My issue with LOTR


I’m a pretty big fantasy fan and unlike many people on here I really enjoyed the trailer that was released during the Super Bowl. But I have an issue with LOTR; Amazon’s and even Peter Jackson’s. I feel like there isn’t a big enough physical distinction between men and elves in the films; they look too much alike. I still remember the first time I watched Lord of the Rings and was thinking that everyone looked the same when in fact we had men, elves, dwarves, and hobbits. All these different races shouldn’t look so much alike. The dwarves I’m ok with. Even the hobbits. But men and elves look too similar. Shouldn’t elves look more.. elvish? IMO they should have more exaggerated features: like bigger eyes, longer chins and much longer earlobes. Has anyone ever seen the LOTR 70’s animated films? Something like that. Otherwise I feel like the films have all these people walking around claiming to be different races but they actually look too similar. What do y’all think?

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I don't think it's about physical distinctions. After all, both species are a part of the same Song.
But they should move and talk differently. I think Lee Pace came close to that in he Hobbit movies. His Tranduil was very inhuman.

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Agreed, but don't forget to credit Luke Goss. Lee Pace's Thranduil seemed inspired in Luke Goss' Prince Nuada in Hellboy II.

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Fucking A. 2 greatest elves in movie history

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PJ did a decent job showing the majesty of the High Elves like Galadriel and the royal Elves like Elrond, Thranduil, Celebron, and Thranduil. There's a certain elegance that contrasts well with Men and they are not fast to be emotional even though Legolas lost his shit when arguing with Aragorn at Helm's Deep.

I do wish though that PJ put more effort with Evil Men and not just Goth them up like he did with Wormtongue and his Dunlending brethren. The Mouth of Sauron was a joke and I'm glad he cut his version out of the theatrical release.

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Didn't the elves have beards in that? I remember they went to Rivendell where the elves did that musical number and I swear one had a goatee.

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I was pretty young when I saw the Jackson trilogy, and I had no problem distinguishing the humans and elves. The movies did a good job at making the elves stand out.

You’re the first person I’ve seen to make that complaint.

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I disagree. Even the idea that elves have pointed ears is something we only get from artists and film makers today. Tolkien never once, in all his writings, mentions elves having them. And Tolkien did write that the children of elves and men were easily mistaken for each other (which one might say rules out pointed ears, as that's a rather noticeable difference that should prevent the children of elves and men from being mistaken for each other).

Elves and men are both the children of Iluvatar, and (given Tolkien's strong Catholic faith, which quite definitely informed his writing) means that both were made in Iluvatar's image, so I would say they were absolutely meant to look more alike than they were different -- in his writing, Tolkien distinguishes elves and men by their eyes and their voices.

Finally, elves and men are attractive to each other (at least the most beautiful ones are). Thus Beren falls in love with Lúthien at first sight, and so too does Aragorn with Arwen. Tuor and Idril fall in love and marry (leading to Elros and Elrond), and Finduilas fell in love with Túrin Turambar (though he did not return her love) -- and in fact Túrin was called (among other things) Adanedhel (Man-Elf) because he was so like an elf in all ways, including appearance.

You seem to have something like Skyrim elves in mind, but Tolkien's elves aren't supposed to look like that. And I would argue that the rather (to human eyes) freakish features such as you describe would explicitly undermine one of the central facts about Tolkien's elves: that they are supposed to be angelically beautiful beings. To be that, they would have to conform to human canons of beauty, and the exaggerated features you would give them would mean they did not.

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Even the idea that elves have pointed ears is something we only get from artists and film makers today. Tolkien never once, in all his writings, mentions elves having them.

Tolkien did mention they had "leaf-shaped" ears, and that hobbit ears were "not as pointy" as elf ears.

And Tolkien did write that the children of elves and men were easily mistaken for each other (which one might say rules out pointed ears, as that's a rather noticeable difference that should prevent the children of elves and men from being mistaken for each other).

Not at all. Children have not yet developed mature features, which is why boys and girls can be mistaken for one another more readily than men and women can. You'd also be hard pressed to positively identify a race of cats or dogs by their infant looks.

Speaking of cats: cats have very pointy ears - but not at birth. Some kittens have hints of pointy ears, and others may have perfectly rounded ears - which will grow long and pointy as the kitten matures.

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