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Why did Garbiel Byrne (spoiler) instead of Toni Collette?


Why did he spontaneously combust, I mean? When Ellen first tries to burn Charlie's sketch book her arm catches on fire. The second time, she hands the book to the husband, but instead of throwing it in the fire he hands it back to her and she throws it in the fire herself. This book was her "pact" so to speak, so if anyone was breaking the (unwitting) "bargain" by attempting to burn the book it was her. Was it because she handed the book off to him and he touched it which marked him to be burned? Or was it dealer's choice (i.e. Paimon's) which one of the pair to punish for trying to terminate the "contract"? Perhaps because Paimon still needed her head and also needed to get the husband out of the way? The 1976 horror film "To the Devil A Daughter" starring Christopher Lee, Richard Widmark, and Nastasja Kinski had a similar scene in which an innocent bystander was engulfed in flames after touching someone else's "pact". Not being a student of the occult myself I am a bit confused by both scenes.

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I was wondering the same thing. I think in the end, dealer's choice was exactly it though. The husband was the most dangerous person in the house to Paimon.

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Actually this part stuck out to me as well. I actually found it a little bit out of place. We had a pretty good story that was even handed. And then we have a blatant over show of power from the demon, who, as far as I can tell should have had no power over the husband. There is always the possibility I missed something, but to me this came across as bad writing, killing the uneasy feel of the movie. Eventually the movie would need to break that feeling to give us the actual action, but this just failed to pull it off.

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Mostly agree. It was a cool effect, but kinds of falls apart when you look at it. Paimon acted in the margins, and that was like pulling out a 44 magnum in a church. If the dad was so dangerous to their schemes, and the other (minor) worshippers so enthralled, then they could have killed him at any time, made him disappear, etc. I mean, they were watching the family home at all times.

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Exactly, if the worshipers had caused the dad to have an "accident" it would have made the story flow better, and would have also added to the uneasy feeling as we now have a dysfunctional family with a clearly unstable mother, and the only calming influence (the father) was now out of the picture.

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There is no pact. The book meant absolutely nothing. It was just a sketchbook with no connection to Annie or Charlie or the demon. Remember Joan speaking to her grandson Loius? She said you need a personal item to evoke the spirit. She used the chalkboard that allegedly belonged to Louis. Only she just bought the chalkboard when Annie met her in the parking lot of the shop. You can see the packaging in Joans trunk. She tricked Annie into evoking Paimon. The spell doesn't evoke the spirit of a loved one so there is no need for a personal item. Paimon used the sketchbook to torment Annie so he can possess her.

The book Annie read about Paimon said he was a "god of mischief". It also said he can only take over a vulnerable host. He tries possesing Peter in the classroom but fails because he is not broken down enough. You can see Paimons presence by looking at the moving light. He also knocks the paint bottle down to make Annie look at Joans number.

Anyways, the demon had to break Peter before he could take over his body. Same applies to him taking over Annie. He basically fucked with Annie by showing her the (non-existent) link between her and the book which turned out to be a bait and switch. Watching her husband burn to death broke Annie. You can see her expression change at the end of the scene when Paimon takes over.

Afterwards the next target is Peter. Paimon and the cult members never had any intention to kill Peter. They had to weaken him to the point where he becomes vulnerable to possession.



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Perfect explanation!

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That was perfect! Why just the one post?!

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lol he started and ended strong. XD

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It might have been Paimon himself.
Creepy.

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Go out on a high note!

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What I thought, is that once I figured it out that it was going to be a cult movie, is that this was the demon Paimon's link to the family. Since earlier in the movie it said that the demon was only partially inside the girl; the Grandma said she always wanted her to be a boy. So in that way I thought the "ceremony, or process of which he could come to the world was incomplete. Maybe that the girl was dead and he was now going into the boy he was getting stronger, and someone told me that the demon Paimon can kind of control the elements: earth, water, air, and fire. So I think it was the demon just maybe playing around or making Ellen think she was going crazy like where I thought the movie was going to go based on the title.

I don't know how to type it out what I am meaning. Ultimately this is one of my favorite movies.

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I think I read or watched something that said that Paimon killed the husband instead of Annie because the husband was insignificant to the demon and its goals, as he's just her husband, not a part of her family lineage or whatever.

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