
No worse “then” your lesbian “hateing”. Or atrocious spelling and grammar.
shareOh the irony
shareThe OP criticized the characters for being man-hating, not lesbian - and I have to agree. The character being a lesbian isn't a problem at all, it's this bizarre notion that she has to hate men. She's a TERRIBLE person and seems to feel COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED in not only doing what she does, but pointing out any man that DARES to challenge her is not just wrong, but wrong because they are a man.
shareThe lesbian stuff was fairly minor and it would have hurt nothing if they just left it out of the movie, but since it is 2021, there has to be a at least one homosexual couple somewhere in the story.
Rosamund Pike was the ultimate mary sue. She is apparently smarter, more cunning, and able to overwhelm anyone who crosses her, even a bunch of russian mobsters. The unbelievability of it all pulled me out of what could have been a good story.
Oh, and the one hero of the movie was a man - that minor character we only saw at the very beginning and very end of the movie.
“since it is 2021, there has to be a at least one homosexual couple somewhere in the story” is exactly the type of hyperbole I’ve come to expect from people who would actually prefer to see NO homosexuals on the big screen. Garden variety conservative claptrap.
I’ve watched 41 films since the start of the year and there has been gay characters in exactly 2 of them. Which to my mind is a pretty fair reflection of the stats in real life.
Imagine if gay people were so precious about having to watch mostly straight themes in the majority of movies they see. Maybe they’re made of steelier stuff than potato heads who cry every time they have to see someone from a different lifestyle than their own.
You must watch old films
shareSorry but there is clearly a concerted effort in Hollyweird to shoehorn as much "alphabet" content as possible. Some of the most powerful people in Hollyweird are part of the alphabet club so fair enough if they want to use their positions to push their agenda but please, let's not pretend it's just "hyperbole" when someone points it out.
Honestly if you watched 41 movies with only 2 alphabet characters then I'd say a good chunk of those movies are either at least 10-15 years old, kid movies or non western films. Non white countries don't seem to prioritize portraying the alphabet lifestyle as much as European dominated countries do in film & television. That being said, it does seem to be a lot more overt in TV than in mainstream movies that are meant to appeal to a worldwide audience.
Members of the alphabet club finding issue with films following mostly straight narratives would be just as ridiculous as vegetarians raising a fuss about the overwhelming majority of people in film being portrayed as meat eaters and this coming from a life long vegetarian.
Well, for the record, here’s the films I’ve seen since the start of the year (some old, indeed, but most well under the ten year period you mentioned, none were kids movies, and all but one were “western movies”):
John Wick (2014)
John Wick 2 (2017)
Creed (2015)
Creed 2 (2018)
Tank Girl (1995)
Birds of Prey (2020)
Yesterday (2019)
The Dark (2018)
Captain Fantastic (2016)
I, Tonya (2017)
Southpaw (2015)
Ready or Not (2019)
The Final Quarter (2019)
Hail, Caesar (2016)
Run Lola Run (1998)
The Forbidden Kingdom (2008)
The Little Girl Who Lives Down The Lane (1976)
Criminal (2016)
Thor Ragnarok (2017)
Flight (2012)
Rocky IV (1985)
Unknown (2011)
The Informant (2009)
Crimson Peak (2015)
Six Souls (2010)
Jaws 2 (1978)
Capone (2020)
A Quiet Place (2018)
The Shape of Water (2017)
The Peanut Butter Falcon (2019)
The Happy Prince (2018)
A Streetcat Named Bob (2016)
The Gentlemen (2019)
Sing Street (2016)
Madame (2017)
Thunder Road (2018)
Green Book (2018)
The Black Balloon (2008)
The Way Way Back (2013)
Legend of Barney Thompson (2015)
The Mummy (2017)
The Prom (2020)
And I correct myself, 3 of those feature gay characters, but 2 of those were bios (Happy Prince and Green Book) so it’s hardly a matter of forced diversity when they are telling a true story. The Prom is the only fictional film there that has gay characters and themes. It was terrible, for sure, but so were a few others I saw. I think my point stands that the insinuation that every modern film has forced diversity with gay characters is indeed hyperbole.
sharePeanut Butter Falcon was a fantastic movie IMO, but only a few of the moves you mentioned were released in the last year or so 2020:
Birds of Prey (2020): Harley Quinn is bisexual, however, she was bisexual in the comics, so that isn't forced diversity.
The Prom (2020): The key plot point driving the whole film is a girl wanting to take another girl to prom
Capone (2020): Haven't seen that movie, but one 1930s period piece doesn't disprove anything as two of the three most recent movies you have seen support my point that wokeness is shoehorned into modern movies that doesn't need add to the movie.
The last two movies I have seen : I Care A lot (2020) and Chick Fight (2020) had completely unnecessary lesbian relationships shoehorned in for wokeness points and nothing more. And circling back to Peanut Butter Falcon - yes the main character had Down's, but he wasn't shoehorned in for cheap wokeness points. His disability was central to the whole movie.
I think the lesbianism in I Care A Lot is not unecessary. Yes, it can be made without but it adds to the character. Not only a lesbian, almost all of her staffs are women. And she was depicted as a man-hating evil villainess, so I don't think a woman like that would have a male spouse.
shareBirds of Prey (2020): Harley Quinn is bisexual, however, she was bisexual in the comics, so that isn't forced diversity.
I can see being annoyed at changing Harley from hetero to bi to gay, but Batwoman's always been gay in the comics. Shrug. Takes more than that to annoy me, but YMMV.
shareNo she wasn't.
Batwoman was also strictly heterosexual.
She was even in some animated films before where she dated Batman.
In 2006/2007 DC retconned her and turned her into a full-blown lesbian and made a full-on media circus out of it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120217105301/http://www.out.com/entertainment/2006/05/30/batwoman-comes-out
All before then she was heterosexual.
The problem is, people like you are so brainwashed by the media's propaganda you actually believe Batwoman was always a lesbian (despite the fact that for decades she was strictly heterosexual).
This is historical revisionism of a fictional character that further proves people have not only lowered their standards, but also defend woke propaganda because they've been repeatedly told to.
Sadly, there's no hope to fix this problem and people like you are a lost cause.
You don't know the slightest thing about "people like me," comics, or common sense. But why not, I'm bored:
"Batwoman" is a name that's been applied to several characters in DC Comics. After countless retcons, reboots, new universes and re-imaginings, the only thing the current Batwoman (in the comics) has in common with the initial character is the name.
So, NO: she wasn't "originally heterosexual." That's like saying that Blue Beetle was originally Ted Kord. Or Carter Hall was originally a spaceman. Or etc. etc. etc. . .
Get it? Of course not, you're a frustrated non-thinker with an axe to grind. Good luck w/that.
You don't know the slightest thing about "people like me," comics, or common sense.
After countless retcons, reboots, new universes and re-imaginings, the only thing the current Batwoman (in the comics) has in common with the initial character is the name.
So, NO: she wasn't "originally heterosexual." That's like saying that Blue Beetle was originally Ted Kord. Or Carter Hall was originally a spaceman. Or etc. etc. etc. . .
A buh buh buh:
"Yes, I do, I just rolled out irrefutable facts and you got offended."
You need to learn what "facts" and "irrefutable" mean. You're confused.
"And you're so offended you completely failed to apply basic logic to the irrefutable facts I put out"
You're mistaking amusement for "offense." You're confused.
"Batwoman was ALWAYS heterosexual, in every incarnation before the 2007 retcon."
That doesn't mean they changed her to a lesbian. That means they created a new character that shares the same name, who is a lesbian. There's a fundamental difference, which you seem unable to grasp. You're confused.
"Every incarnation of Batwoman was heterosexual except for Kate Kane."
Uh huh. As I said, those were different characters. OTHER "incarnations," if that helps you.
"Literally everything I said was correct"
Um. . .no. You need to look up "correct," as well. Because you're the opposite.
The "she" you're referring to didn't exist until multiple iterations of the character had been floated. This version has NOTHING to do w/previous Kate Kanes, except for the name. Different backstories, different parentage, different costuming, different body type, different hair, different orientation. Sad that you're having trouble grasping this (basic) concept.
That doesn't mean they changed her to a lesbian. That means they created a new character that shares the same name, who is a lesbian. There's a fundamental difference, which you seem unable to grasp. You're confused.
This version has NOTHING to do w/previous Kate Kanes, except for the name. Different backstories, different parentage, different costuming, different body type, different hair, different orientation.
Yawn.
"There have been multiple iterations of multiple characters, including Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, and The Punisher to name a few. ALL of their iterations have been heterosexual, because they're based on a character(s) who were originally designed to be heterosexual."
SO much stupid in one post. Let's start w/the fact that none of that is relevant. Then point out that you simply repeated what I said, w/o understanding it. Maybe find someone smarter than you to explain it to you?
"Batwoman -- in all her incarnations -- was ALWAYS a socialite and heterosexual."
Wrong.
"It was part of her character trait because she was a femme fatale; she used her sexuality as a trait to lure, deceive, and manipulate men."
*Wrong.*
"This played into HOW she performed and utilized her wits and skills as Batwoman."
Sorry, but this is. . .wait for it. . .WRONG.
"They CHANGED one of her core traits to be a lesbian despite the fact the character has historically -- in EVERY incarnation -- been heterosexual."
The part you're still too stupid to understand is that it's Not The Same Character. Katy Kane is NOT Katherine Kane. In *any* way shape or form. They simply hewed closely to the name, for obvious (to functioning intellects) reasons. This is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the "iterations" of Superman and GL we've seen (You're confused about the Punisher as well, but the thought of explaining that to you makes me tired).
You don't understand simple concepts ("retcon," "iteration," "logic") so rather than wish you good luck, I'll repeat my best advice: Find someone to explain it to you in simplest terms. You're not good at the thinking thing.
SO much stupid in one post. Let's start w/the fact that none of that is relevant.
Wrong.
*Wrong.*
Sorry, but this is. . .wait for it. . .WRONG.
The part you're still too stupid to understand is that it's Not The Same Character. Katy Kane is NOT Katherine Kane. In *any* way shape or form.
This is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the "iterations" of Superman and GL we've seen
(You're confused about the Punisher as well, but the thought of explaining that to you makes me tired).
I'll repeat my best advice: Find someone to explain it to you in simplest terms. You're not good at the thinking thing.
I haven't even seen the majority of those films(thus can't verify one way or the other) but i could still make out that you still omitted a few examples of alphabet club involvement. Regardless, I noted that this concerted agenda is pushed far more aggressively in western television than it is in film. Especially mainstream films that are marketed to a global audience and a large majority of those films that I recognized certainly qualify. Alphabet themed dramas are bigger annual Hollyweird award bait than Holocaust films right now, seemingly with at least one designated by the industry to be showered with critical praise and accolades every year.
shareLet's look at few of the shows:
Brooklyn 99
Queen's Gambit
Super8
The sinner
Star Trek
godless
the umbrella academy
sense8
bridgerton
I care
batwoman
Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
The Haunting of Bly Manor
Arrow.
Supergirl
Black Lightning
And there are more, way more.
A longer list (I haven't seen them all)
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/culture/the-best-lgbtq-inclusive-shows-you-can-watch-right-now-on-netflix/
No need for a list.
GLAAD already admitted that more than 10% of all characters in media entertainment are part of the Rainbow Reich and they want that number doubled by this year:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-film-lgbt/glaad-calls-for-lgbt-characters-in-20-percent-of-movies-by-2021-idUSKCN1IN1MB
The reality is that when Hollywood throws in a lesbian or gay couple they then think they have to put and exclamation point on the fact that they are gay or lesbians by having them play tonsil hockey or go down on each other. If there was a reason for it to happen in the movie it is one thing, but when it is done just to pander to the militant gay turds in the world then I'm sorry but it is distracting. We don't see every straight character in a movie fucking someone just to show they are straight, so why do it with the gays or lesbians?
The irony is that the way it is done should actually be pissing off the gay and lesbians because it is exploitative more than anything else. I don't need to see people fucking gay or straight in a movie to know they fuck anymore than I need to see an actor take a shit just to prove he shits like everyone else in the world. A movie only has about 90 to 120 minutes to tell a story, those precious minutes shouldn't be pissed away to placate some militant gay faction that simply thinks cramming their lifestyle down the audiences throat is going to magically result in acceptance. I'm straight so I don't want to see a guy fucking another guy up the ass anymore than some gay dude wants to see a man fucking a big breasted woman. If I want to see porn it's just a click away.
Don’t act like men don’t absolutely love watching two attractive women make out.
shareNo offence but if you think the majority of gay people want to see explicit gay sex to promote acceptance I think you might be on the wrong track.
Also, I don’t know what movies you’re watching but if you look at those films I mentioned there were no gay sex scenes in those three films at all. The most was a girl on girl kiss in Prom which you’d have to be pretty uptight to be offended by honestly. In fact I can’t remember the last film saw which had any gay sex scenes... Brokeback Mountain maybe?? When was that.. 2005?
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but I’m still not convinced this is a problem at all and I suspect people are just really saying they don’t like gay people and don’t want to see them in movies in any way. I wonder why people can’t just be honest about that?
Your reading skills are very good are they. I said said the "militant gay faction" which is by no means the majority of gays and lesbians in this country. It is a small slice of that group that thinks being in your face and gay is somehow going to get people to accept them. I have no gay or lesbian friends that think like that and most are have very strong negative feeling about that group. But they do exist and you often see them in the gay pride parades.
As for the movies you mentioned, you can swap out fucking with kissing, making out or whatever you want... the point was simply that there is rarely any reason for it in movies because it usually has nothing to do with movie.
“Your reading skills are very good are they.”
Thank you, I think so! 😉
I’m not here to fight I’m just sick of the general negative attitude towards anyone who’s different to the norm on this site. I’m sure your “gay friends” would feel the same way if they read a lot of the nasty shit and generalisations I see here on a daily basis.
Well then maybe you should direct your ire at the people forcing gay propaganda down our throats, into our media entertainment, all over our comic books, and even in our video games?
Did it never occur to you that an absolutely infinitesimal amount of fetishes appearing everywhere in mainstream culture and forced onto normal people can become sickening and tiring?
Gays make up 1.4% of the population yet account for 67% of all STDs in the nation, have higher depression rates, higher domestic abuse rates per capita, and higher suicide rates, yet they're constantly forced on us for "representation purposes". That's asinine.
Do we also need to see BDSM fetishes, golden shower fetishes, furry fetishes, and other fringe sexual deviancy appear in mainstream media, too?
That's not what a Mary Sue is.
ugh, not this double standard BS Mary Sue thing again *eyeroll*
And who are you talking about the hero?
"She is apparently smarter, more cunning, and able to overwhelm anyone who crosses her"
so like every movie hero ever?
I will somewhat grant you that. John Rambo doing what he did in Rambo III was unrealistic as hell, **but** Rambo III has a 5.8 on IMDB, so viewers at least acknowledge the ridiculousness of it. I am nor arguing that women can't be formidable opponents. Any guy cleaned out in a divorce (e.g. Tiger Woods, Johnny Carson) cab attest to that. However, a menopausal white woman that has probably never been in a fight in her life going all Jason Bourne on hardened Russian mafiosos? Give me a fucking break. George R.R. Martin could write strong and dangerous women. Cersei Lannister, Oleanna Tyrell, and Arya Stark (seasons 1-6) were formidable female characters. Oleanna and Cersei were politically formidable. Arya was physically formidable, but she had extensive training, first from Syrio Forel, then from Sandor "the Hound" Clegane, and then finally from "the Faceless Men". She coiuld kill, because she had been training her whole life to do it. However, Rosamnund Pike's character in this movie had zero training, yet she was able to go all Jason Bourne on hardened members of the russian mob? Give me a fucking break. I am a cinephile and able to engage in a little disconnect to enjoy a moive, but that was so much of a stretch, it pulled me out of it.
So, stop trying to sell me this Rambo III garbage as the politically and psychologically poignant character study that was First Blood.
And what do you think of the million straight male fantasy movies?
shareThe better question is why make so many movies with lesbians when they are such a small sliver of the population. I can see why they make straight movies, if the vast majority of your audience is straight then they are going to be more likely to see the straight fantasy movies than the gay fantasy movies.
shareThat’s not a very strong argument. You could just as easily ask why they make so many serial killer movies when they are an even smaller percentage of the population than lesbians? Because some people enjoy watching them. If you don’t the answer is simple. Don’t watch.
shareIt's a perfect argument. If we were in Iran would you think there was a big market for films about Jews? Of course not. Your serial killer exam doesn't even make sense as a serial killer can be anyone gay, straight, could be anyone so why wouldn't it be of interest to anyone?
shareOk man, whatever you say. At the end of the day you’re the one getting pissed off over gays in movies, not me. Enjoy your bitterness 🙂
shareSo many? Can you name more than 5 off the top of your head?
shareYep, many more than that... and I doubt anyone other than their friends even now what their sexual preference is as the aren't out trying to display it like the gay pride idiots.
shareJust say you hate the LGBTQ community and stop beating around the bush.
shareIf I hate someone I'll gladly say it. I don't hate any of the people covered by the acronym. I do feel pity for the Transgenders because with them it isn't a matter of choice it is a mental illness no different than if someone popped up and said they were a horse and not a human. You are what you are, and you can't pretend otherwise. A gay man likes dick, so what. He doesn't deny he is a man anymore than a straight man that likes pussy does. Same with women straight or lesbian they aren't trying to pretend they aren't women they just have a different preference. But a tranny is delusional, as soon as they start blabbering that they are a man trapped in a woman's body or a woman trapped in a man's body they need to be treated for mental illness. There is a reason the suicide rate for transgenders is so high even if they have had surgery to try and make their fantasy more real. But I'm sure you are one of those heartless enablers that wants to pretend they are suffering from a mental illness and just need tolerance.. which is as logical as taking a man that thinks he's a fish and dropping in him the ocean instead of putting him in a psych ward.
shareMiss me with your transphobic shit.
shareYou just showed your ignorance, "phobic" means fear. I'm no more afraid of a tranny than I and anyone else. But now we know. You are one of those ignorant intolerant liberal cunts that runs around calling everyone that has a different opinion homophobic or racist. You've been outed you intolerant cunt.
sharePhobic means fear OR aversion and you do seem to be averted to transsexuals.
sharean extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.
Unless someone sees a tranny and shrieks in fear and cowers they don't have an extreme or irrational fear... an extreme aversion would be doing all you could to avoid being around them, like seeing them in a grocery store so then deciding you weren't going to go buy your groceries until later.
With the exception of some hardcore Jesus freaks I don't think you're going to find anyone that is really transphobic.
Just trying to understand your comment. Are you saying that most people don't know what others' sexual preference is?
shareI'm say most people assume people the know are straight... which makes sense as the majority of people are straight. So if people assume people they know are straight, then they will probably keep thinking that unless the gay person tells them otherwise.
shareHave there not been any people that you've just met but know automatically that they aren't straight?
shareHow TF would anyone know that when the only way anyone would know is if they were tuned into that person's sexual proclivities.
Sexual orientation is based on your sexual romances, which SHOULD be private unless apropos to a conversation.
People are absolutely bizarre these days wanting everyone and anyone to know about their private fetishes.
First of all homosexuality isn't a fetish. Secondly, sexual orientation is a lot more than just your romances, and it's not a choice. Thirdly, I didn't say that it should be public, nor did I say that anyone has to know anything unless someone is willing to open up about it.
What I did say is that I don't automatically think, or assume that everyone is straight when I meet them. In fact I have met people and known that they weren't and then had it confirmed when they came out to me.
First of all homosexuality isn't a fetish.
Secondly, sexual orientation is a lot more than just your romances, and it's not a choice.
What I did say is that I don't automatically think, or assume that everyone is straight when I meet them. In fact I have met people and known that they weren't and then had it confirmed when they came out to me.
Oh, you just had to go the insult route. Good luck.
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How is it a man hating movie where two main women are portrayed as ruthless bitches that die at the end?
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