How woke is this?
Just wondering
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About 5/10.
Itβs there, but it doesnβt quite get to the level of rampant racism and women hatred that full woke has.
wokeness is anti racist by definition
shareWokeness is racist by its action. Its definition is meaningless propaganda.
Itβs supported by white and black supremacists alike
You are confused lol
"wokeness" is about being politically correct - correct as in proper/appropriate/factual
It is about being anti racist. Calling out racism is not racism and that is the weakest argument I have ever seen.
Wokeness is not supported by any supremacist because it about equality
That was entertaining though
Lol you are either a white supremacist or a fool. Anti-Asian attacks, extracting funding from minority communities, 1950s racial segregation, I could go on.
Itβs textbook racism, and youβre an overt racist for defending it.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the term woke.
shareLOL. The troll is strong with this one.
shareI see that lol
I ain't feeding him any longer
LOL I was talking about you, bro.
I assume you don't actually believe all that shit you said.
Well I guess that should not be surprising....I have noticed trolls love to jump on every movie on this site that is not just about straight white males and spew nonsense of things they know nothing about. I have said nothing that is false.
I generally do not bother engaging....I am here to discuss movies, not deal with idiots, incels, homophobes and/or racists.
Fair enough. I can understand wanting to talk movies on a movie site, not politics.
Politics and movies is a huge part of the problem anyway.
Enjoy your discussions.
I think you are the one who is confused, gullible, and very susceptible to propaganda.
The KKK can claim it's about Christianity, but just like wokeness, it's actions show that it's actually about segregation.
shareYouβre just wondering how alert to social injustice an Eddie Murphy movie is???
Maybe youβre worried about the wrong things.
The only accepted prejudice right now is prejudice against white people.
shareDude, I am white, but even I would say to you that's some premium bullshit you are sporting here. Don't be a victim.
shareIt's just a simple fact that can be backed up by tons of evidence.
Just ask yourself this: Why is it that a black person can go on TV or Twitter or wherever else and say some objectively racist shit about white people and get away with it, but if a white person were to say precisely the same thing about black people then it would be decried as racism and the person would be summarily condemned, harassed and probably fired from whatever job they have?
It's because, like I said, it's regarded as socially acceptable right now to say racist shit about white people. The opposite is not acceptable.
And if you think this isn't happening, you're just not paying attention. It happens all the time.
Because racism is based on oppression. What can a black tv person say that represents white oppression? You see, the problem with too many white folks is that they confuse racism with stereotypes. Can a black person say offensive stereotypical things about white people and be called out for that? Of course! But does that make him a racists? Not if you check where the black man and the white man are coming from culturally. Yes, the black person might "feel" superior to the white person, but historically speaking they never had the upper hand.
So yes, before you write "that means a black person can never be racist" like I am an idiot you doesn't get the concept: yes, that's exactly how the concept works. This is not "woke" or "unfair" or whatever. It is historically and culturally proven.
Does that mean that all whites are racists when using black stereotypes? No! I'd dispute that as well. However, it is interesting to observe how many racists would love this opportunity to use a stereotype as a scapegoat for their racism, when in reality they are just that: racist.
Oh, I see. So then you stand with those who have re-defined the word racism to mean something other than what it has always meant historically.
Out of curiosity, are you also interested in handing over your money for reparations?
What do you mean by "redefined"? Please educated yourself before further embarrassment.
What you called "objective racist shit about white people" will be heavily disputed by any person of unbiased intellect. While a white person from a disproportionally black neighborhood might feel threatened by the oppressive nature of colored domination, you have to realize that most - if not all - of this domination is explained by factors other than race. Do you see pockets of black or Mexican dominated areas in America that can not be explained by generational demographic changes or organized crimes? The first is of course the natural development of freeing the slaves and settlement of their children in certain areas. The latter can be described by many more factors, most of which come down to, well, criminal activities. Are you suggesting that black crimes are the same as institutional racism? Are you suggesting a white person is oppressed by a black criminal because the colored man is of a different race, or is the more logical reasoning that the white man is oppressed because the black man is a criminal? I tend to believe the second explanation. You see, to experience racism, the oppressed party needs to be in a constant disadvantage because of their own race.
Do you really believe that there are vast areas, or even just pockets, of black dominance in the US to warrant the constant inferiority of white lives? And don't give me that "affirmative action" shit that is supposed to help people of color, but is constantly used by racists to cry over how "bad the white man has it".
So, if you want to appear like a reasonable person and quote racism as "what it has always meant historically" then go back to what it actually meant historically: the views of the white race as superior to other races. I am speaking of course about the US situation, knowing fairly well that there are racist tendencies between various Asian groups and even amongst blacks in Africa.
A quick Google search yields this definition of "racist":
"prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized"
I'd say this is a "classical" definition, and in fact the true definition. Note that it says "typically" one that is a minority or marginalized and not "necessarily." Really, the first part of the definition is the key part: prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group. Any member of any racial group can express this toward any other member of any other racial group.
The way it's been redefined by certain radical elements--and it sounds like you have bought into it--is some nonsense about "prejudice + power." That is, if you are not in a position of power then you can't be racist. This is self-evident nonsense.
This kind of thinking also leads to rants like this:
https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/yes-all-white-people-are-racist-eefa97cc5605
But in the backwards land known as the 21st century, when someone goes on such a rant, they aren't told to STFU as they should be. Instead, they are brought on cable news to expound on their ideas and are given book deals and their ideas are put into schools just so little white boy Johnny will know how awful he is.
Of course, I don't agree that ALL white people are racists. But you are quite bold to come here and give a definition of racism, only to ignore a vital part of that definition to fit your own agenda.
Ignoring the "typically" part is just as laughable as ignoring the "prejudice + power" part you make later. Conservatives always wanna get technical and cling to semantics, word definitions and their version of looking at things. Just like racists. But who am I to call all conservatives racists. I wouldn't dream about that.
Just stop playing the victim! Dare I say you have no idea what systemic racism has done and continues to to to blacks, latinos and just recently as this week, asian people.
If I was ignoring it I wouldn't have posted it and then said: Note that it says 'typically' one that is a minority or marginalized and not 'necessarily.'
So in fact I addressed it directly. Typically means typically; it does not mean necessarily. That is, it does not mean "in all cases." You said earlier, "Please educate yourself before further embarrassment." I will now pass that advice on to you due to either your inability or unwillingness to decipher even a basic text like that definition.
It's funny you say "just stop playing the victim!" Why don't you direct that line of thinking toward the great many black people today who love to do exactly that? That seems like it would be a better use of your time.
You said earlier that you are white. If that's the case, I have to say you are feeling like a lost cause, but I hope that's not true. I will encourage you to wake up before you yourself get consumed in the midst of all your virtue signaling by the very movement that you're trying to stand up for.
P.S. You said, "Dare I say you have no idea what systemic racism has done and continues to to to blacks, latinos and just recently as this week, asian people." In regard to Asian people, first, even if the attack were race-related, I'd like to know how it is "systemic" in any way, rather than some lone asshole being an asshole. Second, you are PRESUMING that the attack was somehow race-related. In fact, the chief of police today announced that no such motive had been uncovered. Instead, the guy was apparently a sex addict and was lashing out against people he deemed to be in that profession. Like I said man, wake-up. Not everything is racist.
Apart from the fact that you could ask ANY Asian American today if they feel victimized by racism and 9 out of 10 would most likely agree, you wouldn't count that as evidence anyway. You'd probably point to the next 10 white people and dare me to ask them the same question.
I don't need your condescending tone to explain racism to me, when every answer you have given so far is nothing but justification to victimize the white people who in your mind are equally disadvantaged as any other group.
To quote someone way more intelligent than me: "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." -Franklin Leonard
Last I heard, Asians are "assimilated white" and not really looked at as minorities by other minorities who are "truly oppressed."
Anyway, you do your thing man. If you truly think you're a vile colonizer who is systemically oppressing all minorities by sheer virtue of being alive and white, then act accordingly I guess.
Out of curiosity, are you also interested in handing over your money for reparations?
Typicall alt right extremist phrase being trotted out there
You claim anyone sympathetic to other colors , or making any move against systemic racism is "white guilt" and we should hand our savings over to black people
No, not that you SHOULD hand it over. Only that there are already parties demanding that this happen, and it's clear that our government is closer than it's ever been to using your tax dollars for this purpose.
shareBecause racism is based on oppression. What can a black tv person say that represents white oppression?
Bang on . Nail on head.
well said
All these white supremicist fucks use the "black man say things about us " whinge as an excuse to keep racisim and oppression alive.
The same fuckwits that go around saying things like "fuck the black lives matter movement - ALL lives matter "
, totally missing the point (probably deliberately) that the message is that black lives are being treated worse than white ones.
Because racism is based on oppression. What can a black tv person say that represents white oppression?
But black people aren't oppressed anymore. share
On a scale from 1 to Shaun White I'd say it's a Rachel Dolezal.
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